Storing my Rolex Submariner Question

[Britexpat76]

Originally Posted by padi56

IMHO watch winders are not needed with any Rolex watch and are little more than big boys toys its that simple.

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Here ya' go, pay particular attention to #4:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....0&postcount=57

#2 was more of an eye-opener for me. All good solid advice and, in the case of #4, common sense IMHO.

Thanks for sharing

[watchwatcher]

No need for the unnecessary wear and tear on the movement.

[Lord]

...well... I don't know how you can take your sub off. Mine is welded to my person, never to be removed; if fact I think it would require an SF team, some quick acting sedatives and a surgeon!

Seriously though, I've considered a watch winder many times but never been too successful with rotation so most autos normally live in the box or safe, and to my mind they're gone to so infrequently, a hand wind and set is no chore at all.

In short: not needed in my scenario.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Lord

...well... I don't know how you can take your sub off. Mine is welded to my person, never to be removed; if fact I think it would require an SF team, some quick acting sedatives and a surgeon!...

So I take it you don't have your watch serviced every 5-7 years, or is the RSC service covered by your health insurance?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Sublover2166

Regardless of winder or not seals and gaskets in watch dry and harden up over time so waterproofness will be compromised. A winder has not been shown to wear out a movement any faster than not wearing the watch. How many instances have you read on this forum someone winding up their watch when something inside goes "snap"? When the mainspring stays fully wound on a winder it keeps the movement at peak accuracy and the mainspring is less likely to break than if it is always going from a wound to unwound back to wound state.
So as far as my opinion my two Subs stay on my winder and stay fully wound and
Properly set regardless of whether I wear them or not.

Afraid that not correct a winder does not wind any watch all it does is just keep the movement ticking.On a winder it only puts back the power reserve to what ever the mainspring had to start with,in most all programmed machine winders less.If a movement is running its wearing that's a fact,and things like seals and mainsprings are just disposable items that are always changed at routine service anyway.Just think of all the millions of manual wind watches Rolex included, they got would up daily for decades.And a automatic watch is just a manual wind watch with a auto wind mechanism and today most crown related problems are down to the winding crown not being used enough.

[Lord]

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

So I take it you don't have your watch serviced every 5-7 years, or is the RSC service covered by your health insurance?

ask me in 4 years 362 days - only had the sub since friday!

[Majin Buu]

Hi !
I store my watches dial down, since, from my POV, they where put together and oiled this way, hence the oil will stay where is needed!

It has worked on watches stored for years and the work great!

Cheers !

MB

[Blubarb]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.

Good way to think about it.

[sutats]

Use a watch winder if you can afford to buy and run it. It would save you time as your watches will always be ready to wear and it also saves the wear and tear of having to set the time every time.

The huge benefit of watch winders is when used with annual and perpetual calendar watches where they have very delicate movements and an array of settings which takes time to adjust carefully.

That being said, in today's world I'd be surprised if the oils used in high horology weren't super engineered from degradation from inactivity.

[N5XTC]

Originally Posted by Vietnam special vet

I"m going to follow your advice, and enjoy wearing my sub, on a daily basis....

I have two rolex, 2008 sub and a explorer MK2. simple solution, i do a Schwarzkopf and where one on each wrist.

[DWNVTEC]

Nice

[milgauss1349]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.

Great answer, wish others had put it so well! Thanks


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[belutak]

Originally Posted by Hatman14

The lubricants used now are synthetic not natural so don't coagulate like they used to, you can leave them for ages and they will be fine, they can dry up but they will over time anyway, it's good to give the crown a few turns to get the movement going every so often, that's what I do to my watches I don't wear often. I used to use winders too but it's not really needed unless you have a perpetual calendar etc.
Remember watches are meant to beat 24/7 so they will be fine. At the same time watches can be be in a shop for ages before being sold and wound. And they still work fine when sold


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Not really. Often watches that were kept in store for a long time do not keep time well and need first service sooner then normal.

There is more mechanical stress on movement parts in pulling the crown, setting time and winding from fully unwound then when keeping it in the winder.


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[belutak]

Originally Posted by Britexpat76

Incorrect.


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[AlexBrown]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Your choice, there's no "correct" way.

[MayerFineJewlery]

Leave it and when you’re ready to wear it just wind it back up, no harm.

[HiDive]

I have nine automatic watches, so obviously they can not all be worn. I trade out between them on about a weekly basis and I do not wear any of them to work because it is to likely that they would be damaged. I wear a G-Shock at work, and while diving at work I do not wear a watch, unless it is a deep emergency situation. Normal diving depths at work are about 15 feet maximum.
I do not believe that winders are the best way to go but I am concerned that some of the lubricants in the watch movements do not get circulated enough. So, my normal practice is to wind every watch fully about every two weeks.

[Ny325]

My friend is a watchmaker for Rolex. She told me to let it stop.

[Andad]

An old thread:

[QUOTE=belutak;9788070]Not really. Often watches that were kept in store for a long time do not keep time well and need first service sooner then normal.

Some a Rolex watches sit unsold at AD’s for years.
They have no wear when not running and the latest lubricants are excellent.
There are no stats I have found that states their precision changes during this time and that a service is required sooner than a watch that is worn every day.


There is more mechanical stress on movement parts in pulling the crown, setting time and winding from fully unwound then when keeping it in the winder.

When you remove your Rolex from the winder after a few days (or weeks) you would probably unscrew the crown, sync the time and a date change may also be required.
In any event there is no need to wind it, just give it few turns to start it.
It will wind up on your wrist.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by HiDive

I do not believe that winders are the best way to go but I am concerned that some of the lubricants in the watch movements do not get circulated enough. So, my normal practice is to wind every watch fully about every two weeks.

Well, you are not going to hurt them winding every two weeks. And it is enjoyable. So, if it works for you, excellent.

[watchdogitalia]

As any good watchmaker will tell you , do not leave it stopped for a long time.

Get the hands moving once a month by shaking or winding it enough that is runs for a few hours to keep the oil and moving parts, gears and wheels from getting gummed up.

Watch winders are a huge no no for stored watches as you are constantly keeping an unworn watch running needlessly and wearing out the parts.

If you stored your car for a while would you put it on the indy 500 , 24 hours a day rotating the track ? Watch winders are only useful if you are wearing multiple watches during the week and are changing out every day or so,

[Tubman]

Bit of a twist on this old chestnut!
Anyone recommend a decent 4 watch winder thats BATTERY powered.
The insurers insist my small collection must go in a safe when not worn !

[Mandy01]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

I have been asked this many times and I think I have the "best" answer.

Scenario 1: You do not put it on a winder, the watch needs to be manually set every time. Depending on time in storage, oils can coagulate, dry up and require service over time.

Scenario 2: You keep it on a winder, you rarely ever have to change the date and time and the oils are constantly being used. You are also putting 100 times the wear on the moving parts, gears, spring, etc.. than if you wear the watch only a couple of days a week.
Service time for either may be the same as one way uses the oils and the other way coagulates the oils.

The difference between these two scenarios is that you are putting unnecessary wear and tear on the movement and these parts cannot last forever. I personally would rather NOT use a winder and deal with the inconvenience of setting the time and/or date once a week rather than foot the inevitable repair bill to replace parts that have been worn dues to 24/7 use.

The best scenario for me is to wear the watch at least once a week or two to keep the fluids from coagulating, keep the moving parts moving but, not wearing them out from constant operation.

Short Answer for me: NO WINDER.

Thanks for the advice, I completely agree with you, regards

[Kpiyaratt]

Put it on a winder is like let the engine runs when you are not driving.

[AREK28]

I have 6 automatic watches and i switch wearing my watches every 1-2 days so i always store 4 of them in my 4 watch winder keeping them winded ready for use and keep the 2 that i don't intend to use in the near time with face down in my safe.

Most good winders have "turns per day" setting and you can configure whether you want to wind it clockwise or both directions. Most winders only winds the watches for a few minutes and let the watch rest for 30-60 minutes before they start to wind the watches again. I think the wear should be quite minimal and should be less than a watch that is used on a daily basis. I personally wouldn't worry to much about the wear that results from watch winders.

[AREK28]

Originally Posted by AREK28

I have 6 automatic watches and i switch wearing my watches every 1-2 days so i always store 4 of them in my 4 watch winder keeping them winded ready for use and keep the 2 that i don't intend to use in the near time with face down in my safe.

Most good winders have "turns per day" setting and you can configure whether you want to wind it clockwise or both directions. Most winders only winds the watches for a few minutes and let the watch rest for 30-60 minutes before they start to wind the watches again. I think the wear should be quite minimal and should be less than a watch that is used on a daily basis. I personally wouldn't worry to much about the wear that results from watch winders.

Here is a picture of it