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[77T]

Take a closer look at the article I posted. Only 4 cars were scrutinized for this particular technical point.

When I posted Sunday that all other cars had passed, it was meant for their particular tech list - not the plank per se.

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

Take a closer look at the article I posted. Only 4 cars were scrutinized for this particular technical point.

When I posted Sunday that all other cars had passed, it was meant for their particular tech list - not the plank per se.

Ach, now I see; sorry for the misunderstanding.

Based on this, I would partially revoke my previous opinion. However I still do not feel all right. After all, if this measurement is not checked on the other cars, it is more then possible that many did not meet the expectations and many should have been disqualified.

I think if such a measurements is so important that even a few tenths of a millimeter matters, then it should have been checked on all the cars that scored points. And after all, if we should assume that the cars within the teams behave in the same way, then at least the teammate's car should have been checked in a case which could led to a DQ. But to disqulify only the inspected ones, when we know that 50% of these did not meet the expectations, does not seem like a good decision mechanism to me. Because I think that if we believe that this is such an important check, then under these circumstances, I think that every car that scored points should have been checked and every non-compliant car should have been excluded in order to create a suitable final result. For example that would have been fair in my view.

So I still feel that what happened was not good, even though everyone acted perfectly and according to the rules. So I don't blame anyone at all. However, this is precisely why I think it would be worthwhile to consider changing some of the rules or the way of checking.

[77T]

The article explained why taking the Top 10 cars and doing every compliance check on every one of them is virtually impossible for a series.

It did a good job in brief:
“That’s because there simply isn’t enough time to carry out the same set of checks on each car before their [sic] packed away and freighted to the next race. But the random nature of the checks is hoped to be enough of a threat to stop any team from seeking to deliberately contravene the rules.”

Things aren’t perfect in any racing series - but they get along fairly well until the Artificial Intelligence software is loaded into robots with X-ray sensors.


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[enjoythemusic]

New weight bridge with six lasers scanning should suffice :)

[SDGT3]

Plank violations are extremely rare. The last time this happened was at Monza when Grosjean was DQed in 2018. Before that it was Schumacher in Spa in 1994 after a race win.

Although anecdotal, the photo I posted in #5668 is pretty clear that Max's Red Bull was running significantly higher ride height as compared to Lewis and Charles.

The fact it was a sprint weekend with only 1 practice session and the teams could not dial in their cars (as evidenced by Alonso going back to an old spec car) coupled with the fact the track was extremely bumpy, lends itself to the distinct possibility that these 2 factors contributed to both planks being worn beyond the acceptable thickness.

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

The article explained why taking the Top 10 cars and doing every compliance check on every one of them is virtually impossible for a series.

I read it, I understand it, but in this case I strongly disagree with this argument. If a mass violation is suspected, it should be possible to check all the cars. Of course, this is not necessary in the case of a time penalty or a fine, but if something can only be punished by disqualification, then I think it is not an appropriate solution to disqualify a few unfortunate drivers from the race and let the rest go unpunished. I don't think it's good if one pilot can't keep his hard earned points while the other gets even more instead of being disqualified for the same non-compliance. I think this is also a kind of unfair advantage.

That's why I don't think this was fair, but let it be my problem

[JP.]

I almost forgot that Hakkinen and Mansell were briefly teammates.

I miss drivers like them. Mika was the only one giving Schumacher a run for his money and Mansell was a spectacular driver at times. Nigel should have at least three WDC's.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by JP.

I almost forgot that Hakkinen and Mansell were briefly teammates.

I miss drivers like them. Mika was the only one giving Schumacher a run for his money and Mansell was a spectacular driver at times. Nigel should have at least three WDC's.

Really liked Mansell..and was a good racer..
Met him twice, once at the British GP and once here in Vancouver for the CART Indy Race.. Signed his booked both times.
Pretty cool.

[JP.]

What was the best ever F1 season?

Unfortunately I don't remember 1985 but that year SEVEN (yes seven) past or future World Champions took part in the races.

Niki Lauda
Alain Prost
Keke Rosberg
Ayrton Senna
Alan Jones
Nelson Piquet
Nigel Mansell

How about 1991?

Past of future champions:

Mika Hakkinen
Michael Schumacher
Ayrton Senna
Nelson Piquet
Nigel Mansell
Alain Prost

and spectacular Jean Alesi who didn't win much but was so exciting to watch. (Biased as he was one of my personal favorites).

Year 2012 was pretty remarkable too. There were six World Champions. And 7 consecutive races won by a different driver.

Kimi Raikkonen
Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Michael Schumacher
Jenson Button

Did some other year surpass these in overall class and excitement? Well 1986 was the craziest turbo year but Lauda wasn't around anymore. Only six champions that year plus top drivers like Berger, Alboreto, De Angelis, Patrese

Opinions?

[SDGT3]

I thought the 2021 season was pretty spectacular. Reigning 7 time champion going for a record breaking 8th against a young 23 year old phenom in a car nearly as good as the almighty Merc. Points lead swings back and forth throughout the season and the championship literally comes down to the last lap or the last race of the season. Hard to beat that.

[enjoythemusic]

The good ol' days of F1 is long in their rearview mirror imho. On the big plus side, today's Sports Entertainment Formula 1 series is far more profitable for virtually all involved.

[joeychitwood]

I watched my first F1 race in the late 1960s. For as popular as F1 is now in 2023, I don’t think I’ve ever been less interested in the series. Boring new tracks resembling video game layouts, never-ending race-changing penalties and fines, and a field of only three or four competitive drivers among the 20 make for uninteresting races, many of which end with the winner unknown until the series officials issue their penalties. I didn’t even watch the last race in Texas. I just don’t care much anymore.

[JP.]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I watched my first F1 race in the late 1960s. For as popular as F1 is now in 2023, I don’t think I’ve ever been less interested in the series. Boring new tracks resembling video game layouts, never-ending race-changing penalties and fines, and a field of only three or four competitive drivers among the 20 make for uninteresting races, many of which end with the winner unknown until the series officials issue their penalties. I didn’t even watch the last race in Texas. I just don’t care much anymore.

Yep. I almost fell asleep when I watched the COTA race last Sunday. It's sterile and the drivers aren't very interesting anymore.

But hey, if someone enjoys it... nothing to take away from them.

[joli160]

2021 was the most exciting season of the decade imho.
The decision who was going to be the champ left to the last round of the last race with all the drama before. Really entertaining

[JP.]

It's not new vs. old thing completely. It was just as boring around 2002-2004 when Schumacher won almost all races alone. That Ferrari was just so superior and of course Schumi too.

Then Alonso and Kimi got their sh*t together and it was interesting again.

At least we'd need some kind of new Prost vs. Senna in the top teams. Like Nico vs. Lewis. That was interesting. Now it's just one driver and one car. Kills the excitement.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by JP.

It's not new vs. old thing completely. It was just as boring around 2002-2004 when Schumacher won almost all races alone. That Ferrari was just so superior and of course Schumi too.

Then Alonso and Kimi got their sh*t together and it was interesting again.

At least we'd need some kind of new Prost vs. Senna in the top teams. Like Nico vs. Lewis. That was interesting. Now it's just one driver and one car. Kills the excitement.

Kimi was in a very quick McLaren, but the car was very fragile resulting in mulitple DNFs.

I'm a big fan of Alonso, but the rules were changed for 2005 in order to stop Schumacher/Ferrari with the 1 tire per GP rule. In 2006, it was much more competitive and had it not been for the blown engine in Suzuka, MS would have won his 8th in 2006. That said, besides 2021, 2006 was a good season as well.

[JP.]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Kimi was in a very quick McLaren, but the car was very fragile resulting in mulitple DNFs.

Very true. Kimi was insanely fast in his McLaren years. Ron Dennis said that he was the fastest driver he ever saw. And that man had Senna and Prost in his team. Maybe it was exaggerating but Kimi really did some crazy laps... and definitely should have own at least 1 WDC with McLaren. Maybe even two. But the car reliability was garbage as you said.

He was never the same driver again at Ferrari. Only occasional signs of brilliance (despite winning the WDC there). I think his Lotus seasons were amazing. Maybe they built the car properly only for him?

Alonso is bit of a whiner but he's one hell of a driver. I think he could still make amazing results in a good car.

[enjoythemusic]

Mexico fans are awesome! Looks to be a great weekend for racing entertainment.

PS: Kimi and McLaren, ugh, prefer not to remember that. He was blisteringly fast tho. So, when is F1 going to have Kimi as a commentator? C'mon, the alternative commentary 'channel' with Kimi would be epic!

[INC]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

So, when is F1 going to have Kimi as a commentator? C'mon, the alternative commentary 'channel' with Kimi would be epic!

[enjoythemusic]

^^^ exactly!

While the current races are usually pretty boring, Kimi would add some flair and fun to the commentation. C'mon, the F1 Live channel REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY needs to hire Kimi as a commentator for a few races.

But hey, to be fair F1 marketing entertainment and profit center is on full-churn-n-burn mode, they're making bank. The kids don't know any different as video games have reset and whatnot. Liberty Mafdia is doing a splendid job at maximizing profits.

[77T]

Ferrari front row!

ALB maybe screwed

Penalties may send others further down the grid…


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by 77T

Ferrari front row!

ALB maybe screwed

Penalties may send others further down the grid…


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Haven't seen that in a dogs year..and then some...

[77T]

Lots of work ahead tonight for the Stewards.


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[77T]

While awaiting the outcomes of the hearings, I thought back to last weekends plank discussions. Upon reflection, and judging from some questions about why the Technical Delegate doesn’t check all cars post-race, I thought a little taste may help folks understand how much checking goes on before the race but after qualifying.

For your reading pleasure.







All of that and more each weekend to stay compliant.

I’m not a Technical Delegate so you can refer to the F1 Tech Regs if you have any questions.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...2023-08-31.pdf


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[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

Upon reflection, and judging from some questions about why the Technical Delegate doesn’t check all cars post-race, I thought a little taste may help folks understand how much checking goes on before the race but after qualifying.

Since it seems to me that I wasn't clear, I'll try another way to say what my problem was with last week's decisions.

First, I am not a professional in this sport, I am a layman, an outsider. Accordingly, what I tell is nothing more or less what an average viewer may understand, sees, hears or thinks. And in my opinion, to take this view in account is an impartant part of any business. From this point of view, I think the fact that this huge amount of work going on in the background is not communicated at all to the fans is in my opinion, a huge failure. Despite this, I wish to state again, that I didn't criticize TD at all. Mostly, I definitely didn't say that they didn't do something because of laziness.

Secondly, I pointed out that it is not the same if there are proportional penalty options or if only disqualification can be ordered. Therefore I still think, that even if the only legally possible decision was made, it does not mean that the rule in itself is a necessary and proportional one for all cases. So in my opinion, it does not follow that the rule should remain as it is, but rather that it is worth to change it, and let the decision makers giving the opportunity to make a proportional decision for the future.

And finally, I believe that if the possibility of a mass violation really arises, it should be possible to inspect all the cars affected by it. NOT always, but always if a case like this may happened. If the rules does not allow to do this, then my opinion will remain the same as above, then the rules has to be changed.

But all of the aboves has nothing to do with the clear and solid fact, that I did not blamed at all any decision makers or technical staff member who was involved in this case.

[JP.]

Originally Posted by INC

Haha... this was cool too.

[enjoythemusic]

We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi...

...for F1 Live commentator. Make it happen Paul. You have your Marching Orders :)

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi
We Want Kimi...

...for F1 Live commentator. Make it happen Paul. You have your Marching Orders :)

Yes!! Never afraid to call it like he sees it!

[enjoythemusic]

Let the entertainment begin!

Bwaaaa hahahahahah, Liberty Mafdia blocks embedding. click link

https://www.youtube.com/live/YCwDhzqU_A4

[77T]

LEC will need a Security cordon to leave Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez unscathed.

Maybe hail an Uber Helicopter?


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