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Psmith · 4 October 2012, 01:56 AM

Does the seller have references? Don't rush in without checking him out first. If he's a good seller then he will encourage this.

Is there an advert online that you can post a link to? I assume that the price is attractive, but have you tried negotiating with a local AD?

gr33n · 4 October 2012, 02:32 AM

Please take your time, buy the seller before, check it with an AD (he opens it for checking movement, then get the waterprofness re-done) ; get the last service paper or the buying paper... If you doubt, buy it here with known sellers.

rolexperfect · 4 October 2012, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

Does the seller have references? Don't rush in without checking him out first. If he's a good seller then he will encourage this.

Is there an advert online that you can post a link to? I assume that the price is attractive, but have you tried negotiating with a local AD?

I checked the EXIF data on most of the watches the seller has posted on the forum. All of them are with the same camera and taken this year.

I haven't found any posts on that forum that can say he's any trustable.

He said:

And again for your safety: The watch is brand new, comes with all Boxes, Booklets and Hangtags, is fully sealed and dated 10/2012. The watch comes from Greece, LC 200, official Rolex Dealer ( a good friend of mine).

I looked at the EXIF data of the pictures and they are taken with sony camera, which it's the same as in other watches he's selling.

Here's the actual ad of the sub:
http://www.watchlounge.com/wbb3/wl/s...t-aus-10-2012/

Here's one ad for an explorer:
http://www.watchlounge.com/wbb3/wl/s...t-aus-10-2012/

The problem in this city is that there are no submariners, but many ADs. People have to order them and wait from one to three months to get it.

So it's all so difficult :( That's one of the reason I initially wanted that old sub 16610N.

EDIT: He also offered me to travel to his city and to the transaction inside his local bank branch... I said I couldn't go on a weekday, and he said that for his and my security, it's not possible to do this in person in another place. Kind of whatever. But some Germans are like that. I don't know if I should relate it to this. But whatever....

rolexperfect · 4 October 2012, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr33n

Please take your time, buy the seller before, check it with an AD (he opens it for checking movement, then get the waterprofness re-done) ; get the last service paper or the buying paper... If you doubt, buy it here with known sellers.

I think that there are no sellers in this forum that are located in Europe. I once tried to buy from a US seller but then we realized customs fee would be too high...

rolexperfect · 4 October 2012, 04:35 AM

Considering Psmith recommendation I've found now a better trader with good rating on e-bay and with many accounts of different watch sales sites... I'll let you know whenever I buy it though. Thanks everybody.

Grissom · 4 October 2012, 04:45 AM

If I were you, I might just put my name on a list at your local AD, and wait the three months.....this way, you KNOW you are getting what you THINK you are getting, and possibly at a better price? Just my 2 cents worth, as the options you have noted above all seem to come with some associated risk.

Good luck, and I concur that you should either get a new SubC or look into a 1680 (or even a 1665 Sea Dweller), for a true vintage experience.

Lagunatic · 4 October 2012, 04:54 AM

Get a new SubC from an AD.

rolexperfect · 4 October 2012, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grissom

If I were you, I might just put my name on a list at your local AD, and wait the three months.....this way, you KNOW you are getting what you THINK you are getting, and possibly at a better price? Just my 2 cents worth, as the options you have noted above all seem to come with some associated risk.

Good luck, and I concur that you should either get a new SubC or look into a 1680 (or even a 1665 Sea Dweller), for a true vintage experience.

Yeah... I might be considering this... it feels horrible to be dropping 6000 euros on something I am not even seeing in person and with some risk too with not well known sellers and argh. It's supposed to feel good, not to feel scared of being scammed...

gwalker · 4 October 2012, 06:44 AM

IMHO the 16610 is too high. I wouldn't trust it's been serviced so throw in $550+ for a service. I much prefer the SubC to the previous model. The bracelet, maxi dial, larger lugs, ceramic bezel, and best of all the glide lock clasp are great upgrades in my opinion. You need to ask yourself which you prefer. Good luck.

Psmith · 4 October 2012, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexperfect

Considering Psmith recommendation I've found now a better trader with good rating on e-bay and with many accounts of different watch sales sites... I'll let you know whenever I buy it though. Thanks everybody.

Good luck with what you decide, but personally I would wait and buy from a local AD. 100% safety and peace of mind will be worth it

Cmmatthews · 4 October 2012, 01:16 PM

the SubC definitely feels like a watch that is consistent with the price. The original sub, while classic, definitely does not feel like a $5K watch, especially the bracelet.

Good news is that with the 16610 that you can basically resell it at the same cost, so it's sort of risk free in that regard.

rolexperfect · 4 October 2012, 11:48 PM

Thanks guys!

I have finally went the right way for me in my special case... Thanks to Psmith since he kinda encouraged me to go to an AD and negotiate the price. I could get it down from € 6,850 to € 6,250. A great price considering what I was just about to pay € 6,120 to a private seller by just looking at a picture...

Every AD here (Wempe and Bucherer) are big chains and they wouldn't lower down the price, so I am quite happy I could find this other smaller but still reputable AD here in the city.

So so happy. I can't wait... I should be getting it between 3 to 6 weeks.

Cheers!

Psmith · 5 October 2012, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexperfect

Thanks guys!

I have finally went the right way for me in my special case... Thanks to Psmith since he kinda encouraged me to go to an AD and negotiate the price. I could get it down from € 6,850 to € 6,250. A great price considering what I was just about to pay € 6,120 to a private seller by just looking at a picture...

Every AD here (Wempe and Bucherer) are big chains and they wouldn't lower down the price, so I am quite happy I could find this other smaller but still reputable AD here in the city.

So so happy. I can't wait... I should be getting it between 3 to 6 weeks.

Cheers!

Great, glad I was of assistance to you - sounds like you got a good deal. Looking forward to seeing the photos of your Sub when it arrives!

masterserg · 5 October 2012, 02:01 AM

You made the right move. Congrats!

rolexperfect · 5 October 2012, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterserg

You made the right move. Congrats!

Thanks... it just feels so much better like this... even if I have to wait long

rolexperfect · 5 October 2012, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

Great, glad I was of assistance to you - sounds like you got a good deal. Looking forward to seeing the photos of your Sub when it arrives!

Of course!! I can't wait to get it... I have my camera ready for that day lol Some nice lens ready for the SubC

mjclark32 · 5 October 2012, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexperfect

Thanks guys!

I have finally went the right way for me in my special case... Thanks to Psmith since he kinda encouraged me to go to an AD and negotiate the price. I could get it down from € 6,850 to € 6,250. A great price considering what I was just about to pay € 6,120 to a private seller by just looking at a picture...

Every AD here (Wempe and Bucherer) are big chains and they wouldn't lower down the price, so I am quite happy I could find this other smaller but still reputable AD here in the city.

So so happy. I can't wait... I should be getting it between 3 to 6 weeks.

Cheers!

Well done, congrats!

rolexperfect · 5 October 2012, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Well done, congrats!

Thanks MJ! I just can't wait!

AlTinkster92 · 5 October 2012, 09:25 AM

Always use care when a wire transfer...

boogiebot · 5 October 2012, 09:49 AM

new subc for me too. i just think its all around improvement over the older versions.

rolexperfect · 5 October 2012, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlTinkster92

Always use care when a wire transfer...

At the end I went to a nice AD here :)

rolexperfect · 5 October 2012, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogiebot

new subc for me too. i just think its all around improvement over the older versions.

I just reserved/ordered a SubC... I can't wait!

vintagewaferthin · 15 October 2012, 10:14 AM

Congrats on the sub c! Post some pics when you get it.

superdog · 15 October 2012, 11:33 AM

Looks like a solid deal. But I've no clue of the site u refer too.

If you have any doubts, find one here in the classifieds. Then u have zero worries.

Transient · 15 October 2012, 02:03 PM

I like the SubC but I find the lugs just too wide.
16610 for me all the way!!!!

Bad Lawyer · 15 October 2012, 03:39 PM

voted for 116610

rolexperfect · 14 November 2012, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transient

I like the SubC but I find the lugs just too wide.
16610 for me all the way!!!!

The 16610 is beautiful!! Great pic. I have seen a lot of SubCs around and that cerachrome is just so shiny... it looks really attractive!! This and the clasp were the facts that made me go for the SubC... and by the way, I am still waiting for it! Oh... I really can't wait. I've really thought of getting a Milgauss or a Big Pilot in the mean time... it's been hard times waiting for it.

rolexperfect · 14 November 2012, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagewaferthin

Congrats on the sub c! Post some pics when you get it.

I will!! I promise

mmmk604 · 14 November 2012, 10:24 AM

I just picked up the SubC at the beginning of the month.
It's been my new daily wearer, love it!

AK797 · 14 November 2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmmk604

I just picked up the SubC at the beginning of the month.
It's been my new daily wearer, love it!

So did I, but thats because we are all young and sexy with man-sized wrists that can take the new modern case!

4 October 2012, 01:56 AM	#31
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	Does the seller have references? Don't rush in without checking him out first. If he's a good seller then he will encourage this. Is there an advert online that you can post a link to? I assume that the price is attractive, but have you tried negotiating with a local AD? __________________

4 October 2012, 04:45 AM	#36
Grissom "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Nathan Location: US, Latin America Watch: GMT IIc 18K/SS Posts: 3,349	If I were you, I might just put my name on a list at your local AD, and wait the three months.....this way, you KNOW you are getting what you THINK you are getting, and possibly at a better price? Just my 2 cents worth, as the options you have noted above all seem to come with some associated risk. Good luck, and I concur that you should either get a new SubC or look into a 1680 (or even a 1665 Sea Dweller), for a true vintage experience. __________________ *(Member NAWCC since 1976)* 116713LN GMT-IIc 18k/SS (Z) + 116520 SS Daytona (M) + 16700 GMT Master (A) + 16610LV Submariner (V) + 16600 Sea Dweller (Z) + 116400 Milgauss White Dial (V) + 70330N Tudor Heritage Chronograph Grey w/Black Sub Dials (J) + 5513 Submariner Serif Dial (5.2 Mil) Who else needs an Intervention? (109 297) (137 237) (73 115) (221) (23) (56) (229) P-Club Member #5 RIP JJ Irani - TRF Legend

5 October 2012, 02:01 AM	#44
masterserg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Serg Location: US of A Watch: AP Posts: 7,437	You made the right move. Congrats! __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat????

15 October 2012, 11:33 AM	#54
superdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,862	Looks like a solid deal. But I've no clue of the site u refer too. If you have any doubts, find one here in the classifieds. Then u have zero worries. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

4 October 2012, 02:32 AM	#32
gr33n "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Xavier Location: Switzerland Watch: 116600 Posts: 446	Please take your time, buy the seller before, check it with an AD (he opens it for checking movement, then get the waterprofness re-done) ; get the last service paper or the buying paper... If you doubt, buy it here with known sellers.

4 October 2012, 04:35 AM	#35
rolexperfect "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: around the world Watch: 116506 Posts: 1,370	Considering Psmith recommendation I've found now a better trader with good rating on e-bay and with many accounts of different watch sales sites... I'll let you know whenever I buy it though. Thanks everybody.

4 October 2012, 04:54 AM	#37
Lagunatic Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Ron Location: Laguna Niguel, Ca Watch: Rolex 116613LN Posts: 1,724	Get a new SubC from an AD.

4 October 2012, 06:44 AM	#39
gwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Gunter Location: AL/NJ Watch: DSSD; 116610LN Posts: 5,509	IMHO the 16610 is too high. I wouldn't trust it's been serviced so throw in $550+ for a service. I much prefer the SubC to the previous model. The bracelet, maxi dial, larger lugs, ceramic bezel, and best of all the glide lock clasp are great upgrades in my opinion. You need to ask yourself which you prefer. Good luck.

4 October 2012, 01:16 PM	#41
Cmmatthews "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Pacifica, CA Watch: Double Red SD Posts: 308	the SubC definitely feels like a watch that is consistent with the price. The original sub, while classic, definitely does not feel like a $5K watch, especially the bracelet. Good news is that with the 16610 that you can basically resell it at the same cost, so it's sort of risk free in that regard.

4 October 2012, 11:48 PM	#42
rolexperfect "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: around the world Watch: 116506 Posts: 1,370	Thanks guys! I have finally went the right way for me in my special case... Thanks to Psmith since he kinda encouraged me to go to an AD and negotiate the price. I could get it down from € 6,850 to € 6,250. A great price considering what I was just about to pay € 6,120 to a private seller by just looking at a picture... Every AD here (Wempe and Bucherer) are big chains and they wouldn't lower down the price, so I am quite happy I could find this other smaller but still reputable AD here in the city. So so happy. I can't wait... I should be getting it between 3 to 6 weeks. Cheers!

5 October 2012, 09:25 AM	#49
AlTinkster92 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: NC Posts: 502	Always use care when a wire transfer...

5 October 2012, 09:49 AM	#50
boogiebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: canada Watch: me post! Posts: 3,804	new subc for me too. i just think its all around improvement over the older versions.

15 October 2012, 10:14 AM	#53
vintagewaferthin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Watch: Air-King 5500 Posts: 2,620	Congrats on the sub c! Post some pics when you get it.

15 October 2012, 02:03 PM	#55
Transient "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 697	I like the SubC but I find the lugs just too wide. 16610 for me all the way!!!!

15 October 2012, 03:39 PM	#56
Bad Lawyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Thailand Watch: 116610 LN Posts: 33	voted for 116610

14 November 2012, 10:24 AM	#59
mmmk604 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Canada Watch: 116610LN Posts: 1,594	I just picked up the SubC at the beginning of the month. It's been my new daily wearer, love it!

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