Rolexes you flipped for an AP or PP?

[Thatguy]

Originally Posted by Pandamonia

so other than rappers wearing them on instagram what makes AP worth the price they ask?

Isn't rappers on Instagram the only reason we buy Rolex?

But seriously, name calling is uncalled for.


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[Pandamonia]

Originally Posted by Thatguy

Isn't rappers on Instagram the only reason we buy Rolex?

But seriously, name calling is uncalled for.


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Someone called me a dummy with an emoji. Go preach to them

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[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by Pandamonia

so other than rappers wearing them on instagram what makes AP worth the price they ask?

This is what u said right here... Not exactly what u claim to have written.

Originally Posted by Pandamonia

I didn't say that either. So you can't read either or imagine people saying things they didn't.

I said what makes them any more special than rolex to justify their pricing? I find their watches mostly modern in design and will be out of fashion much more easily. The skeleton look is done to death and the brushed finish will be ruined quickly and all that for 25 to 30k..

As I said you rarely see them unless lil Wayne is bragging about it on insta

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Right, Lil Wayne....

[Pandamonia]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

This is what u said right here... Not exactly what u claim to have written.



Right, Lil Wayne....

Yes I said what makes them worth 25k for a steel watch?

I mean seriously....

Residuals I bet tank.

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[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

This is what u said right here... Not exactly what u claim to have written.







Right, Lil Wayne....

Lmao... Great picture find 😆👍🏼

[mike]

Pandamonia is no more. Carry on.

[HorologyK]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Flipped a 5167 and 3970rg for ceramic Everose Daytona and Sub ND. The Pateks 5167 is simply not built to endure daily beater like the Sub and the Daytona is far more durable, modern visually and sporty looking than the 3970. Prices are coming down on mainstream Pateks too. Given the choices you mentioned, get the AP.

5167 is every bit as durable as a sub and a daily beater for me. Not to mention half the weight and thickness.

[Roccio]

Originally Posted by Pandamonia

I didn't say that either. So you can't read either or imagine people saying things they didn't.

I said what makes them any more special than rolex to justify their pricing? I find their watches mostly modern in design and will be out of fashion much more easily. The skeleton look is done to death and the brushed finish will be ruined quickly and all that for 25 to 30k..

As I said you rarely see them unless lil Wayne is bragging about it on insta

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I had to sign up just to respond to this ignorance.

You know that Royal Oak is a 40 yr old design right? It was a game changer when it first came out, an oversized steel watch priced like a full gold one.

Contrary to your belief it wasnt popular when it came out but caught on like a fire several years later with a surge of similar oversized steel watches (PP Nautilus, IWC ingy, etc)

Royal Oak jumbo was and still is the watch with the thinnest full-rotor automatic movement. It is aesthetically and technologically more significant than your average ole Rolex, while it may not be as durable.

When the Sub-C came out RO 15300 was about the same price used - guess what they fetch now. You should go out and really see it in the metal to understand what kind of watch it is.

[anothernewphone]

What I would do to get a 15300 for the same price as a Submariner!

[singe89]

Originally Posted by Pandamonia

Yes I said what makes them worth 25k for a steel watch?

I mean seriously....

Residuals I bet tank.

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AP is the oldest independent watch company still in the hands of the founding family. They are still located in La Brassus Switzerland in the same house where Jules audemars and Edward piguet started the company. (The one in my avatar that I took) They are also a haute horology watch maker that makes the top complications in the world (grand comps) and also own APRP that makes the best sounding minute repeater, schumi split minute chrono, etc as well as all the top movements for Richard Mille. The Royal Oak designed by Gerald genta in 1972 changed the watch world with a SS watch costing as much as gold pieces. Patek soon followed and contracted genta to design the nautilus. In 1993 AP again changed the watch industry with the design of the offshore. They were innovators in the big watch "trend" that's been going strong for 20+ years now.

In the end AP only produced around 40k watches a year and every one of them has extensive hand finishing. Even the rotors are hand carved and every movement is hand finished. AP was nice enough to fly me to la Brassus and see their facility first hand. I was reading a watch magazine awhile back and the author said something along the lines of ....you don't have to like the royal oak design but you have to respect AP's history in shaping the watch industry and their ability as a haute horology movement maker.

As for Rolex. They are a tool wach company that has marketed themselves into the luxury market. I have huge respect for their patents, design and quality for the number of watches produced but they are not haute horology.

Btw...AP has "steel" watches that cost over $200k.

[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by Roccio

I had to sign up just to respond to this ignorance.



You know that Royal Oak is a 40 yr old design right? It was a game changer when it first came out, an oversized steel watch priced like a full gold one.



Contrary to your belief it wasnt popular when it came out but caught on like a fire several years later with a surge of similar oversized steel watches (PP Nautilus, IWC ingy, etc)



Royal Oak jumbo was and still is the watch with the thinnest full-rotor automatic movement. It is aesthetically and technologically more significant than your average ole Rolex, while it may not be as durable.



When the Sub-C came out RO 15300 was about the same price used - guess what they fetch now. You should go out and really see it in the metal to understand what kind of watch it is.

Honestly, this couldn't have been answered any better...well done. Many people don't realize the Royal Oak design is 40+ years old, that in itself speaks volumes. It is also a company owned by its founding family and has history that surpasses many brands.

To be honest, I had never seen one until I got mine. I was blown away the second I fit mine to my wrist. Someone had told me they are finished like a gold watch, I now understand. They still use watch-making techniques from the old days with many steps to produce the same look and feel, which is very interesting to me! They are certainly in a category of their own in my opinion.

Here's a couple macros of mine! Enjoy!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Mrkamir9

Honestly, this couldn't have been answered any better...well done. Many people don't realize the Royal Oak design is 40+ years old, that in itself speaks volumes. It is also a company owned by its founding family and has history that surpasses many brands.

To be honest, I had never seen one until I got mine. I was blown away the second I fit mine to my wrist. Someone had told me they are finished like a gold watch, I now understand. They still use watch-making techniques from the old days with many steps to produce the same look and feel, which is very interesting to me! They are certainly in a category of their own in my opinion.

Here's a couple macros of mine! Enjoy!

Wow man great pictures!!!! Are you related to Ben Lee ?

[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Wow man great pictures!!!! Are you related to Ben Lee ?

Thanks brotha, amazing what a cheap macro lens attached to an iPhone can do haha

I don't know a Ben Lee, should I? 😬

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by HorologyK

5167 is every bit as durable as a sub and a daily beater for me. Not to mention half the weight and thickness.

That's great news! My experience was a bit different.

[denmanproject]

Originally Posted by Mrkamir9

Honestly, this couldn't have been answered any better...well done. Many people don't realize the Royal Oak design is 40+ years old, that in itself speaks volumes. It is also a company owned by its founding family and has history that surpasses many brands.

To be honest, I had never seen one until I got mine. I was blown away the second I fit mine to my wrist. Someone had told me they are finished like a gold watch, I now understand. They still use watch-making techniques from the old days with many steps to produce the same look and feel, which is very interesting to me! They are certainly in a category of their own in my opinion.

Here's a couple macros of mine! Enjoy!

Now I want a 15300 white, thanks a lot

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Mrkamir9

Thanks brotha, amazing what a cheap macro lens attached to an iPhone can do haha

I don't know a Ben Lee, should I? 😬

He is on the AP sub forum a lot and always takes ridiculously awesome pictures just like you did. Check it out. Also check out HL65's pictures. Addicting stuff though I warn you.


http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...38313&page=121

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Mrkamir9

I don't know a Ben Lee, should I? ��

No, he will kill your wallet. I have a contract out on his camera.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by AK797

No, he will kill your wallet. I have a contract out on his camera.

[tomchicago]

I just don't get the AP's. Some PP's yes.

[Snow-Dweller]

Originally Posted by WristEnvy

Hi all,

Just curious which Rolexes you have flipped to acquire either an AP or PP?

In this case I'm interested in an Aquanaut or an RO 15400st.

On the chopping block right now is my Breitling Nav01 and Tudor Pelagos Blue. I'm on the fence about letting go of my SubLV. I also have a dssd and black bay noir, but for some reason I'd rather keep those opposed to the lv. Also the SubLV isn't boxed and papered, maybe why I'm a little bit more willing to let it go.

Thoughts?

I flipped three Rolex to buy a 15400 and a Diver....which I kept for a year before flipping them for this.....

I have no regrets.

[ap1]

Id make your moves including the hulk for sure. Already keeping a couple solid Rolex and AP / PP are amazing. Warning - you'll want more

[lpolito415]

Just sold my 18238 and now I'm looking to buy a 15400st black dial.

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by lpolito415

Just sold my 18238 and now I'm looking to buy a 15400st black dial.

Great move. Just picked up a 15400 in April and love it. Good luck!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by AK797

No, he will kill your wallet. I have a contract out on his camera.

You post some nice pictures too. Don't try to get out of this one.

[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by denmanproject

Now I want a 15300 white, thanks a lot

Someone did this to me, that's how I ended up with one lmao! But you would not regret it, I think it's the perfect everyday RO that's very similar to the jumbo as far as proportions 👍🏼

[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by Patton250

He is on the AP sub forum a lot and always takes ridiculously awesome pictures just like you did. Check it out. Also check out HL65's pictures. Addicting stuff though I warn you.





http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...38313&page=121

I will check him out for sure... I'm very familiar with HL65's brilliant gold pieces... Just insanely beautiful! Thanks brotha 😉

[Mrkamir9]

Originally Posted by AK797

No, he will kill your wallet. I have a contract out on his camera.

Lmao... I'm worried now...but I still want to see! 😆

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I flipped my YM2 for a 42mm ROO "elephant"!

I've had some issues with my ROO, had it sent into APSC twice already. It seems to be ok now but definitely discouraging. Otherwise I'd say I have no regrets. My ROO is an absolutely stunning watch especially on gray rubber. In my limited experience though I can say there's nothing like a Rolex, but since you will already own at least a couple Rolexes (as do I) I would definitely go for it.

Here's one of my "feeler" threads I started before making the trade.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=455137

And here's my ROO...

Thanks, I recall reading some of that thread and your ROO does look stunning. Have you had any issues after it's 2nd round at the APSC?

[guy369]

Well that was a fun page one to read!

I would love to trade 'up' to an AP if the right deal came along.
I've never owned one but I've tried on a few models and they all have a great feel to them.

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I flipped a TT Bluesy for a ROO SS 44mm. Absolutely no regrets so far with that one. I also thought about getting a Patek Aquanaut for that flip but in the end I got the AP. I also flipped my SS Daytona for an AP 15400. That was a no-brainer for me as well. I still have three Rolexes and I will be getting the new ceramic Daytona this week (fingers crossed) so I am covered in the Rolex arena in my opinion. Besides AP is a whole new level.

You move quick my friend, I saw your ROO in the AP forum, it looks beautiful. What color dial did you go with on the 15400?

Originally Posted by Mrkamir9

So I was considering the Blue dial, but god that looks beautiful!

Originally Posted by HorologyK

5167 is every bit as durable as a sub and a daily beater for me. Not to mention half the weight and thickness.

So yeah, as far as decision, AP vs PP, how about both?

So an opportunity presented itself over the weekend and I picked up a 5167a. This is one comfy watch and it feels like it's not even on my wrist. It'll be a watch in rotation so hopefully it holds up for me After some research, understood the Aquanaut doesn't have the history as the Nautilus, but I really prefer the numerals considering i'll likely add an AP RO in the future. So it'll be a bit redundant.


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Here's a quick shot this morning when I got it out of the box.

I have some flipping to do now, but i'm still on the fence whether I flip the 16610lv.

Thanks all for contributing to this sickness!