Torn between

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by HRPinDC

IMHO there's no dilemma, vintage all the way. Norm up there's got it right, any donk with a wad of cash can go out and buy a new Rolex, but they lack uhh how do you say...je ne sais quoi. Boring! You can't beat the look of a nice aged patina and the lumes sans WG, don't even get me started. Now that's class my friend.

Absolutely! I cringe thinking of getting hit with the loss on selling a BNIB and the appeal of having a BNIB available at any time removes the fun of looking high and low for a '67

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by andromeda160

theres no such thing as a 67 red sub as far as I know. Pretty sure they started in 69. I've seen you posting about getting this 67 and now see your looking towards new. I think you'll be happy with a 67 as long as you get one in good original condition, at least this way you can restore what you want. if your wanting the luminescense of a new one you can always get a service dial or buy a used dial and get it redone(make sure to keep all original parts so you can convert it back.) but go in to a AD and try on a new sub and see how you feel, i'm sure you'll start thinking about the 67 more afterward.

You're right and given a choice with a BNIB and '67 in front of me now, I'll choose the vintage. Thank you for teaching me about the '69 red sub. I wasn't aware of that

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by C6MMVI

Anyone that has the money can go out and buy a new sub. which is fine. But to me there's nothing special in that and I want the watch I wear to be special.
Making the effort in taking the time to educate yourself and hunt for the bestvintage sub you can afford, makes it so much more rewarding for me not to mention the fun.
It's the matte dial and the patina and the plexi that do it for me.
Every time I look at my wrist, I'm back in the 60's and get a great feeling that always brings a smile to my face.
I wasn't getting that from my newer watches, which is probably why I sold off most of my collection.

I know exactly what you mean. Ever since I had my interest piqued by a vintage, searching for one has proven to be fun & frustrating but I'm loving every minute of it. Cheers to the internet!

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by tedscott3

Go vintage. I have done both and vintage just feels better.

I hear you!

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by topjimmi

Get them both (eventually). Problem solved.

On the contrary, only one will get wrist time while the other collects dust in a box. I'd rather have a daily-wear sub that isn't afraid of bumps and scratches and has character.

Knowing me, if I got a BNIB, I would be too cautious getting it dinged or scratched plus all the other points to consider that the kind folks have raised here.

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by Czechman

Don't ever buy a BNIB unless you plan on keeping it forever because the minute you take possession the value goes down considerably. There are some very well connected sellers in the TRF For Sale forum and I'm sure if you told them what you want they could get it to you at a very reasonable price.

IMHO, of course.

Thank you for sharing your experience. This is one of the reasons for my participation in this forum, to learn and seek. I hope to find the right vintage sub and I don't mind waiting.

[vkychoo]

Originally Posted by andromeda160

theres no such thing as a 67 red sub as far as I know. Pretty sure they started in 69. I've seen you posting about getting this 67 and now see your looking towards new. I think you'll be happy with a 67 as long as you get one in good original condition, at least this way you can restore what you want. if your wanting the luminescense of a new one you can always get a service dial or buy a used dial and get it redone(make sure to keep all original parts so you can convert it back.) but go in to a AD and try on a new sub and see how you feel, i'm sure you'll start thinking about the 67 more afterward.

Looking back at this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300841803966...84.m1438.l2649

The seller claims this is a Red 67 Sub

[vkychoo]

As noted on several other threads, there is no red '67 Sub so what is this chap selling?

[Robbyvm]

My MKI red is from 69 and has a serial number 2.09xxx (one of the very early ones)
'67 is not possible... he doesn't know what he is selling

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

My MKI red is from 69 and has a serial number 2.09xxx (one of the very early ones)
'67 is not possible... he doesn't know what he is selling

As Robby mentioned I believe that '69 is the first year of the Sub . . .

HAGOne

[vkychoo]

I'm so glad that there are so many experts on this forum. Just goes to show that even watch dealers make mistakes sometimes.

[vkychoo]

Beautiful watch!

Originally Posted by Robbyvm

My MKI red is from 69 and has a serial number 2.09xxx (one of the very early ones)
'67 is not possible... he doesn't know what he is selling

[vkychoo]

Yes several forum members have stated that.

Originally Posted by Kingair

As Robby mentioned I believe that '69 is the first year of the Sub . . .

HAGOne

[LeOnfromtheblock]

Some people are just drawn to things vintage. Be it cars, watches, clothing, etc.. if you're a vintage man, go vintage. If you prefer owning the latest technology and having something 100% new and shinny with no markings/scrapes, then get a bnib modern sub.

For me, matte over gloss all day

[Gregcar]

Go vintage

[Warnsboy]

IMHO....the best 1967 vintage out there is a 1675-Mark I - Matte dialed - GMT......You should be able to find a very nice example for $5K to $6K.

[vkychoo]

I hear you

Originally Posted by LeOnfromtheblock

Some people are just drawn to things vintage. Be it cars, watches, clothing, etc.. if you're a vintage man, go vintage. If you prefer owning the latest technology and having something 100% new and shinny with no markings/scrapes, then get a bnib modern sub.

For me, matte over gloss all day

[vkychoo]

Yeah, I've already set my sights in that direction

Originally Posted by Gregcar

Go vintage

[vkychoo]

You're right but I have my heart set on a Sub

Originally Posted by Warnsboy

IMHO....the best 1967 vintage out there is a 1675-Mark I - Matte dialed - GMT......You should be able to find a very nice example for $5K to $6K.

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by vkychoo

the nostalgia of getting a birth year vintage sub and the benefits of a BNIB sub

What a dilemma!

How did you resolve this jeopardy?

By wasting years buying new ones and still longing for a classic vintage one (or two).

There are no real tangible 'benefits' of buying a new one, assuming you can get an excellent vintage one. By 'excellent' I obviously mean a superb example, in great working order, and serviced and tested. They both tell the time accurately, and are waterproof. Not much has changed, fundamentally.

So, do you get a new one, or one which means something to you (birth year), which you have some connection to, and which has 'soul' - something a little less ubiquitous? Having mentioned 'nostalgia' my guess is that you're like the rest of us vintage lovers who admire the charm and coolness of the Rolex sports watches of decades gone by. Save yourself some time and money and go straight to what your heart desires. Don't let your head tell you 'new is better'. That's my advice, from experience.

[vkychoo]

Thank you for sharing your experience sir!

Originally Posted by Vincent65

By wasting years buying new ones and still longing for a classic vintage one (or two).

There are no real tangible 'benefits' of buying a new one, assuming you can get an excellent vintage one. By 'excellent' I obviously mean a superb example, in great working order, and serviced and tested. They both tell the time accurately, and are waterproof. Not much has changed, fundamentally.

So, do you get a new one, or one which means something to you (birth year), which you have some connection to, and which has 'soul' - something a little less ubiquitous? Having mentioned 'nostalgia' my guess is that you're like the rest of us vintage lovers who admire the charm and coolness of the Rolex sports watches of decades gone by. Save yourself some time and money and go straight to what your heart desires. Don't let your head tell you 'new is better'. That's my advice, from experience.

[adt]

Originally Posted by vkychoo

Thank you for sharing your experience sir!

I would buy a vintage from a reputable dealer with no worries. Start by buying from the right people instead of eBay. This is a sure way to save money if you do not know all the ins and outs of vintage. Or you could take it step by step and learn slowly and make it a longer term purchase however, you could make a mistake but I guess the forum is here for you to ask for opinion before you pull the trigger.

If you just want a good honest '67 Sub buying from Eric Ku, Andrew Shear or Jedly would be the smart move to make. Buying on your own or from non reputable dealers, you really need to know your stuff regarding serial ranges, hands, dials, crowns, inserts, movement numbers and what not.

BNIB just has no character at all and requires no effort. However, it does have it's plus points in usability.

Andrew

[vkychoo]

Thank you for sharing your experience.

I am in discussion with Ben Sin (Hong Kong) and Jacek (San Francisco) about a possible Tudoe snowflake or '67 Sub.

I am really enjoying the process and particularly how these two gentlemen are not pushy / hard sales talk and really helping me find the right one.

Originally Posted by adt

I would buy a vintage from a reputable dealer with no worries. Start by buying from the right people instead of eBay. This is a sure way to save money if you do not know all the ins and outs of vintage. Or you could take it step by step and learn slowly and make it a longer term purchase however, you could make a mistake but I guess the forum is here for you to ask for opinion before you pull the trigger.

If you just want a good honest '67 Sub buying from Eric Ku, Andrew Shear or Jedly would be the smart move to make. Buying on your own or from non reputable dealers, you really need to know your stuff regarding serial ranges, hands, dials, crowns, inserts, movement numbers and what not.

BNIB just has no character at all and requires no effort. However, it does have it's plus points in usability.

Andrew