Tdap vaccine for pregnant woman

[Rondineli]

can we have a Rolex pic with a baby on this thread?

Please.

[427_Monster]

Yes this is exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you.

These show infant mortality rates caused by pertussis. Any study to show the effectiveness of pre birth vaccination? In other words, what is the mortality rate for infants with pre birth vaccination vs no vaccination during pregnancy?

Also, what is the probability of an infant still contracting pertussis given pre birth vaccination? And have there been studies of negative side effects of the vaccination.


It seemed like you got offended by my first post. That's not my intention. The doctor probably should have used a different tone to persuade me rather than scaring/instilling fear in me.

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Here is an article with some numbers.
Infant and maternal risk factors for pertussis-related infant mortality in the United States, 1999 to 2004.
Haberling DL, et al. Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2009.
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Abstract
BACKGROUND: Infants aged <12 months have the highest rates of complications and death from pertussis of any age group. Factors that increase the risk of pertussis-related death in infants are not well defined.

METHODS: The US Multiple Cause-of-Death and Linked Birth/Infant Death databases were used for 1999 to 2004 to examine pertussis-related infant mortality rates and to obtain anonymous records of infants with pertussis listed as a cause of death and of surviving infants. Infant and maternal characteristics present at the time of birth for infants who died with pertussis were compared with those of surviving infants.

RESULTS: During 1999 to 2004, 91 infant deaths were reported with pertussis as a cause of death. All infants were 7 months or younger; 58% were age <2 months. The average annual infant mortality rate attributed to pertussis was 3.8 (95% CI: 3.0-4.6) per 1,000,000 live births, and 13.1 (95% CI: 9.8-17.1) per 1,000,000 live births for infants aged <2 months. Infant pertussis deaths showed an independent association with birth weight <2500 g, female sex, Apgar score <8, and mother with <12 years education. The mortality rate among Hispanic infants aged <2 months was 2.6 times greater than among non-Hispanic infants of similar age.

CONCLUSIONS: Ensuring pertussis booster vaccination of adults and adolescents in close contact with an infant is warranted to prevent transmission of pertussis to vulnerable infants, particularly infants too young to be immunized. Special emphasis should be given to women and infant settings in which the risk of infant pertussis death might be increased.

PMID 19209089 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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[427_Monster]

I'm all for protecting my baby. But how do you know there are no ill effects?

Many posters are making claims without the data to back it up. All I'm asking is a reliable source of unbiased data.

Originally Posted by mannyv11

my wife and all both got the tdap shot and our insurance paid for the entire cost.

I also do not see the ill effect of getting the tdap shot.My wife's doctor recommended that both of us get it and we did. Just because your baby will be isolated for a few months does not mean you will be isolated.

Our doctor told us anyone that is going to be in close proximity to our baby very often they would recommend that they receive the tdap as well, so all of her grandparents did as well. I don't see the point of risking a newborns life when preventing anything from happening to it is a simple shot.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by Syed117

People who post things like that don't have a comment worth making.



The skull and crossbones are also super scary.

Might I add that while those "proud parents of unvaccinated children" may think their decisions only affects them, they are putting all children too young to vaccinate at risk with them.

Luckily, my pediatrician in Miami Beach had unvaccinated kids wait on the "not-well side" of the waiting room.


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[Syed117]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

Might I add that while those "proud parents of unvaccinated children" may think their decisions only affects them, they are putting all children too young to vaccinate at risk with them.

Luckily, my pediatrician in Miami Beach had unvaccinated kids wait on the "not-well side" of the waiting room.


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Yeah.

I'm not generally an angry person, but this is one of those topics that induces true rage in me.

Since I really enjoy this forum, I'm going to keep my thoughts on those "proud parents" to myself.

[Dr.Brian]

http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/pregnan...e-effects.html

[mmutte]

Originally Posted by 427_Monster

We made advances in understanding human body, but there's still so so so much that we don't know.

I'm worried about potential side effects from introducing a chemical/toxin into a developing body. Everybody is different. It might work for 95% of the population, but it might not work for us.

And don't say that it works 100%. Nothing in life works 100%, especially if you start dividing into sub populations.

Let me be clear, I'm certainly no expert. But I guess I'm confused. There is no valid literature to suggest vaccines cause any detriment to those receiving them to my knowledge (other than true allergies to ingredients).

So what I am interpreting is that you are so hung up on the 'potential' side effects that do not exist (based on truthful medical literature) you are completely discounting the real life known positive of the Tdap vaccine decreasing transmission rates of pertussis to newborn babies. Please correct me if I am wrong.

When wakefield published his (now admittedly falsified) data on autism and vaccines, it was a huge step in the wrong direction. But then again, I like to get all of my medical advice from people like Jenny McCarthy anyway.


In case you can't tell, this infuriates me the same as a previous poster said.
Your decision doesn't only affect you and your family, it is a public health concern and it can ultimately have potentially devastating outcomes. When a 'proud parent' decides to go against sound medical advice and doesnt vaccinate his/her child it's amazing how they all of a sudden decide to now seek medical advice/care from the same medical professional that told them to vaccinate the child.
Anyway, I'm going to leave this alone from here on out.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by 427_Monster

When someone pushes/persuades me using urgency/fear/scare tactics, it tells me she is biased and has ulterior motives.

Exactly what are the "ulterior motives" that you suspect?

[Abdullah71601]

You've asked for advice, doctors have given it, you've ignored it, and you are now asking for more advice.

What more do you want that you can't Google yourself?

Originally Posted by 427_Monster

Yes this is exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you.

These show infant mortality rates caused by pertussis. Any study to show the effectiveness of pre birth vaccination? In other words, what is the mortality rate for infants with pre birth vaccination vs no vaccination during pregnancy?

Also, what is the probability of an infant still contracting pertussis given pre birth vaccination? And have there been studies of negative side effects of the vaccination.


It seemed like you got offended by my first post. That's not my intention. The doctor probably should have used a different tone to persuade me rather than scaring/instilling fear in me.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

You've asked for advice, doctors have given it, you've ignored it, and you are now asking for more advice.

What more do you want that you can't Google yourself?

Validation.
The word you're looking for is Validation.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Tony64

Validation.
The word you're looking for is Validation.

Good point.

[427_Monster]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

You've asked for advice, doctors have given it, you've ignored it, and you are now asking for more advice.

What more do you want that you can't Google yourself?

I got the validation from my doctor so I'm good.

I've googled the information but can't find conclusive data.
Now I'm just astounded to see how many posters make claims without any supporting data.

[427_Monster]

Your posts mentioned that there is no harm to getting the shot. That's not true. Even CDC website states negative side effects ranging from mild to severe.

What is the frequency of those severe side effects? Do they impact Asian people more than whites, blacks, or Hispanics? CDC recently approved tdap for pregnant women so there's not much data for any developmental problems.



Not sure about some of the posters' professions. Many posters are just making blanket claims without any data to support them.

Originally Posted by mmutte

Let me be clear, I'm certainly no expert. But I guess I'm confused. There is no valid literature to suggest vaccines cause any detriment to those receiving them to my knowledge (other than true allergies to ingredients).

So what I am interpreting is that you are so hung up on the 'potential' side effects that do not exist (based on truthful medical literature) you are completely discounting the real life known positive of the Tdap vaccine decreasing transmission rates of pertussis to newborn babies. Please correct me if I am wrong.

When wakefield published his (now admittedly falsified) data on autism and vaccines, it was a huge step in the wrong direction. But then again, I like to get all of my medical advice from people like Jenny McCarthy anyway.


In case you can't tell, this infuriates me the same as a previous poster said.
Your decision doesn't only affect you and your family, it is a public health concern and it can ultimately have potentially devastating outcomes. When a 'proud parent' decides to go against sound medical advice and doesnt vaccinate his/her child it's amazing how they all of a sudden decide to now seek medical advice/care from the same medical professional that told them to vaccinate the child.
Anyway, I'm going to leave this alone from here on out.

[427_Monster]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/pregnan...e-effects.html

I saw the England study to determine effectiveness. The study does show effectiveness comparing year over year trends, but there is slight bias using that methodology. I also understand there are no controlled tests.

How about side effects? And how about long term effects? Any place to view that?

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

Might I add that while those "proud parents of unvaccinated children" may think their decisions only affects them, they are putting all children too young to vaccinate at risk with them.

Luckily, my pediatrician in Miami Beach had unvaccinated kids wait on the "not-well side" of the waiting room.


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Very well said, parents who don't vaccinate just think it is their kids that are affected, unfortunately that is not the case and they are putting all children too young to be vaccinated in danger. There is a reason why some diseases that were practically wiped out are making a comeback (smallpox in disney world).

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

There is a reason why some diseases that were practically wiped out are making a comeback (smallpox in disney world).

I really really hope you mean chicken pox and not smallpox! I guess a smallpox outbreak would be bad publicity for Disney...

[Etschell]

it is your choice. we chose to vaccinate both our children. IMO no link between autism and vaccinations.

[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by JohnBaker3

Posted without comment...

It's funny because if you dressed up that image a bit and removed the skull and crossbones and commentary, this could be looked at as quite an achievement. Look at how much more illness we can prevent in 2012 compared to 1940! I wonder what would spur greater acceptance of vaccines in the anti-vaxer "community"? What if it was all oral preps instead of shots that were mixed into either formula or breast milk. What if there were mythical naturally occurring organically grown molecules that conferred immunity? What would it take to gain universal acceptance again? Maybe it's just a matter of not wanting to do what educated individuals and societies advise for the sake of being contrarian.

Signed, proud parent of healthy and happy vaccinated children.

Regarding the OP's requests, I appreciate that while you are looking for validation of your choice, you are at least open to more mainstream and scientifically founded views on the matter. Keep in mind that not all research that is performed is published in the literature. Negative studies that support current practices are much less likely to be published than game-changing research. The data you seek may very well be out there, but not organized in a journal article for your perusal.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

I really really hope you mean chicken pox and not smallpox! I guess a smallpox outbreak would be bad publicity for Disney...

I'm a fool sorry I have been up the past 2 days my baby girl was just born 5 weeks early.

It was measles not smallpox sorry about that.