18239 & question

[tomfang]

Originally Posted by Monte Cristo

So rsc says its authentic but you are questioning them and looking for validation from trf members instead?

To me that dial looks fake but hey I don't work for RSC taipei.

Yes, I doubt them....

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by tomfang

Yes, I doubt them....

Not as much as we doubt you.

[Jackxv]

Let's give this guy the benefit of doubt , please post some pictures if the complete case (crownside) , backside and the bracelet.

Jack

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by tomfang

Will post more pics soon.

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Let's give this guy the benefit of doubt , please post some pictures if the complete case (crownside) , backside and the bracelet.

Jack

Of course, but I think "soon" has passed already.

[bayerische]

I don't think we'll see anymore pics.

[lebowski321]

Originally Posted by dbphotos

The first indicator that the dial at least is not original.

Blue box is straight on the the top line of the Day Date plate and the ROLEX plate is clearly crooked. It is also crooked as compared to the etched ROLEX background on the dial.

Smells like a troll to me.

This

[crowncollection]

this is a troll, i see no further pictures i asked for yesterday, the important ones of case and band hallmarks, he is someone trying to see if he can sell it, If it has matching box and papers and was verified by any rolex service centre in the world as they are all of similar standard, why would you even ask trf members. Ban him ???

[tomfang]

FYI. And I don't intend to sell this watch but clarify the authentic. Please don't get me wrong.

By the way, the date of the purchase year on the warranty paper is "the Republic of China Era" FYI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_era_name

[imono]

Can you post pictures of the serial and model number from the lugs?
Also picture of the clasp.

[tomfang]

Originally Posted by imono

Can you post pictures of the serial and model number from the lugs?
Also picture of the clasp.

Currently on biz trip abroad, will try after coming back.

[crowncollection]

Originally Posted by imono

Can you post pictures of the serial and model number from the lugs?
Also picture of the clasp.

a farily random pack of photos with different backgrounds, i have my suspicions still, they make these cases pretty close to original and bands in hong kong in solid gold also and they attempt the hallmarks, the markings on the inside case back do not look sharp enough although i will say the photo is blurred it could be that, all the photos of the hallmarks are just a bit to small to see details ?, try a little closer and clearer please. We want to see the clasp nice and clear and the case serial and model numbers and real close up of that case back. Waiting in anticipation, regards.

[tomfang]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

a farily random pack of photos with different backgrounds, i have my suspicions still, they make these cases pretty close to original and bands in hong kong in solid gold also and they attempt the hallmarks, the markings on the inside case back do not look sharp enough although i will say the photo is blurred it could be that, all the photos of the hallmarks are just a bit to small to see details ?, try a little closer and clearer please. We want to see the clasp nice and clear and the case serial and model numbers and real close up of that case back. Waiting in anticipation, regards.

Will try my best to do so.

BTW, Mr. James Dowling is assisting to check this dial with ROLEX Geneva, let's wait for the feedback.

[cajunron]

Tom, if the watch is authentic, it's probable that it has an aftermarket dial. I am certain that Rolex did not make this dial. They would never set the stones directly on the dial without the surrounds. Even if they did, it would never get by quality control looking like that. Their standards are set fairly high. As advised, please post pics of the engravings between the lugs and of the clasp, once you have the chance.

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by tomfang

Will try my best to do so.

BTW, Mr. James Dowling is assisting to check this dial with ROLEX Geneva, let's wait for the feedback.

You can have the Pope bless it, but it still won't be an authentic dial. Tell him I said, "ave atque vale."

[mrbill2mrbill2]

"BTW, Mr. James Dowling is assisting to check this dial with ROLEX Geneva, let's wait for the feedback."

Enough!!

TROLL.

[tomfang]

Thank you all for the comments, looks like everybody thinks the dial is not authentic, I think I've had the answer from all of you, thanks again.

[chicfarmer1]

You should report the individuals at RSC Taipei who assured you this was all authentic. Include photos of the watch. Rolex Geneva probably would want to know about this staffing problem, I expect.

[tomfang]

Hello all, checked again and more pictures taken at RSC, Taipei yesterday. Same answer from RSC, all authentic. FYI.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Looks like 2 different dials on the last pictures. One has crooked ROLEX under the cornet and the other one doesn't. And the spacing of the stones are different on the 2 pictures , they don't seem evenly spaced On the last front dial picture

[tomfang]

Originally Posted by JAGERVEGAS

Looks like 2 different dials on the last pictures. One has crooked ROLEX under the cornet and the other one doesn't. And the spacing of the stones are different on the 2 pictures , they don't seem evenly spaced On the last front dial picture

There's only one dial in these pictures, from certain angle, the ROLEX does look like crooked....

[Blong]

What did James Dowling and Rolex Geneva say? What was RSC Taipei's explanation for being authentic? Just curious, they must have provided more details on it than just.... "It's authentic"....

[crowncollection]

i have had many watches authenticated at rolex they give a you a paper receipt explaning everything about the watch can you show us that please, your hallmarks look good on the band in one photo not the other ? , the dial is not correct and i will tell you why, firstly this would never pass quality control, even if the dial plate(metal) somehow was cut out upside down by a careless employee putting the sheet in the machine the wrong way, rolex do not do one at a time the would many of these, so these would have surfaced before, secondly a diamond setter sat looking at this dial for a few hours under a loupe, do you think he would not notice, thirdly, final rolex inspection passed ?, fourth the authorised dealer would have noticed when they put it on display, and fifth the customer would notice dont you think, i would and said something. Anyway those are not the absolute determining facts but these are on the back of an original rolex diamond dial the hole where the diamond is set is the only hole you see, i have attached photos, on your like many aftermarket altered ones you can see extra holes where the original markers or arabic or roman numerals have been removed they are very small holes. The original markers have been removed and the hole plugged and a new larger hole drilled for you diamond markers, please see photos its hard to explain, these are original see no holes apart from the diamond setting regards

SEE NO OTHER HOLES, YOU SEE THE TWO LITTLE HOLES AROUND EACH OF YOUR DIAMOND SETTINGS, ITS ALTERED :

[Dr.Brian]

For the love of God, give it up.
Your clasp/bracelet photos are from different watches, I wonder which one yours is? Perhaps the fake one?
Do you think a forum full of enthusiasts, of whom some have been collecting watches for decades, can't see the difference? I'm looking at them on a cell phone FFS.
I'm too lazy to try to see where you lifted the photos from.
I'm thinking it's time for you to join Safetrends. Tell him that I'll see him at Kono's.
This isn't our first time at the rodeo Chief.

[tomfang]

Hi David, thanks for your explanation. I did ask for a paper of receipt from RSC, but they told me they don't issue receipt for the service of checking authentication, maybe because it's a free service here? I heard that other RSCsS charged for such service?

[crowncollection]

i have circled where the previous marker holes are.

[Blong]

If you don't have anything official from Rolex stating the watches authentication, then no one will believe it is real. If the RSC wants to charge you a few bucks for the authentication papers, it is worth your while. Any one can just say they got authenticated, but words aren't worth much now a days....

[RolexWatcher]

Fake watch. At best, aftermarket parts. Happy to be proven wrong.

Who is the "collector" you brought it from?

Who did you speak to in Taipei RSC?

[alby.bda]

it looks to me that the bracelet clasp photos are from 2 different material as well unless one of the two photos has been fotoshopped .

[alby.bda]

the marking (RolexSA) on the clasp looks different from one photos to the next look closely
fishy very fishy

[james kwan]

i have the same watch. everything is the same except the crooked rolex