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VeryDeep · 12 January 2010, 05:12 AM

I personally feel more comfortable that it's not an exact science. When it's tight, it's tight and the idea of lining up a triplock screw thread, such as it's always in alignment seems somewhat ridiculous to me. If you're fussy about it, (don't) take pliers to it and force it. I'm not an engineer, but I think such alignment is not a feasible goal.

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brady

I do not know much about the innards of a Rolex so I won't pretend to. I do have a question though. If they make a tube, can they not mark it so that the person or device that fits it in lines it up right? It seems like if they could consistently put the tube in to line up the threading the same way each time, this would be resolved.

Please educate me.

Mark a tube?

How and with what? Another Logistical Nightmare......impossible to keep a track of.

Remember, we are talking hundreds of thousands of tiny parts, impossible to monitor each and every part and IMPOSSIBLE to match up. The matching is done randomly, only care being taken to match up Twinlock with Twinlock, Triplock with Triplock and ladies models with counterpart ladies models.

JJ

VeryDeep · 12 January 2010, 05:16 AM

Also, individual gasket/seal pressure tolerances play a part. Alignment is not feasible.

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by VeryDeep

Also, individual gasket/seal pressure tolerances play a part. Alignment is not feasible.

Good point!!

JBat · 12 January 2010, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullyterrier

I wonder how much of the Rolex watch is made by human hands now? I bet you will struggle to find it!

As it happens my LV aligns fine, but I also think for the money, (especially now with Rolex moving even its sports watches towards the dress watch look) Rolex would get something like this spot on.
If you bought a car, and the badge on the bonnet (hood for our American cousins) was not central would you be happy? Sure it wouldn't effect its performance and it it is only a minor thing, but would you really not complain?

I probably would, but I guess with a watch, as long as the crown does what it's supposed to, seal properly and all it's other functions, I'm happy. As far as the car analogy goes, I guess I liken it to expecting the logo on the hubcaps to always line up. Kind of unrealistic to me.

I wonder if the crown logo on other watches line up. I have a Seamaster too, but it's in for service, so I can't check.

ParisDakarBmw · 12 January 2010, 05:20 AM

You could file off the crown, and never have to look at it again!

Rollieboy · 12 January 2010, 05:45 AM

I don't think any "marking of tubes" would be needed to achieve perfect line-up of the crown.

The tube and the crown both are machined parts. What obviously is not matched is the position of the machined crown when the coronet symbol is created on the surface. To say that we are "fussy" about such a trivial detail is kind of funny on a forum where details are what makes up all the fun. Obviously Rolex are not interested in creating the coronet symbol on crowns in exact same position. If they were, it could be easily achieved. No need to "match" crowns and tubes. They all match already. Just create the coronet on the crown always the crown in exact same position with regard to threads. Simple as that.

- Rollieboy

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollieboy

I don't think any "marking of tubes" would be needed to achieve perfect line-up of the crown.

The tube and the crown both are machined parts. What obviously is not matched is the position of the machined crown when the coronet symbol is created on the surface. To say that we are "fussy" about such a trivial detail is kind of funny on a forum where details are what makes up all the fun. Obviously Rolex are not interested in creating the coronet symbol on crowns in exact same position. If they were, it could be easily achieved. No need to "match" crowns and tubes. They all match already. Just create the coronet on the crown always the crown in exact same position with regard to threads. Simple as that.

- Rollieboy

Yes, but the threads inside the crown are not going to match up with those on the crown. And that's where the problem arises. The minute the watchmaker screws on the crown, the mis-matched threads are going to send the coronet position on the crown all askew.

JJ

TattooedGQ · 12 January 2010, 05:56 AM

My Mil is @ 12, my DJ is at 6, and the Sub is somewhere in between hahaha

VeryDeep · 12 January 2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollieboy

I don't think any "marking of tubes" would be needed to achieve perfect line-up of the crown.

The tube and the crown both are machined parts. What obviously is not matched is the position of the machined crown when the coronet symbol is created on the surface. To say that we are "fussy" about such a trivial detail is kind of funny on a forum where details are what makes up all the fun. Obviously Rolex are not interested in creating the coronet symbol on crowns in exact same position. If they were, it could be easily achieved. No need to "match" crowns and tubes. They all match already. Just create the coronet on the crown always the crown in exact same position with regard to threads. Simple as that.

- Rollieboy

It's not a 'linear' process. Do you have a tenet that takes in a scenario where every coronet can be machined 'post fitment'? As I intimated before, it's an engineering impossibility and in reality, another reason to love your one-of-a-kind timepiece.

VeryDeep · 12 January 2010, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

My Mil is @ 12, my DJ is at 6, and the Sub is somewhere in between hahaha

I rest my case. If everyone's was at 12, I wouldn't want the watch

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VeryDeep

..........it's an engineering impossibility.......

That's what I've been trying to convey in each and every post of mine, but who listens?

snow_rocks · 12 January 2010, 06:06 AM

The whole problem could be resolved if

Rolex would glue the crown onto

the crown, after the crown has

been installed onto the case tube!

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by snow_rocks

The whole problem could be resolved if

Rolex would glue the crown onto

the crown, after the crown has

been installed onto the case tube!

The words "GLUE" and ROLEX in the same sentence is sheer blasphemy.

I think I'll take the crown as it is, beautifully embossed or whatever the hell Rolex do.......

VeryDeep · 12 January 2010, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's what I've been trying to convey in each and every post of mine, but who listens?

Hopefully an engineer will make sense of it JJ. For now, I believe it's not possible. And for me, as a bonus for having an individually engineered watch, it's comforting. Others, albeit I'm a newbie here, see my posts 'passim'' on this.

snow_rocks · 12 January 2010, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

The words "GLUE" and ROLEX in the same sentence is sheer blasphemy.

I think I'll take the crown as it is, beautifully embossed or whatever the hell Rolex do.......

Breathe JJ, Breathe!

Nicko · 12 January 2010, 06:15 AM

here's mine, nice and crooked!

JBat · 12 January 2010, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeryDeep

It's not a 'linear' process. Do you have a tenet that takes in a scenario where every coronet can be machined 'post fitment'? As I intimated before, it's an engineering impossibility and in reality, another reason to love your one-of-a-kind timepiece.

Well said.

JBat · 12 January 2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's what I've been trying to convey in each and every post of mine, but who listens?

Not listen to the ex-CEO of Rolex itself?! Balderdash!

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicko

here's mine, nice and crooked!

Nice crisp and clear picture, Steve!!

ParisDakarBmw · 12 January 2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by snow_rocks

The whole problem could be resolved if

Rolex would glue the crown onto

the crown, after the crown has

been installed onto the case tube!

That was awesome! Even my sarcastic stomach dropped!!

Nicko · 12 January 2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Nice crisp and clear picture, Steve!!

Thanks JJ, nothing like a crooked crown! Funny thing, it doesn't bother me, and I'm pretty anal about the small stuff....

I'm just happy to be able to have a Rolex Crown, crooked or otherwise.

snow_rocks · 12 January 2010, 06:26 AM

I have to disagree about the engineering part. It can be done, and a lot easier than you think.

This is a pic of a pallet fork on a penny. Larry (TOOLS) took the photo for another thread.

Rolex engineers a lot of intricate parts for their watches, and aligning the crown would be one of the easier things to accomplish.

I wonder if Rolex could make a better NATO?!!!

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by snow_rocks

I wonder if Rolex could make a better NATO?!!!

ParisDakarBmw · 12 January 2010, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snow_rocks

I have to disagree about the engineering part. It can be done, and a lot easier than you think.

This is a pic of a pallet fork on a penny. Larry (TOOLS) took the photo for another thread.

Rolex engineers a lot of intricate parts for their watches, and aligning the crown would be one of the easier things to accomplish.

I wonder if Rolex could make a better NATO?!!!

He has a good point JJ

JJ Irani · 12 January 2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

He has a good point JJ

All watch manufacturers make small and intricate parts......otherwise their watches wouldn't work!!

We are talking about thread manufacture and alignment. Pray, tell me, how do you align the threads of 2 separately and randomly manufactured components when it's IMPOSSIBLE to know which component is going to be matched up with which other one?

JJ

Nicko · 12 January 2010, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

All watch manufacturers make small and intricate parts......otherwise their watches wouldn't work!!

We are talking about thread manufacture and alignment. Pray, tell me, how do you align the threads of 2 separately and randomly manufactured components when it's IMPOSSIBLE to know which component is going to be matched up with which other one?

JJ

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He has a good point JJ

No he doesn't...

Thanks JJ...At last a little sanity!

Yeah, I never thought of it, but the parts are totally separate and are put together or fitted at the end of the process and one is not made for the other.

Prince · 12 January 2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's what I've been trying to convey in each and every post of mine, but who listens?

I told you the whole thread was a waste of time! Now, how's the weather, JJ?? In shorts and singlet today??

snow_rocks · 12 January 2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

He has a good point JJ

About the NATO?!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

All watch manufacturers make small and intricate parts......otherwise their watches wouldn't work!!

We are talking about thread manufacture and alignment. Pray, tell me, how do you align the threads of 2 separately and randomly manufactured components when it's IMPOSSIBLE to know which component is going to be matched up with which other one?

JJ

Threading has an end point, on both the male and female pieces.

Alignment of those two points is not an impossibility!

Nicko · 12 January 2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

I told you the whole thread was a waste of time! Now, how's the weather, JJ?? In shorts and singlet today??

12 January 2010, 05:56 AM	#39
TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	My Mil is @ 12, my DJ is at 6, and the Sub is somewhere in between hahaha __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

12 January 2010, 05:12 AM	#31
VeryDeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thailand Watch: Tudor Posts: 61	I personally feel more comfortable that it's not an exact science. When it's tight, it's tight and the idea of lining up a triplock screw thread, such as it's always in alignment seems somewhat ridiculous to me. If you're fussy about it, (don't) take pliers to it and force it. I'm not an engineer, but I think such alignment is not a feasible goal.

12 January 2010, 05:16 AM	#33
VeryDeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thailand Watch: Tudor Posts: 61	Also, individual gasket/seal pressure tolerances play a part. Alignment is not feasible.

12 January 2010, 05:20 AM	#36
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	You could file off the crown, and never have to look at it again!

12 January 2010, 05:45 AM	#37
Rollieboy Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Tero Location: Finland Watch: 16600 Posts: 89	I don't think any "marking of tubes" would be needed to achieve perfect line-up of the crown. The tube and the crown both are machined parts. What obviously is not matched is the position of the machined crown when the coronet symbol is created on the surface. To say that we are "fussy" about such a trivial detail is kind of funny on a forum where details are what makes up all the fun. Obviously Rolex are not interested in creating the coronet symbol on crowns in exact same position. If they were, it could be easily achieved. No need to "match" crowns and tubes. They all match already. Just create the coronet on the crown always the crown in exact same position with regard to threads. Simple as that. - Rollieboy

12 January 2010, 06:06 AM	#43
snow_rocks Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: At what TIME?!!! Watch: the SKY tonite! Posts: 3,225	The whole problem could be resolved if Rolex would glue the crown onto the crown, after the crown has been installed onto the case tube!

12 January 2010, 06:15 AM	#47
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	here's mine, nice and crooked!

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