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AK797 · 29 April 2014, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

They are both pricey for basic steel watches Neil!

PS. I would also recommend considering a 5980R if you are thinking of RG watch. It is my favorite Nautilus and on the wrist it is absolutely mesmerizing!

Haha, true say, my friend. I just wanted him to get a RG Nautilus, as I do, as I know you well understand with your stunning 5980r.

HL65 · 29 April 2014, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Haha, true say, my friend. I just wanted him to get a RG Nautilus, as I do, as I know you well understand with your stunning 5980r.

Nurv1717 · 29 April 2014, 06:08 AM

I was set on a white dial 5711 as my next watch and my local AD even had one to try on, but the bracelet just felt too flimsy for me. Now I know it is beautifully crafted and elegant, but it lacked the sturdiness I would want in an all stainless watch.

mimo5000 · 29 April 2014, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurv1717

I was set on a white dial 5711 as my next watch and my local AD even had one to try on, but the bracelet just felt too flimsy for me. Now I know it is beautifully crafted and elegant, but it lacked the sturdiness I would want in an all stainless watch.

I had heard the same about the 15202, based on TRF comments. But I didn't feel that way when I tried it on.

Do you feel the 5711 bracelet is less sturdy than the 15202?

mimo5000 · 29 April 2014, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Haha, true say, my friend. I just wanted him to get a RG Nautilus, as I do, as I know you well understand with your stunning 5980r.

Bring on the enabling!!

I definitely want an RG PP, probably will be the 5712 for me...just not this year!

mimo5000 · 29 April 2014, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

They are truly both amazing watches, however these few points made the choice simple for me:

AP 1972. (Patek 1976)
AP using original JLC movement (patek once used the same movement but now uses 324)
AP case finishing is the finest i have ever seen .
AP case construction uses the 8 screws to access & service watch as originally designed (patek has since added a screw in caseback) both have added sapphire back to view movement.

Thanks. You absolutely hit all the points (plus a few new ones to consider, I.e., the case construction comments) that have made me originally consider the 15202...even before thoughts of the 5711 came into my head.

Nurv1717 · 29 April 2014, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mimo5000

I had heard the same about the 15202, based on TRF comments. But I didn't feel that way when I tried it on.

Do you feel the 5711 bracelet is less sturdy than the 15202?

To be honest I don't recall having tried on the 15202, so I wasn't comparing the two per se. I just didn't feel like the 5711 was what I like in a sports type watch bracelet wise. It was comfortable, but for me personally I just didn't love it. I have tried on the 15400 and 15300 though and those both felt rock solid to me. I would have preferred more weight and heft to the 5711 bracelet essentially.

Fiery · 29 April 2014, 06:41 AM

Had the same dilemma back in 2011, although it was more about 5711 vs. 15300ST. I eventually went for the RO, on the basis that it felt more sporty and more special on the wrist. I never regretted it.

(Strictly IMHO) Patek is at its best when it comes to complications, so it is best to reserve your complicated watch purchase budget for a Patek. AP (and Rolex as well, for that matter) does wonders with 2-hand and 3-hand watches, and they make much better sports watches (again: IMHO) than Patek.

Get the SS Jumbo now, and save up for a gold Patek. I'd pick a more complicated, less of a Nautilus piece though, like a 5146, 5960 or 3940.

orangedial · 29 April 2014, 12:45 PM

I would opt for option 1, simply because RO is the one that defines luxury sports watch, and Nautilus followed suit later

DreambreaX · 29 April 2014, 03:11 PM

jumbo

Dcmk · 29 April 2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by orangedial

I would opt for option 1, simply because RO is the one that defines luxury sports watch, and Nautilus followed suit later

That's true - AP was the First & trailblazer.. Patek followed and copied the success later on only ..

RussW · 1 May 2014, 09:17 AM

Both great watches and the 15202 is one of my favourite APs. I slightly prefer the 5711 though. Also be aware that the 15202 does not have a quick set date and has a lower water resistance (and no screw in crown), in case either of those are important to you.

HL65 · 1 May 2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RussW

Both great watches and the 15202 is one of my favourite APs. I slightly prefer the 5711 though. Also be aware that the 15202 does not have a quick set date and has a lower water resistance (and no screw in crown), in case either of those are important to you.

Yes but the date is so easy to set as you only have to bring it back before 12:00 and advance it and repeat so changes date rather quickly. Not like manually setting date on vintage Rolex or other non quickset that requires 24 hour rotation which really stinks!!

RussW · 1 May 2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Yes but the date is so easy to set as you only have to bring it back before 12:00 and advance it and repeat so changes date rather quickly. Not like manually setting date on vintage Rolex or other non quickset that requires 24 hour rotation which really stinks!!

Thanks for clarifying Ken, I thought it required a 24 hour rotation. Not a big deal then.

mimo5000 · 1 May 2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Yes but the date is so easy to set as you only have to bring it back before 12:00 and advance it and repeat so changes date rather quickly. Not like manually setting date on vintage Rolex or other non quickset that requires 24 hour rotation which really stinks!!

That's good to know. Thanks!

vman · 1 May 2014, 02:16 PM

I would choose Patek. I tried one on and could barely take it off :-) Had it not been for 20K+ out of the door, I would have kept it. The flatness of the case and the quality of the bracelet are stunning. If you could make cashmere out of steel, this would be it.

mimo5000 · 2 May 2014, 12:12 AM

Here's a new question. Which one is more of a scratch magnet?

The initial question I posed asking for comparisons of the two was based on a spotting of a 5711 in the wild. The wearer had no concerns wearing his 5711 on the Sandy beach playing with his kids and swimming in the ocean...I mean c'mon, it's not like this is a Rolex!!

AK797 · 2 May 2014, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mimo5000

Here's a new question. Which one is more of a scratch magnet?

The initial question I posed asking for comparisons of the two was based on a spotting of a 5711 in the wild. The wearer had no concerns wearing his 5711 on the Sandy beach playing with his kids and swimming in the ocean...I mean c'mon, it's not like this is a Rolex!!

The 5711 is much slimmer so would be protected more against scratches. But neither are like the thicker ROO which you are always banging into things.

subtona · 2 May 2014, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mimo5000

Here's a new question. Which one is more of a scratch magnet?

The initial question I posed asking for comparisons of the two was based on a spotting of a 5711 in the wild. The wearer had no concerns wearing his 5711 on the Sandy beach playing with his kids and swimming in the ocean...I mean c'mon, it's not like this is a Rolex!!

I must confess that i would be a bit concerned with my 15202 at the beach due to the lack of the screw down crown, as far as scratches...i dont think about em. I would guess the case of the AP would and the bracelet of the Patek would show the most scratches

iLLGT2 · 2 May 2014, 09:01 AM

15202 no hesitation

cger · 3 May 2014, 04:11 PM

Nautilus works better for smaller wrists, but in the end it's a personal preference.

Wangensten · 4 May 2014, 05:26 AM

For one watch I think i would have gone with the 5711.
Or two, the 15202/15300 and 5167.

texex91 · 4 May 2014, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wangensten

For one watch I think i would have gone with the 5711.
Or two, the 15202/15300 and 5167.

That's a table full of goodness!

TSW · 4 May 2014, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

They are both pricey for basic steel watches Neil!

As for which one to get? I got the 15202 first and then added the 5711 and together they make a fantastic SS Genta duo! As for which one if only one---such a tough call and ever so personal. You need to try them on to get a feel for them but the problem is you will not be able to try a 5711 on as they are close to impossible to find! It could come down to availability and the 5711 is a tough one to hunt down. Either way they are both amazing in their own right and no way to lose with either of them.

PS. I would also recommend considering a 5980R if you are thinking of RG watch. It is my favorite Nautilus and on the wrist it is absolutely mesmerizing!

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33JS · 4 May 2014, 05:45 PM

Has to be the AP. I think the Nautilus would be overlooked almost entirely if it wasn't for the name on the face.

bayerische · 4 May 2014, 07:00 PM

Having two AP's already (myself) I would have picked the Nautilus.

DreambreaX · 5 May 2014, 01:36 AM

I dont like the nautilus.

AP is better. but for the price I would pick rolex submariner, its the most legendary and popular watch. its classy and strong for everyday use. its a tank.

mimo5000 · 5 May 2014, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DreambreaX

I dont like the nautilus.

AP is better. but for the price I would pick rolex submariner, its the most legendary and popular watch. its classy and strong for everyday use. its a tank.

I already have one....and wearing it right now!

mimo5000 · 5 May 2014, 01:55 AM

So now I'm contemplating taking this a step further. Not at all convinced yet, but mulling the idea of selling a couple pieces and jumping right into the 5712R.

The two to go would be my RG IWC Portuguese and JLC MCC2.

Thoughts on this approach?

AK797 · 5 May 2014, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mimo5000

So now I'm contemplating taking this a step further. Not at all convinced yet, but mulling the idea of selling a couple pieces and jumping right into the 5712R.

The two to go would be my RG IWC Portuguese and JLC MCC2.

Thoughts on this approach?

That's what I would do, and am planning to do later this year, go for it!

This video shows the 5712r off beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlw3OimlzY

29 April 2014, 06:41 AM	#38
Fiery "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Europe Watch: Sub-C 116610LN Posts: 2,649	Had the same dilemma back in 2011, although it was more about 5711 vs. 15300ST. I eventually went for the RO, on the basis that it felt more sporty and more special on the wrist. I never regretted it. (Strictly IMHO) Patek is at its best when it comes to complications, so it is best to reserve your complicated watch purchase budget for a Patek. AP (and Rolex as well, for that matter) does wonders with 2-hand and 3-hand watches, and they make much better sports watches (again: IMHO) than Patek. Get the SS Jumbo now, and save up for a gold Patek. I'd pick a more complicated, less of a Nautilus piece though, like a 5146, 5960 or 3940. __________________ "In an age of obsolescence and gimmickry, this simple classic virtue of a Rolex is indeed a rarity." (Rolex ad from 1974)

4 May 2014, 07:00 PM	#56
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Having two AP's already (myself) I would have picked the Nautilus. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

29 April 2014, 06:08 AM	#33
Nurv1717 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 63	I was set on a white dial 5711 as my next watch and my local AD even had one to try on, but the bracelet just felt too flimsy for me. Now I know it is beautifully crafted and elegant, but it lacked the sturdiness I would want in an all stainless watch.

29 April 2014, 12:45 PM	#39
orangedial "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Wayne Location: Singapore Watch: AP, PP, Rolex Posts: 1,791	I would opt for option 1, simply because RO is the one that defines luxury sports watch, and Nautilus followed suit later

29 April 2014, 03:11 PM	#40
DreambreaX Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rolex Estate Posts: 1,304	jumbo

1 May 2014, 09:17 AM	#42
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,351	Both great watches and the 15202 is one of my favourite APs. I slightly prefer the 5711 though. Also be aware that the 15202 does not have a quick set date and has a lower water resistance (and no screw in crown), in case either of those are important to you.

1 May 2014, 02:16 PM	#46
vman 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Capt Swerve Location: North Carolina Watch: less TV Posts: 2,230	I would choose Patek. I tried one on and could barely take it off :-) Had it not been for 20K+ out of the door, I would have kept it. The flatness of the case and the quality of the bracelet are stunning. If you could make cashmere out of steel, this would be it.

2 May 2014, 12:12 AM	#47
mimo5000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Watch: all of them Posts: 653	Here's a new question. Which one is more of a scratch magnet? The initial question I posed asking for comparisons of the two was based on a spotting of a 5711 in the wild. The wearer had no concerns wearing his 5711 on the Sandy beach playing with his kids and swimming in the ocean...I mean c'mon, it's not like this is a Rolex!!

2 May 2014, 09:01 AM	#50
iLLGT2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Martin Location: NY And FLA Watch: AP ROO Blue Scuba Posts: 2,695	15202 no hesitation

3 May 2014, 04:11 PM	#51
cger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Southern CA Posts: 53	Nautilus works better for smaller wrists, but in the end it's a personal preference.

4 May 2014, 05:26 AM	#52
Wangensten "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Oslo, Norway Watch: JLC 1931, AP 15300 Posts: 69	For one watch I think i would have gone with the 5711. Or two, the 15202/15300 and 5167.

4 May 2014, 05:45 PM	#55
33JS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: John Location: Scotland Watch: SD 50th Ann Posts: 444	Has to be the AP. I think the Nautilus would be overlooked almost entirely if it wasn't for the name on the face.

5 May 2014, 01:36 AM	#57
DreambreaX Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rolex Estate Posts: 1,304	I dont like the nautilus. AP is better. but for the price I would pick rolex submariner, its the most legendary and popular watch. its classy and strong for everyday use. its a tank.

5 May 2014, 01:55 AM	#59
mimo5000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Watch: all of them Posts: 653	So now I'm contemplating taking this a step further. Not at all convinced yet, but mulling the idea of selling a couple pieces and jumping right into the 5712R. The two to go would be my RG IWC Portuguese and JLC MCC2. Thoughts on this approach?

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