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sierra11b · 14 April 2012, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy

Having been there myself, source a jubilee or the GMT and it will get more wrist time, I promise

Agreed.

I want a 216570 bad! It's between that and both new Tudors. I once had the idea to flip my 16710 for the Polar 216570 and then get the two Tudors down the road. I had an immediate moment of clarity and smacked myself for thinking such a thing!

Knowing that the 216570 cannot wear as well as the 16710 (I don't care what anyone says despite its size -- the 16710 is the best fitting sports model ever, especially on SJ!), I would have found a reason to get the 16710 back. That would have been a wasteful flip imho.

So now I am going to ask myself if I want to save more for the 216570 when I get enough saved for the Pelagos. For my wallet's sake I hope I stay the course!

Andrés G · 14 April 2012, 02:38 AM

I would do it but I'm not a collector.

wokafu · 14 April 2012, 02:48 AM

NO !!!! no nonononon...not the pepsi for an EXPII...thats just wrong ..

00pumpkin · 14 April 2012, 02:51 AM

While I do love the new Exp II in white as well, the Pepsi is hands down a better keeper. Until they come out with a Pepsi-C of course.

You can go in any AD and grab an Exp II at any time you wish.

jmsrolls · 14 April 2012, 03:15 AM

Got this one:

That I flipped for this:

Bad mistake but fortunately I was able to undo the flip.

Then traded the reacquired 16570 for an M/3186 GMT Master II:

which has now been replaced with this:

The 216570 is, at least for me, perfect in every way; right size, legible, well proportioned, superb bracelet/clasp, beautiful dial, great lume, no PCLs, sturdy SS bezel. What more could one ask?

Fr. John+

rolio · 14 April 2012, 04:49 AM

STOP!!!

Do not do it!!!

You will regret it for the rest of your life!!!

I promise you

Chipmunk · 14 April 2012, 05:04 AM

Please do what makes you happy. I promise......it will make you happy.

FremStar · 14 April 2012, 05:21 AM

Fr. John has taken us to mass and shown us his progression, what a journey and what a way to upgrade

... 16710 for the 216570 would be a no brainer for me if I was not a hoarder of horological references, however, p_mcgee if you're going to get some wear out of it why not! Good luck

HDHNTER · 14 April 2012, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chipmunk

Please do what makes you happy. I promise......it will make you happy.

Exactly! Had I taken the "Don't do it, you'll regret it" advice when I was considering flipping my M Pepsi for the 312 I would have missed out on the most fun I've had since getting into watches. Surprisingly, as much as I loved the 16710 & the insert swap options, once bored enough with it to flip.... I haven't missed it a single second in the time I've had my 312. To be honest, I've missed none of the Rolexes I've flipped, 40mm just doesn't do it for me like it used to.

WPI · 14 April 2012, 07:20 AM

I'd keep the Pepsi. Such a classic piece. I almost bought the new Exp II but when I tried it on at the AD a few months back but it just didn't sing to

karmatp · 14 April 2012, 08:00 AM

I have owned many classic GMT's over the years and don't miss the small crown one bit. I sold my last pepsi when I went to my local AD and saw one of the sales ladies wearing one and it looked better on her wrist than mine.

It is just a watch, if you decide down the road you prefer the 16710, you can always sell the 216570 and get another GMT.

Vallhalla68 · 14 April 2012, 08:05 AM

You can't go wrong with an Exp II 216570

wrxsti · 14 April 2012, 08:40 AM

buy the exp and do not sell the gmt until u are absolutely sure u can live without it.

p_mcgee · 14 April 2012, 10:53 AM

By my count 15 votes to flip the GMT and 20 to keep it. Hmmm...maybe I should start saving up for the Exp2 so I can have both some day.

FremStar · 14 April 2012, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p_mcgee

By my count 15 votes to flip the GMT and 20 to keep it. Hmmm...maybe I should start saving up for the Exp2 so I can have both some day.

Sounds like a good idea... In any event good luck with your ultimate decision!

East Bay Rider · 14 April 2012, 11:29 AM

I wouldn't.

dalip · 14 April 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

I agree Cru....that comment made me feel like this too....

Back to the OP and the question:

I'd do it....basically as others have said if you're not wearing a watch and think you'd wear another more then it's a done deal.

The exp 2 42 may give you more pleasure.....and life's too short to keep something just because it's a supposed icon.

Plenty of them about and you can always go back....it'll cost you of course....but again....life's too short

tudorlex · 14 April 2012, 06:20 PM

I wouldn't flip any of the classics for the modern. Save up for the new one, but don't let go of a classic.

gmax · 15 April 2012, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy

Having been there myself, source a jubilee or the GMT and it will get more wrist time, I promise

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I REALLY like the look of that Jubilee bracelet. Nice

Gerardus · 15 April 2012, 12:39 AM

Pick it, life goes on...

Bowlduck · 15 April 2012, 01:02 AM

Love the GMT. IMO the Explorer already looks dated.

kilyung · 15 April 2012, 01:16 AM

Keep the Pepsi and get the coke & black bezels for a change.

le_baroudeur · 15 April 2012, 01:48 AM

No, I would not do it. What if you regret?

rolio · 15 April 2012, 01:50 AM

Okay. If you must, and you are going to do it anyway, I would only trade it for a year's supply of ribs. I really love ribs

ManCityFan · 15 April 2012, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by le_baroudeur

No, I would not do it. What if you regret?

Errr...then you can buy another pepsi GMT? People are deluded if they think these are rare or hard to find.

bottom line: get what you want and don't worry about the rest.

sheldonsmith · 15 April 2012, 04:59 AM

I had a 16710 M series that I flipped for a black faced Explorer II and have no regrets. Like Fr. John, I see the Exp II as the perfect watch in size, lume, and presence. I also have a GMT-C and after wearing it, putting on the 16710 just seemed like a watch that was too light, too small, lume was so-so (especially compared with the maxi handed GMT-C, and is no comparison to the blue chromolite lume used in twilight conditions). The touch of orange, especially on the black face, provides much more presence than the two-tone bezel of the 16710, and the steel bezel of the Explorer definitely stands out as a professional watch.

Below is a picture pulled from my review at http://www.minus4plus6.com/216570.htm

High Res Here

The Explorer II is larger, but not overbearing, especially on my 6.75" wrist.

Anyhow, I did it and no regrets.

-Sheldon

westbroek · 15 April 2012, 05:38 AM

I would keep the GMT

capote · 15 April 2012, 06:15 AM

The Pepsi is the icon here. But that fact is not by itself a reason to keep it if you like the Exp42 more.

capote · 15 April 2012, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyore

My honest opinion is in ten years' time, the current crop of rolex's will look like dated crap.

We will see. I just don't like the look of the maxi case and ceramics. Saw those again yesterday at an AD and its just not for me.

T.S.Eliot · 15 April 2012, 06:46 AM

[QUOTE=jmsrolls;3214107]
Then traded the reacquired 16570 for an M/3186 GMT Master II:

which has now been replaced with this:

14 April 2012, 04:49 AM	#36
rolio "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: justRay Location: Back2California Watch: Birdies Posts: 1,921	STOP!!! Do not do it!!! You will regret it for the rest of your life!!! I promise you __________________ JJ "Tranquil? Just wait till I get started!! LOL! LOL!" --JJ Rolex~By way of an extraordinary life, and all the simple pleasures it has to offer~

14 April 2012, 05:04 AM	#37
Chipmunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Alvin Location: So Cal Watch: ROLEXES Posts: 5,390	Please do what makes you happy. I promise......it will make you happy. __________________ "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"............John Keats

14 April 2012, 05:21 AM	#38
FremStar "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Sam Location: Gotham City Watch: Wall Street Posts: 9,954	Fr. John has taken us to mass and shown us his progression, what a journey and what a way to upgrade ... 16710 for the 216570 would be a no brainer for me if I was not a hoarder of horological references, however, p_mcgee if you're going to get some wear out of it why not! Good luck __________________ "Wealth is of the heart and mind, not of the pocket!" "A Watch Is An Emotional Object, And So, It Is The Responsibility Of The Brand To Create Emotion Through It's Products" - Georges Kern "In the 1950s and 60s, they made the Ref 8171, which is a cult collectible—now that’s the ultimate Rolex you could own with a calendar and a moon phase.” - John Reardon "Heh, heh, heh..." - Michael Kilyung

14 April 2012, 08:00 AM	#41
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I have owned many classic GMT's over the years and don't miss the small crown one bit. I sold my last pepsi when I went to my local AD and saw one of the sales ladies wearing one and it looked better on her wrist than mine. It is just a watch, if you decide down the road you prefer the 16710, you can always sell the 216570 and get another GMT. __________________ My grails:

14 April 2012, 08:40 AM	#43
wrxsti "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 1,695	buy the exp and do not sell the gmt until u are absolutely sure u can live without it. __________________ PP Geneva

14 April 2012, 02:38 AM	#32
Andrés G "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Guatemala Posts: 3,392	I would do it but I'm not a collector.

14 April 2012, 02:48 AM	#33
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	NO !!!! no nonononon...not the pepsi for an EXPII...thats just wrong ..

14 April 2012, 02:51 AM	#34
00pumpkin "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Dustin Location: USA Posts: 1,980	While I do love the new Exp II in white as well, the Pepsi is hands down a better keeper. Until they come out with a Pepsi-C of course. You can go in any AD and grab an Exp II at any time you wish.

14 April 2012, 03:15 AM	#35
jmsrolls Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,185	Got this one: That I flipped for this: Bad mistake but fortunately I was able to undo the flip. Then traded the reacquired 16570 for an M/3186 GMT Master II: which has now been replaced with this: The 216570 is, at least for me, perfect in every way; right size, legible, well proportioned, superb bracelet/clasp, beautiful dial, great lume, no PCLs, sturdy SS bezel. What more could one ask? Fr. John+

14 April 2012, 07:20 AM	#40
WPI Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Watch: PAM088, Daytona, Posts: 25	I'd keep the Pepsi. Such a classic piece. I almost bought the new Exp II but when I tried it on at the AD a few months back but it just didn't sing to

14 April 2012, 08:05 AM	#42
Vallhalla68 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: David Location: California Watch: Explorer ll 216570 Posts: 183	You can't go wrong with an Exp II 216570

14 April 2012, 10:53 AM	#44
p_mcgee "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,150	By my count 15 votes to flip the GMT and 20 to keep it. Hmmm...maybe I should start saving up for the Exp2 so I can have both some day.

14 April 2012, 11:29 AM	#46
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,109	I wouldn't. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

14 April 2012, 06:20 PM	#48
tudorlex "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Down Under Watch: 16570 Posts: 484	I wouldn't flip any of the classics for the modern. Save up for the new one, but don't let go of a classic.

15 April 2012, 12:39 AM	#50
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: often in the air Watch: ♕ Posts: 12,202	Pick it, life goes on... __________________ ♕126610 ♕126333 ♕116300

15 April 2012, 01:02 AM	#51
Bowlduck "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NH Watch: 16613 Posts: 232	Love the GMT. IMO the Explorer already looks dated.

15 April 2012, 01:16 AM	#52
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,950	Keep the Pepsi and get the coke & black bezels for a change.

15 April 2012, 01:48 AM	#53
le_baroudeur "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rennes, FRANCE Posts: 802	No, I would not do it. What if you regret? __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons.

15 April 2012, 01:50 AM	#54
rolio "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: justRay Location: Back2California Watch: Birdies Posts: 1,921	Okay. If you must, and you are going to do it anyway, I would only trade it for a year's supply of ribs. I really love ribs __________________ JJ "Tranquil? Just wait till I get started!! LOL! LOL!" --JJ Rolex~By way of an extraordinary life, and all the simple pleasures it has to offer~

15 April 2012, 04:59 AM	#56
sheldonsmith 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,815	I did it and no regrets I had a 16710 M series that I flipped for a black faced Explorer II and have no regrets. Like Fr. John, I see the Exp II as the perfect watch in size, lume, and presence. I also have a GMT-C and after wearing it, putting on the 16710 just seemed like a watch that was too light, too small, lume was so-so (especially compared with the maxi handed GMT-C, and is no comparison to the blue chromolite lume used in twilight conditions). The touch of orange, especially on the black face, provides much more presence than the two-tone bezel of the 16710, and the steel bezel of the Explorer definitely stands out as a professional watch. Below is a picture pulled from my review at http://www.minus4plus6.com/216570.htm High Res Here The Explorer II is larger, but not overbearing, especially on my 6.75" wrist. Anyhow, I did it and no regrets. -Sheldon __________________

15 April 2012, 05:38 AM	#57
westbroek "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Dylan Location: The Netherlands Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 341	I would keep the GMT __________________ I get better with time like a watch.

15 April 2012, 06:15 AM	#58
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	The Pepsi is the icon here. But that fact is not by itself a reason to keep it if you like the Exp42 more.

15 April 2012, 06:46 AM	#60
T.S.Eliot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: K Location: KSA Watch: aholic Posts: 1,499	[QUOTE=jmsrolls;3214107] Then traded the reacquired 16570 for an M/3186 GMT Master II: which has now been replaced with this: __________________ "Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, / Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep seas swell / And the profit and loss. / A current under sea / Picked his bones in whispers. / As he rose and fell / He passed the stages of his age and youth / Entering the whirlpool. / Gentile or Jew / O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, / Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you." Cheers, K

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