Will the Old Exp 2 Price Drop When the New One Arrives?

[mgsimmer]

Originally Posted by noriki

i think the price will not go down neither it will go up

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[Kanger]

Not a chance!

[MortgageGuy]

I dont see the price of the Explorer II increasing much if any no matter what movement it has following the Subs/Sub LV/GMT Master II or the like... It has not been as popular of a watch as these other Icons IMO and has not been very good at holding its value to this point so to see this change IMO is unlikely.

That being said I certainly dont see it dropping dramatically but you will not see the increases you have seen in the discontinued Subs/Gmts....


Adam

[Shade]

I think they will be the same or roundabout, there are still plenty in circulation, be it new or pre owned.

[Kanger]

Originally Posted by MortgageGuy

I dont see the price of the Explorer II increasing much if any no matter what movement it has following the Subs/Sub LV/GMT Master II or the like... It has not been as popular of a watch as these other Icons IMO and has not been very good at holding its value to this point so to see this change IMO is unlikely.

That being said I certainly dont see it dropping dramatically but you will not see the increases you have seen in the discontinued Subs/Gmts....


Adam

The value will go up by $1000 easily by this time next year, bet on it. Was the EXP 36 popular? Not really. They are all in the 4s now, and the SELL. We all speculate when the AD down the street has that EXP II in its case, but when it's gone, the price will do nothing but go up. Popularity has nothing to do with anything. When it's gone, people want it, simple as that.

Furthermore, the 42mm case will pose problems with many people whose wrists are too small to pull off the larger size. That said, this is an even larger incentive to go back to the original 16570.

[Ducky]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

I think a fair comparison is what happened to the 36mm Explorer.

Wise words...

[DG123]

Most AD's believe their discontinued model inventory becomes a "collectors item" opnce the new model version becomes available.
For example, last year most AD's did not discount their 36mm Explorer pieces once the new 39mm Explorer arrived.

Originally Posted by dydst

I know it might be foolish to try to forecast Rolex values, but does anyone think that the price of the current Explorer II will drop significantly when the new one arrives?

[MortgageGuy]

Originally Posted by kanger

The value will go up by $1000 easily by this time next year, bet on it. Was the EXP 36 popular? Not really. They are all in the 4s now, and the SELL. We all speculate when the AD down the street has that EXP II in its case, but when it's gone, the price will do nothing but go up. Popularity has nothing to do with anything. When it's gone, people want it, simple as that.

Furthermore, the 42mm case will pose problems with many people whose wrists are too small to pull off the larger size. That said, this is an even larger incentive to go back to the original 16570.

For the last several years EVERY AD I have been in ALWAYS has both white and black dial Explorer II's in there cases and even NOS, I just don't see it happening... Sorry.

I understand your point but in the case of the explorer II I respectively disagree. The prices WILL rise on line after it is discontinued and "not available" but as seen in other models this will pass as there is not a reason I can think of for this model to increase.

Again, I can see seller on line selling at a premium due to the discontinuation perhaps but I believe this will be very short lived and not have the same result as the GMT Pepsi/Coke or Sub LV

[Kanger]

Originally Posted by MortgageGuy

For the last several years EVERY AD I have been in ALWAYS has both white and black dial Explorer II's in there cases and even NOS, I just don't see it happening... Sorry.

I understand your point but in the case of the explorer II I respectively disagree. The prices WILL rise on line after it is discontinued and "not available" but as seen in other models this will pass as there is not a reason I can think of for this model to increase.

Again, I can see seller on line selling at a premium due to the discontinuation perhaps but I believe this will be very short lived and not have the same result as the GMT Pepsi/Coke or Sub LV

I still find bnin Lv and sub in AD today, and bought and sold one two weeks ago. So what does that prove about the fact that exp II are sitting in cases. Exp 36mm still sitting in cases today, but that didn't stop sellers and even myself from unloading them in the 4's.


The popularity theory does not work, and if it did, then the 36 mm exp should be worthless. It has no parachrom, was not popular at all, and deemed to small, yet sells, bEcause particular people dig it.

Not everyone has to be willing to pay a premium, but so long that one person finds the 42 too large, or wishes the old design, that's one more who will pay a premium, especially when wise ADs will be less inclined to discount what they know is a gone model.

[Kanger]

The issue is that YOU will not pay a premium, but sellers post the exp II at higher price anyway, because we all know SOMEONE will buy it. So long the demand is there, and you can call those people suckers all you want, price will rise, bet on it.

[MortgageGuy]

Originally Posted by kanger

The issue is that YOU will not pay a premium, but sellers post the exp II at higher price anyway, because we all know SOMEONE will buy it. So long the demand is there, and you can call those people suckers all you want, price will rise, bet on it.

We shall see... I bought a BNIB Sub Lv and sold it a couple of weeks ago as well Not sure what that proves but I really did. The fact that AD's have discontinued stock until its gone I guess...

Again, I RESPECT your opinion and you may in fact be correct. I agree some will not like the 42mm size of the new model and others will. I think you have DRAMATICALLY underestimated the public's appetite for a 42 mm Rolex, the younger "new" generation of Rolex buyers will love a larger Rolex that does not have the case thickness of the DSSD, this in fact will make it very attractive IMO. TRF'ers will love the current model as well but Joe public buying a Rolex will grab the new model every single time for all the updates that it has, I guarantee it!

[MortgageGuy]

[QUOTE=kanger;2567577]I still find bnin Lv and sub in AD today, and bought and sold one two weeks ago. So what does that prove about the fact that exp II are sitting in cases.


Was it an F serial??? Doubt it... This was my point, several AD's I have been into in the last year or so have several Explorer II's in their cases and they are not new serials... that should tell you something. That being said, I very rarely saw Explorer I in AD cases, perhaps it is just the AD's I have been going to, who knows.

[Kanger]

And I think you DRAMATICALLY underestimate the 8k price tag and the effect that price will have lmfao!!! But yeah we joust in good fun :)

[MortgageGuy]

Originally Posted by kanger

And I think you DRAMATICALLY underestimate the 8k price tag and the effect that price will have lmfao!!! But yeah we joust in good fun :)

Yes, It is all good fun. I for one have never been drawn to the Explorer II (current model) and will have to see the new in the flesh but I hope for all that own one the price does increase

I agree the 8k price is high but thats going rate today for a SS Rolex (MSRP) that is like it or not and I guess we all have to get used to it or not buy. Of course this does not mean myself or anyone is very happy about it

Time will tell and I do think it will all depend on how it feels on the wrist, it will either be hotter than hot or it will be a not, I dont think there will be much in between but again, what do I know

[MortgageGuy]

Originally Posted by kanger

And I think you DRAMATICALLY underestimate the 8k price tag and the effect that price will have lmfao!!! But yeah we joust in good fun :)

Love how you said DRAMATICALLY too :r ofl:

[Colnago]

Rough rules of thumb (historically speaking)....

If a model is very popular it quite obviously sells.....consequently there are lots made to keep up with demand....if lots are produced there are lots out there over time...these watches are built to last even if not very well cared for....so in the future there are lots to pick up used

If a model is not popular it doesn't sell and therefore it is not produced in large numbers for re-stocking.....if there are not many produced then it goes without saying that once production stops then there are only so many out there to be found used....

The most obvious case in point....the older SS Daytonas....nobody wanted them when they were current...some were manual wind, they didn't have in-house movements, they were just undesirable....because they didn't sell they were produced in far smaller quantities...I bought my first Rolex in November 1986, a 16030 DateJust at £853, next to it in the AD's window was a SS Daytona for £10 more, I don't regret buying my DateJust, I still have it and love it to bits but with hindsight I would have been better off with the Daytona if I was considering selling now......you know the rest of the story of course....

The Explorer II (which I love and am lucky enough to own) has never been the most popular, I am glad of that to be truthful, so I assume has been produced in lower numbers......but as has been said many many times all modern SS Rolex watches have been produced in large quantities by manufacturers standards so there are thousands out there...

In truth who really knows......I don't buy to sell, I buy to keep so it doesn't affect me....but all interesting points previous to my post.....

Only time will tell.....

[padi56]

Originally Posted by capote

I don't think that the 3186 has been such a big deal when it comes to prices for the EXP2 compared to what some sellers wants for their 3186 GMTII. With the introduction of the 3187 movement the 3186 will also be obsolete anyway.

Exactly the Internet is a wonderful place for Rolex hype and lets be honest who is going to get the back off to check.Or do the so called wiggle test to comfirm a 3186 or 3185 except the dealers owners eager to make a premium price to those willing to pay.Just like the infamous mistake dial, or stick dial GMT 11, many bought into the hype but now had there fingers burned.But its sad today that Rolex watches with so much history around the brand, has come now to be thought of by many as nothing but £££££££$$$$$$$$.

[George Ab]

Sub prices did not go down when the Sub-c came out. For that matter the GMT, Sub LV, and Seadweller 4000 prices went substantially up when they were replaced. Since the Exp II is the Rodney Dangerfield of Rolex sport models "I don't get no respect", I don't think they will go up as much, but they will go up.

[ArcticMoose]

Originally Posted by tomchicago

42mm size of the new one will put it out of the realm of anything but casual wear for most people. It's a great looking new watch, but strictly casual, considering that it will wreak havoc on dress shirt cuffs. Some will try to dress it up, but, on average, will just be a casual watch.

I see the Sub-C worn with dress shirts all the time, you'll probably even find a few here on the forum who do it.

The thick, large and notched bezel of a 40mm Sub-C will do significantly more damage to your shirt than the low-profile and smooth bezel of a 42mm Explorer II.

[AJMarcus]

The Expy II was never a big seller in the US and probably the least sought after in the sports models. If the new Expy, however, closely resembles it's pictures that may change. I suspect if that happens, and I think it will, ADs probably will give some nice discounts on the Expy IIs to move them along. That was my experience with some DayDates when the new DayDates arrived. But who knows what the market will dictate. Does anyone know if Expy II sales have picked up?