Why Rolex?

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by dman

Diamonds, lots and lots of diamonds.

Daren, is that really you, or did Andie hijack this thread?

[dman]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

Daren, is that really you, or did Andie hijack this thread?

I was JK, but she likes her only automatic watch with just a hint of bling.

[JJ Irani]

That is a beauty, Daren. The black Romans contrast well with the dial and the diamonds set them off beautifully!! Very lovely for a lady!!

[Gedanken]

By the way, JJ, be a dear and give us 50 for "verbatum", will ya?

[upyoursebay]

The advertising “logo/campaign” in Italy (and abroad) for Breil “Don’t touch my Breil” has obviously worked wonders for the millions that like to buy and wear a Breil watch.
This Forum and many others are more like “Don’t touch my Rolex” and a little bit like the three wise monkeys (no see, no hear, no speak) – no one really dares to upset anyone.
As far as I am concerned Breil are just “nasty” watches. Average production cost is around $25 and they sell for $200.
I could say the same for Rolex, but I can’t as many of you will only faint or become hysterical.
Rolex is all about marketing – and a very clever one for that matter.
It is in fact one of the very few companies that advertise (here in UK anyway) on newspapers, magazines and television. Franck Muller is now having a television presence in the form of a nice long advertisement about his watches.
I have read and I have researched and I have come to my own conclusions. A lot of the information out there is wrong and misleading and even the so called famous Dowling or Brozek get their facts wrong and/or without proof.
They too are part of the Rolex marketing machine and only when someone like Walt Odets say something different, the Rolex community goes up in arms.
There is nothing magical and nothing special about Rolex watches. They have of course a lovely style that appeal to many and that “mystical” charisma that has been portrayed as a fairy tale since Hans Wilsdorf was born (and where a lot has only been speculation).
Ignorance has been the fall of many Empires and it is only ignorance that is keeping Rolex name alive and high.
To appreciate Rolex (and Mercedes like someone else has mentioned) – you must also know a lot about the other brands out there. How much does anyone know about Zenith, Ulysse Nardin, Parmigiani, Graham, Corum or even a Bell & Ross? How many of you have driven Mercedes, BMW, Saab, Chrysler, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Lexus and Audi cars? All cars, anyway, that have a status symbol.
Rolex is only a status symbol watch because we let them be and only because the mass media out there recognize the name. Should we go to the pub or night club with a £100,000 Patek or Ulysse Nardin, 99.9% wouldn’t know what the watch is worth. However, if we walk in with a Rolex, everyone thinks that we “are it”.
“I hope this comment stays – as the last one I inserted was actually cancelled”. In one of the forums I found out that the average age of people in the forums is around 39-41 years of age. I will be delighted to entertain positive exchange of ideas with others should anyone wish to ask sensible questions.

[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

The advertising “logo/campaign” in Italy (and abroad) for Breil “Don’t touch my Breil” has obviously worked wonders for the millions that like to buy and wear a Breil watch.
This Forum and many others are more like “Don’t touch my Rolex” and a little bit like the three wise monkeys (no see, no hear, no speak) – no one really dares to upset anyone.
As far as I am concerned Breil are just “nasty” watches. Average production cost is around $25 and they sell for $200.
I could say the same for Rolex, but I can’t as many of you will only faint or become hysterical.
Rolex is all about marketing – and a very clever one for that matter.
It is in fact one of the very few companies that advertise (here in UK anyway) on newspapers, magazines and television. Franck Muller is now having a television presence in the form of a nice long advertisement about his watches.
I have read and I have researched and I have come to my own conclusions. A lot of the information out there is wrong and misleading and even the so called famous Dowling or Brozek get their facts wrong and/or without proof.
They too are part of the Rolex marketing machine and only when someone like Walt Odets say something different, the Rolex community goes up in arms.
There is nothing magical and nothing special about Rolex watches. They have of course a lovely style that appeal to many and that “mystical” charisma that has been portrayed as a fairy tale since Hans Wilsdorf was born (and where a lot has only been speculation).
Ignorance has been the fall of many Empires and it is only ignorance that is keeping Rolex name alive and high.
To appreciate Rolex (and Mercedes like someone else has mentioned) – you must also know a lot about the other brands out there. How much does anyone know about Zenith, Ulysse Nardin, Parmigiani, Graham, Corum or even a Bell & Ross? How many of you have driven Mercedes, BMW, Saab, Chrysler, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Lexus and Audi cars? All cars, anyway, that have a status symbol.
Rolex is only a status symbol watch because we let them be and only because the mass media out there recognize the name. Should we go to the pub or night club with a £100,000 Patek or Ulysse Nardin, 99.9% wouldn’t know what the watch is worth. However, if we walk in with a Rolex, everyone thinks that we “are it”.
“I hope this comment stays – as the last one I inserted was actually cancelled”. In one of the forums I found out that the average age of people in the forums is around 39-41 years of age. I will be delighted to entertain positive exchange of ideas with others should anyone wish to ask sensible questions.

I have seriously thought about UN, AP, JLC, Zenith, and Grand Seiko. But when it came time to pony up the money, I seem to come back to Rolex.

If Rolex was not so well recognized, then a better discount could probably be had. I'd be happy with that.

To say "Ignorance has been the fall of many Empires and it is only ignorance that is keeping Rolex name alive and high." is a bold statement. To the average person you may in fact be right. But the people who come to forums like this, I would not say are your average uneducated watch buyer.

You also stated "To appreciate Rolex (and Mercedes like someone else has mentioned) – you must also know a lot about the other brands out there. " That sounds reasonable. I'd be curious to hear what timepieces you have owned and some specifics on how you think they compare to Rolex.

[Gedanken]

Well, upyours, if you read the comments in the posts before yours, you will see that the sentiment that you've presented is acknowledged and accepted by the other members here, from Rockrolex's acknowledgement of the bottom line as "superb marketing" to Atomic's tongue-in-cheek "the chicks dig it", so I think you're overestimating the originality, much less shock value, of your post. Quite assuredly, nobody's going to faint or become hysterical.

That said, I suspect that a fair number of reasonable people could well object to either your self-proclaimed role as bearer of the torch of truth. To help you wind it back, here are a few grains of truth to be found by perusing the posts here:

1) Many, if not most, of the members of this forum have an appreciation of other watch brands - the "Watches (Non-Rolex)" forum is a big sign of this if there ever was one. In fact, we have in the past few days welcomed a group of new members from the Canadian Panerai forum, who have been gracious enough to accept Roger's invitation.

2) To state the obvious, since it seems to bear highlighting here, this IS a Rolex forum, and the betting odds, therefore, would be in favour of Rolex's positive image around these parts - shock horror.

3) As stated before, read through the posts in this thread and you will see clear and hearty acknowledgement of Rolex's image and fame/notoriety to both horologist and layman as part of its charm, so your statements are hardly controversial and so there's no reason to batten down the hatches.

4) For someone who rails against assumptions, taking a forum's members' average age to be an indicator of the quality of discussion is irony to a laughable degree. Our youngest member is 14 years old, and I expect that many here will agree that his level of posting maturity (and social skill) exceeds that displayed in your post above.

5) One would have imagined that it was obvious from the hijacked threads, self-deprecative humour and good-natured joshing in this forum that people here have an understanding that it's poor form to take oneself too seriously - that's somebody else's job. Try it some time - I think you'll find life less stressful.

Do try to have a nice and sensible day. The other members here certainly will.

[upyoursebay]

I am far from being a technical person. My deepest respect must go to someone like Mr. Odets and the technical staff here in London that looks after my watches and where, on occasions, I have learnt something new (but, I am afraid, I am still very ignorant). My collection has had a number of Rolex watches: Submariner, Sea-dweller, Yacht-Master, GMT, Explorer, Daytona and a few of the gold ones (by the way – not one keeps the right time). On a daily basis I wear the Submariner although I think the Sea-dweller is probably my favorite. I have no “respect” for the Daytona and I don’t think much of the Yacht-master. I think it is probably easier and shorter to say what I haven’t got – these are – Parmigiani, Patek, Vacheron and Breguet. I prefer Oris to Omega while Bell & Ross is nice but I would say is overpriced. I like Tudor but my favorites are probably Corum and Ulysse Nardin. I have several Zenith, but I prefer a Revue-Thommen flyback against them or even a nice Sothis Spirit of moon.
Rolex is for showing off and, admittedly so, I wear them. But if I read carefully what I like and what I have written, I see that my instinct is attracted by practical somewhat elegant watches and, at the same time, what I very much consider good value for money (hence a Tudor compared to a Rolex - ~ even if the movement is different ~)
In Basel, a few years ago, I picked up a Chinese book on watches. Almost like “reading” Playboy my attention went straight to the pictures and there were some taken with a microscope on components made – IN HOUSE – by Ulysse Nardin. If I can scan them, I will send them to this Forum. In comparison look at the pictures taken but Walt Odets for the Rolex movement and you might understand my skepticism.
If we all get real and do a vivisection on most watches and their components, sadly so, the average price is $150 per piece (including Rolex movement). Hence my trend is to go for brands like Glycine, Oris, Tudor and Revue-Thommen where there is quality but not high prices. The most expensive watch that I have is a gold Rolex with a few diamonds and baguettes at £12,000. My dream for a Parmigiani Toric, Breguet Classique, Patek Sky-moon (VERY nice) and a UN Freak, will only remain dreams.
What I don’t like, apart from some obvious “low class” brands, are – most models of Tag-Heuer (they have been taking the **** for far too long), Paul Picot, Maurice Lacorix, Audemars Piguet, Hublot, Piaget and Ebel, while the Omega (somewhat ok”ish”) doesn’t do anything for me at all.
PS – I drive BMW and not Mercedes (while I think Bentley is probably my favorite) and I was not referring to anyone in the forum as ignorant but to the public at large out there.

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

The advertising “logo/campaign” in Italy (and abroad) for Breil “Don’t touch my Breil” has obviously worked wonders for the millions that like to buy and wear a Breil watch.
This Forum and many others are more like “Don’t touch my Rolex” and a little bit like the three wise monkeys (no see, no hear, no speak) – no one really dares to upset anyone.
As far as I am concerned Breil are just “nasty” watches. Average production cost is around $25 and they sell for $200.
I could say the same for Rolex, but I can’t as many of you will only faint or become hysterical.
Rolex is all about marketing – and a very clever one for that matter.
It is in fact one of the very few companies that advertise (here in UK anyway) on newspapers, magazines and television. Franck Muller is now having a television presence in the form of a nice long advertisement about his watches.
I have read and I have researched and I have come to my own conclusions. A lot of the information out there is wrong and misleading and even the so called famous Dowling or Brozek get their facts wrong and/or without proof.
They too are part of the Rolex marketing machine and only when someone like Walt Odets say something different, the Rolex community goes up in arms.
There is nothing magical and nothing special about Rolex watches. They have of course a lovely style that appeal to many and that “mystical” charisma that has been portrayed as a fairy tale since Hans Wilsdorf was born (and where a lot has only been speculation).
Ignorance has been the fall of many Empires and it is only ignorance that is keeping Rolex name alive and high.
To appreciate Rolex (and Mercedes like someone else has mentioned) – you must also know a lot about the other brands out there. How much does anyone know about Zenith, Ulysse Nardin, Parmigiani, Graham, Corum or even a Bell & Ross? How many of you have driven Mercedes, BMW, Saab, Chrysler, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Lexus and Audi cars? All cars, anyway, that have a status symbol.
Rolex is only a status symbol watch because we let them be and only because the mass media out there recognize the name. Should we go to the pub or night club with a £100,000 Patek or Ulysse Nardin, 99.9% wouldn’t know what the watch is worth. However, if we walk in with a Rolex, everyone thinks that we “are it”.
“I hope this comment stays – as the last one I inserted was actually cancelled”. In one of the forums I found out that the average age of people in the forums is around 39-41 years of age. I will be delighted to entertain positive exchange of ideas with others should anyone wish to ask sensible questions.

Sounds like someone needs a hug

[upyoursebay]

As Geda pointed out “this IS a Rolex forum, and the betting odds, therefore, would be in favor of Rolex's positive image around these parts - shock horror” – well – Yes! Shock AND horror as the word Forum means “a public place for discussions”. If discussions are only going one way and are submitted on behalf of Rolex’s positive image, it isn’t really much of a Forum. ((Is someone getting paid = by Rolex = for these Forums!?))
With reference to “your self-proclaimed role as bearer of the torch of truth” – it may be so but having read so many distorted (inaccurate and speculative) reports and books from all over the place I often wonder why there is such a following on a watch (Submariner for example) that in reality only costs $150 to make.
I buy them, I think they are “crap” for what they are and far too much over rated – but I surely don’t go in ecstasy only by looking at the dial (unlike previous postings on this forum) – i.e. get a life!
Rolex UK gross profits (out of £83,429,000 turnover) for last year were £11,481,000.
Swiss Rolex turnover for 2003 was 2,6000,000,000 CHF – while Rolex’s holding company (Fondation Hans Wilsdorf) is worth some 199,000,000,000 CHF in assets alone. Basically one of the top richest companies in Europe.
It has nothing to do with the torch of truth but with other realities that do not encompass what the brand really is and the movement.

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

As Geda pointed out “this IS a Rolex forum, and the betting odds, therefore, would be in favor of Rolex's positive image around these parts - shock horror” – well – Yes! Shock AND horror as the word Forum means “a public place for discussions”. If discussions are only going one way and are submitted on behalf of Rolex’s positive image, it isn’t really much of a Forum. ((Is someone getting paid = by Rolex = for these Forums!?))
With reference to “your self-proclaimed role as bearer of the torch of truth” – it may be so but having read so many distorted (inaccurate and speculative) reports and books from all over the place I often wonder why there is such a following on a watch (Submariner for example) that in reality only costs $150 to make.
I buy them, I think they are “crap” for what they are and far too much over rated – but I surely don’t go in ecstasy only by looking at the dial (unlike previous postings on this forum) – i.e. get a life!
Rolex UK gross profits (out of £83,429,000 turnover) for last year were £11,481,000.
Swiss Rolex turnover for 2003 was 2,6000,000,000 CHF – while Rolex’s holding company (Fondation Hans Wilsdorf) is worth some 199,000,000,000 CHF in assets alone. Basically one of the top richest companies in Europe.
It has nothing to do with the torch of truth but with other realities that do not encompass what the brand really is and the movement.

So really, what is your point?

People on this forum are passionate about all watches, particularly Rolex. Some perhaps more passionate than others, yes. But there are plenty here to see and discuss Rolex's shortcomings too.

Rolex, like any watch that cost more than $20, is a luxury item. You say you've bought many Rolex and yet call them crap. Why do you buy crap? You also say you drive a BMW when really a Trabant will do exactly the same job, get you from point A to point B.

I really fail to see the point you are making and question the validity of this contribution. BTW, internet forums are not "public" but rather privately owned places for discussion. You may participate until you violate the rules of a forum. We all agree Rolex makes a great watch. If you disagree, that's your right. But I don't understand the need to come to a Rolex forum and piss on the brand. It would be like a Mercedes owner going to a BMW forum and saying BMWs are crap.

What is your agenda please?

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

I buy them, I think they are “crap” for what they are and far too much over rated – but I surely don’t go in ecstasy only by looking at the dial (unlike previous postings on this forum) – i.e. get a life!

Let me get this straight. You know the watch costs twenty times its manufacturing cost, you think it's crap, but you shell out a couple of grand for it anyway? Pardon my pointing out the obvious, but that is a particularly stupid thing to do. Well, either that or you have a masochistic and self-flagellating streak that puts all major Judeo-Christian doctrines to shame. In the latter case, it's fine, but I'll thank you for not spreading your misery around here. That you choose to do so demonstrates that you are the one who needs to get a life. Now that's a dose of reality for you.

A second particularly stupid thing for you to do is, as Atomic pointed out, to go to a Rolex site and dump on the brand. As I have already pointed out, the members here have already demonstrated their awareness and acceptance of the vagaries of Rolex, so there really is no need for you to appoint yourself educator. Again, get a life.

In fact, I'll educate you once again about the nature of this forum. Nobody takes themselves or any of this seriously - if someone wants to drool over MOP or a Leopard print, it's all in good fun and the rest of us take it as such. If you're going to treat it as a life-and-death matter, for the third time, you need to get a life.

I'll be upfront with you, upyours - the moderators have been monitoring your style of posting, and far from being proper discourse, your style of writing is particularly obnoxious. Get one thing clear: the privilege to speak freely is necessarily accompanied by the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. If you lack such wisdom, we have a 14-year-old you could learn plenty from.

By spreading your misery around here, you are trolling, and make no mistake about it - the sense of humour that the other moderators and I have does not extend to tolerating this form of behaviour. I'm giving you official notice that you are on very thin ice, so wind your neck in.

[upyoursebay]

If someone is going to say to me that BMW are no good – I will sit down and listen. I am no mechanic, I only drive the car and I wouldn’t even particularly know what is under the bonnet. I enjoy the comfort, security, quietness and speed of this type of car. Having driven all the others that I have mentioned before, I feel this is the best car for me – but I will still listen to any comments that anyone will think proper to make on BMWs.
Passionate and objective are two very different issues. Passionate does not make me blind in front of comments or other realities.
Why do I buy Rolex? Because it is nice to impress others at meetings and parties. Because, unfortunately, it is all “they” know (philistines)! Same reason why I write with Montblanc pens instead of Aurora.
Of course, when I meet someone that has to tell me a lot about Dubey & Schaldenbrand, I just sit, listen and learn.
The amazing thing is that when I visited Basel with my gold Rolex, even the traders were impressed with the watch. Were they genuinely impressed or did they think it was kitsch? I will never know.
I have my opinions but I also like to learn from the opinions of others. I have come to the conclusion, travel and study have helped, that a Rolex watch is nothing spectacular. It has taken me years and a lot of travel but, in my mind, the conclusion is accurate.
To say that Forums are not "public" but rather privately owned places for discussion – is very much like indoctrinating new comers; similar to what the Christians did with South America and Africa. Give your readers a few glittery glass jewels and they will fill with joy.
Do we really all have to agree with each other? If I am spending (or anyone else for that matter) an £xxxxx amount of money for something that I like, wouldn’t it be fair to state the obvious (reality) instead of tunneling people towards one direction - (at least their choice will not be a regret)
I am not here to give a speech to anyone and I would like to think that those people that are going to spend £2,500 on a watch are going to be mature, honest and intelligent enough to work out their own conclusions (but not if a Forum is a one way street)
In this forum the hymns are on Rolex, on others they can be on Panerai, Breitling or Seiko. Does this mean that I have to agree with all the Forums? How fantastic Breitling or Seiko really are? (Puke! - shoot me first)
There has to be a balance between good and evil, positive and negative and between passionate and objective.
You can, if you want, even try to tell me how good Rolex watches really are; but you must come up with something that I don’t know and also I would like proof of it (which I do with everything, anyway).

[upyoursebay]

As in the most democratic world, of course, you can feel free to delete my postings (as it was done previously, anyway).
Nice knowing you guys !
Cheerio

[JJ Irani]

It's rather early on a Saturday morning here in Auckland, but I've always been a morning person, so I think I'll add my 2 cents (for what its worth) at this stage, after having read all of the above.

Upyoursebay (sheesh....there's gotta be an easier name than that, but the ONLY reason I love it, 'cause it's bashing e-bay!! ),

In all fairness to you, your criticism has been both...constructive and silly at times. On the one hand you bash Rolex into the ground calling it a $150 watch as well as "crap" and then still go out there and buy some. Your points on other brands have been good and noted.

Virtually 99% of us here are aware of the Rolex brand, its ups and downs, its qualities and a few drawbacks....and yet we all love the brand. I know a few guys on other fora who would much prefer OMEGA over Rolex, but that is their choice and I respect that.

So it all boils down to just one basic fact: Irrespective of what we think or know what a Rolex is actually "worth" from the manufacturer's point of view, we look at the quality, the durability, the reliability, the looks, the longevity, the accuracy (which you very erroneously bashed) and...YES...its status symbol.

You very rightly pointed out that if a person walked into a bar sporting a PP or a VC or even an AP, nobody would recognise those brands. But walk in with a Rolex and everyone goes ooh and aah. Good point!! Because that is the truth!!

So that does speak volumes for Rolex's marketing and advertising strategy, but also remember, a product will not sell the way a Rolex sells if it's "crap". No one in his right frame of mind is gonna fork out thousands for "crap"...I'm sure I wouldn't. Having owned 16 Rollies myself and virtually all the models except for the Daytona, I have never been disappointed with any of them - all of them have been simply superb!!

So on that happy note, I shall end this little post of mine and hope that you can fall in with the rest of us and type out some "happy" posts. This is a fun place and, while we are all watch nuts and Rolex enthusiasts, we are also great friends and buddies.

Let's just keep it that way, okay?

Cheers - JJ

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

As in the most democratic world, of course, you can feel free to delete my postings (as it was done previously, anyway).
Nice knowing you guys !
Cheerio

That's your understanding of democracy? This goes simply to show your shallow understanding of the things upon which you pontificate, upyours. In the spirit of democracy, to paraphrase Hall, I don't care much for what you say, but hell, I'm not going to stop you from saying it - with the simple qualification that you extend the same courtesy to others.

All you've demonstrated to this point is your tendency to push your narrow point at the express expense of others' views. As such, pardon me if I take your claim to wish to "listen and learn" from others with a bucket of salt.

You do demonstrate the ability to make some cogent points, I'll give you that. However, it's not the substance of your posts per se that's the problem. Such points can quite easily be made at no cost to the views of others - you simply choose not to behave in a civil manner.

Given your cursory treatment of intellectual material, I suppose I'll have to give you the Dick-and-Jane version of my point: you can make your point without resorting to belittling the views of others, so just cut out the "this person and that person's view is dumb" stuff and we'll get along just fine. Now play nice, hear?

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

Why do I buy Rolex? Because it is nice to impress others at meetings and parties. Because, unfortunately, it is all “they” know (philistines)!

I have come to the conclusion, travel and study have helped, that a Rolex watch is nothing spectacular.

This just about sums this guy up nicely.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Atomic

This just about sums this guy up nicely.

Agreed! Funny, how stupidly some guys can smash a product into the ground, say how much they hate it and then buy the damn thing. For Christ's sake WHY?

Catch me buying something I hate!!!

Classic example: Back home in Bombay, that sh!t of a watch, RADO, was considered a status symbol amongst most communities. LOL!! Catch me buying one of those POSs just to impress people.

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Classic example: Back home in Bombay, that sh!t of a watch, RADO, was considered a status symbol amongst most communities. LOL!! Catch me buying one of those POSs just to impress people.

I believe an esteemed moderator of another Rolex forum not only has an extensive Rado collection, he also owns a fair chunk of their stock.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Atomic

I believe an esteemed moderator of another Rolex forum not only has an extensive Rado collection, he also owns a fair chunk of their stock.

Not sure who you're talking about, pal!

[padi56]

I buy them, I think they are “crap” for what they are and far too much over rated. Why do I buy Rolex? Because it is nice to impress others at meetings and parties. Because, unfortunately, it is all “they” know (philistines)!

Yes would agree with Atomic,Gedanken, and JJ. If I thought a product was genuinely crap.There is no way I would buy it, and certainly not for the prestige factor.Unless you wanted to be a complete hypocrite, against your own thoughts and beliefs.

Cheerio

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

I am not here to give a speech to anyone

Well, I would sure as hell not want to read your posts if you were giving a speech.....

I have read your posts with similar tones on other fora, and quite frankly unless you are going to get off your high horse, please leave.

Thank you.

[BruceS]

Originally Posted by Avalon

Well, I would sure as hell not want to read your posts if you were giving a speech.....

I have read your posts with similar tones on other fora, and quite frankly unless you are going to get off your high horse, please leave.

Thank you.

I agree. I've stayed away this morning because, frankly, I don't need this shite.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by BruceS

I agree. I've stayed away this morning because, frankly, I don't need this shite.

Smart move, Bruce!! Just sit there with that chubby little fella on your lap.

Gosh, I can NEVER get tired of looking at this picture...the cutest sight in the world!!!

[BruceS]

Wish I could mate, but I'm at work and the lil bugger is 35 miles away! Won't be long before I can go see him. I was late this morning so I have to leave early to make up for it

Originally Posted by BruceS

Wish I could mate, but I'm at work and the lil bugger is 35 miles away! Won't be long before I can go see him. I was late this morning so I have to leave early to make up for it

Gotta love working for the government!
BTW, since it's Friday, you took the extra-long lunch, right?

[BruceS]

Originally Posted by Atomic

Gotta love working for the government!
BTW, since it's Friday, you took the extra-long lunch, right?

Nah, I never leave my desk John. I just camp here and eat.

Originally Posted by BruceS

Nah, I never leave my desk John. I just camp here and eat.

Well, time spend here it's really six of one, half dozen of the other.

[BruceS]

So true

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Not sure who you're talking about, pal!

You know... your buddy in the UK who claims he's a lawyer.