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14060m · 23 August 2014, 06:06 AM

Mmm
Not sure I have a subc date
Bu do like the SD4000

sportsmaven20 · 23 August 2014, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oryx

is this the sub-dweller that popped up at an AD in Norway?

Any views on the relative thickness of the SD4000 versus the ND Sub-C? Isn't the ND -Sub C a lot more comfortable and more discrete?

It is...I'm looking forward to see the outcome of this Sub4000 sighting.

Either this is a Rolex error or perhaps a bezel option...stay tuned!

regnant · 23 August 2014, 07:13 AM

Sd 4000

FTX I · 23 August 2014, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsmaven20

It is...I'm looking forward to see the outcome of this Sub4000 sighting.

Either this is a Rolex error or perhaps a bezel option...stay tuned!

If this is a new bezel option it will be quite surprising, but I don't think it's impossible. They replaced the flat blue dial for the sunburst in a short period of time.

Danex · 23 August 2014, 07:51 AM

Subc No Date is my choice, and I love owning it.
Great thread. Thanks OP for helping me to think more clearly about the SD. Here is my rationale. The two watches are indeed very similar, along with the Subc Date. Whatever extra the SD offers, I don't care for,
1) Date complication,
2) Slightly more awesome bracelet,
3) Helium escape valve and another 3700 feet

,
4) A few more tics on the bezel, and a less glossy dial,
5) Plus $2,900 more retail price ($10,400-$7,500) & $1,850 more than Subc Date
Did I miss anything? I'd really like to know if there is more to the SD4000 that sets it apart.

I think the new SD4000, would be a much more desirable watch if Rolex had sized it up to 42mm, like they did to the Explorer II. There just isn't enough meaningful differentiation, IMHO.

submariner123 · 23 August 2014, 09:23 AM

Sub any day. Cheaper, wears larger and the SD has that horrible matte black dial.

Eric Chan · 23 August 2014, 09:26 AM

Submariner. Love it even more since it was released with the upgrades back in 2012. Clean, simple and the gloss black dial is perfect.

thomas7610 · 23 August 2014, 09:44 AM

Sub all the way. I love the clean classic look so much that I have two 114060s. One with bracelet and another with nato strap. Ths SDc would be nice if it were 42mm.

busytimmy · 23 August 2014, 10:02 AM

114060 is a modern day classic. It's a better all round watch, I think.

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Stop-Watching · 23 August 2014, 10:10 AM

I wonder why folds would pick SubC ND over SD4000. For me its SD4000 all the way!

nauticajoe · 23 August 2014, 10:15 AM

Definitely the SD for me.

Speed · 23 August 2014, 10:48 AM

Is pick ceramic Sea Dweller as well.

However, I'd pick the 16600 over the SDCeramic. I do like the satin dial though.

leicashot · 23 August 2014, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psmith

I took the liberty of resizing the picture...

Notice how the hour markers and hands pop a little more on the SD? I found this to be a noticeable factor when comparing them personally

leicashot · 23 August 2014, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oryx

is this the sub-dweller that popped up at an AD in Norway?

Any views on the relative thickness of the SD4000 versus the ND Sub-C? Isn't the ND -Sub C a lot more comfortable and more discrete?

I've compared both resized and the weight of the SD is noticeable in comparison to the much lighter feeling Sub....but due to the slimmer lugs on the SD, I can fit it tighter for a more comfortable fit that doesn't move on the worst and doesn't need to be adjusted, unlike the Sub. I know this sounds strange but its true, at least on my 6.75inch wrist.

leicashot · 23 August 2014, 11:59 AM

Yes the Satin dial is extremely horrible - way too much legibility for a diver LOL

GradyPhilpott · 23 August 2014, 02:20 PM

114060 by a mile.

luvsub · 23 August 2014, 02:23 PM

SDc

timenut · 24 January 2015, 09:36 PM

Googled the 2 watches and was directed to this thread. Thanks for posting the photo for comparison.

I am currently looking to buy one of these. Leaning towards the SD4000 atm, but haven't quite decide just yet. I do like the simplicity of SubC ND, but do not fancy the look of the thick lugs.

Oryx · 25 January 2015, 06:41 AM

I have postulated over this for months! I have the 114060 and the 16600 so didn't go for the 116600 but every time I see it I get very tempted!

2106 · 25 January 2015, 07:02 AM

subc for the dial and symmetry

rollerball · 26 January 2015, 12:12 PM

Submariner-> Nicer name. Sea Dweller sounds like being descended into the depth of the sea and never coming up...not too good.

sea-dweller · 26 January 2015, 12:17 PM

Both great watches!

1995akcoop · 26 January 2015, 12:31 PM

love the lug ratio on the SD4k. seems like im always bumping into stuff with my subc

nldosz · 26 January 2015, 12:42 PM

SD4000 for me, not a fan of the fat lugs on the SubC

domrusso10 · 26 January 2015, 12:47 PM

Sub all the way

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RHIII · 26 January 2015, 01:09 PM

Sea Dweller

doc.kool · 26 January 2015, 01:11 PM

Sub for me. Can't go wrong with either though.

Catyack · 26 January 2015, 01:21 PM

The Sub looks lopsided and boring. SD with the easy win.

S2000_driver · 26 January 2015, 06:15 PM

SD4000! Best Rolex diver among they current offerings IMO. The lug to bracelet transition on the ceramic subs is too awkward looking for me.

Nitedeuce · 26 January 2015, 06:40 PM

I have both, and both are great watches. The Sub was a gift and I'll never get rid of it. It's also an older model with the smaller lugs (and lug holes) which I prefer. However, the new Sea Dweller is my favorite for every day. I like the matt dial, the additional markers on the bezel set it apart from the masses of Subs out there and to me makes it a bit less glossy. I prefer less bling and more tool watch attitude. The Deep Sea is the ultimate tool watch but too big for me, so Sea Dweller 4000 it is!

23 August 2014, 06:06 AM	#31
14060m "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Watch: 116610 , 16233 Posts: 1,802	Mmm Not sure I have a subc date Bu do like the SD4000 __________________

23 August 2014, 07:51 AM	#35
Danex "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Dan O Location: Park City, UT Watch: Cosmograph Daytona Posts: 741	Subc No Date is my choice, and I love owning it. Great thread. Thanks OP for helping me to think more clearly about the SD. Here is my rationale. The two watches are indeed very similar, along with the Subc Date. Whatever extra the SD offers, I don't care for, 1) Date complication, 2) Slightly more awesome bracelet, 3) Helium escape valve and another 3700 feet , 4) A few more tics on the bezel, and a less glossy dial, 5) Plus $2,900 more retail price ($10,400-$7,500) & $1,850 more than Subc Date Did I miss anything? I'd really like to know if there is more to the SD4000 that sets it apart. I think the new SD4000, would be a much more desirable watch if Rolex had sized it up to 42mm, like they did to the Explorer II. There just isn't enough meaningful differentiation, IMHO. __________________ -Dan, WIS In Training 116520 Cosmograph Daytona 116622 & 16622 Yacht-Master 114060 & 14060 Submariner

23 August 2014, 10:10 AM	#40
Stop-Watching "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: D.C Watch: Stoping? Posts: 52	I wonder why folds would pick SubC ND over SD4000. For me its SD4000 all the way! __________________ Rolex SS Daytona (White) - 116520 Rolex SS Sub LV - 16610LV IWC Portuguese 7 Day Santoni Strap - Laureus "Blue" LE - IW500112 Breitling 44 GMT Chronomat - AB0420 Oris Aquis Date

23 August 2014, 02:20 PM	#46
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,449	114060 by a mile. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

26 January 2015, 06:40 PM	#60
Nitedeuce "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Watch: Rolex VC JLC IWC Posts: 452	I have both, and both are great watches. The Sub was a gift and I'll never get rid of it. It's also an older model with the smaller lugs (and lug holes) which I prefer. However, the new Sea Dweller is my favorite for every day. I like the matt dial, the additional markers on the bezel set it apart from the masses of Subs out there and to me makes it a bit less glossy. I prefer less bling and more tool watch attitude. The Deep Sea is the ultimate tool watch but too big for me, so Sea Dweller 4000 it is! __________________ "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - Ernest Hemingway

23 August 2014, 07:13 AM	#33
regnant "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Close to Rolex AD Posts: 3,474	Sd 4000

23 August 2014, 09:23 AM	#36
submariner123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Thomas Location: England Watch: 116610LN Posts: 643	Sub any day. Cheaper, wears larger and the SD has that horrible matte black dial.

23 August 2014, 09:26 AM	#37
Eric Chan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Eric Chan Location: Vancouver, BC CAN Watch: Day-Date 118238 Posts: 8,798	Submariner. Love it even more since it was released with the upgrades back in 2012. Clean, simple and the gloss black dial is perfect.

23 August 2014, 09:44 AM	#38
thomas7610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: TAIWAN Posts: 5	Sub all the way. I love the clean classic look so much that I have two 114060s. One with bracelet and another with nato strap. Ths SDc would be nice if it were 42mm.

23 August 2014, 10:02 AM	#39
busytimmy "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 3,745	114060 is a modern day classic. It's a better all round watch, I think. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

23 August 2014, 10:15 AM	#41
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Definitely the SD for me.

23 August 2014, 10:48 AM	#42
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Is pick ceramic Sea Dweller as well. However, I'd pick the 16600 over the SDCeramic. I do like the satin dial though.

23 August 2014, 11:59 AM	#45
leicashot "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne Watch: SEIKO SLA033 Posts: 665	Yes the Satin dial is extremely horrible - way too much legibility for a diver LOL

23 August 2014, 02:23 PM	#47
luvsub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SF, south bay Posts: 5,221	SDc

24 January 2015, 09:36 PM	#48
timenut "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Malaysia Posts: 55	Googled the 2 watches and was directed to this thread. Thanks for posting the photo for comparison. I am currently looking to buy one of these. Leaning towards the SD4000 atm, but haven't quite decide just yet. I do like the simplicity of SubC ND, but do not fancy the look of the thick lugs.

25 January 2015, 06:41 AM	#49
Oryx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,894	I have postulated over this for months! I have the 114060 and the 16600 so didn't go for the 116600 but every time I see it I get very tempted!

25 January 2015, 07:02 AM	#50
2106 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Watch: SubC 114060 Posts: 486	subc for the dial and symmetry

26 January 2015, 12:12 PM	#51
rollerball Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 245	Submariner-> Nicer name. Sea Dweller sounds like being descended into the depth of the sea and never coming up...not too good.

26 January 2015, 12:17 PM	#52
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Both great watches!

26 January 2015, 12:31 PM	#53
1995akcoop "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,162	love the lug ratio on the SD4k. seems like im always bumping into stuff with my subc

26 January 2015, 12:42 PM	#54
nldosz "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Arnaldo Location: CT Watch: Rolex Sea Dweller Posts: 130	SD4000 for me, not a fan of the fat lugs on the SubC

26 January 2015, 12:47 PM	#55
domrusso10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: new york Watch: 116334 & 116610 Posts: 1,310	Sub all the way Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

26 January 2015, 01:09 PM	#56
RHIII Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Roger Location: ... Watch: AP/Rolex/PP Posts: 6,309	Sea Dweller

26 January 2015, 01:11 PM	#57
doc.kool "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 610	Sub for me. Can't go wrong with either though.

26 January 2015, 01:21 PM	#58
Catyack Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Gone Posts: 217	The Sub looks lopsided and boring. SD with the easy win.

26 January 2015, 06:15 PM	#59
S2000_driver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: So Cal Posts: 268	SD4000! Best Rolex diver among they current offerings IMO. The lug to bracelet transition on the ceramic subs is too awkward looking for me.

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