Real or fake 116610 Sub ?

[JSolano305]

Yes WALK AWAY. That's a close to 9K watch right there at AD.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Han1

Thanks for replies guys .. Price is about 4 k usd . It's in my country but in another state so the flight is cheap.. as Long as serial matches the card I should be safe? I don't think there is an AD in that state . Owner does have a receipt from watches of Switzerland too..

No good, stay away. Why do you think they would sell this piece for $4k when the 116610ln may be the most liquid Rolex out there and consistently fetches ~$7k+ retail trade values. Makes no sense why any seller with a decent head on their shoulders would take a $3k loss in opportunity costs. Furthermore, if this was legit the seller could make a fortune selling in the U.K. Right now

[Toony]

Run away. If it's too good to be true it's because it is.

[Han1]

What could possibly be the catch ? Seller claimed he is in urgent need of cash .. Price is the only thing that kept me suspicious but it seems like bad logic. So if seller posted exact same item for higher price, then i should buy it ?

Is it possible for a replica case with genuine movement,dial and crystal ? Are the replica cases really that good nowadays ?

[123Blueface]

No way!
Stay away!
Has got to be a scam or a stolen watch.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Han1

What could possibly be the catch ? Seller claimed he is in urgent need of cash .. Price is the only thing that kept me suspicious but it seems like bad logic. So if seller posted exact same item for higher price, then i should buy it ?

Is it possible for a replica case with genuine movement,dial and crystal ? Are the replica cases really that good nowadays ?

By all means go purchase, but if you don't see the $4k price being a catch, then I'm not sure any here can help you out...

In need of quick cash...hmm sounds like every other scam sob story I've ever heard of. Doesn't sound familiar does it?

Your seller is either a scam artist or extremely unintelligent. Either should be enough for you to run far away because it's screaming red flags

[MyDadsAirKing]

Claiming to be in need to urgent cash is another red flag as it is a common for scammers to say that to try to justify why an item is listed so low. If the seller was indeed in need of cash urgently, then he could always get that price by selling it to a pawn store or a reseller.

I would say that the photos are either stolen from another listing or the watch itself is stolen, rather than it being a replica.

If you still want to pursue the watch, I would ask for a Bill of Sale, along with contact details, proof of ID (such as a copy of his driver's license or passport). I would also want to confirm his ID on social media and ensure that the warranty card is in his name. Gather as much info on the seller as well as the history of the watch as you can to verify his identity and the watch's as well.

[helson]

It looks real.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by MyDadsAirKing

Claiming to be in need to urgent cash is another red flag as it is a common for scammers to say that to try to justify why an item is listed so low. If the seller was indeed in need of cash urgently, then he could always get that price by selling it to a pawn store or a reseller.

I would say that the photos are either stolen from another listing or the watch itself is stolen, rather than it being a replica.

If you still want to pursue the watch, I would ask for a Bill of Sale, along with contact details, proof of ID (such as a copy of his driver's license or passport). I would also want to confirm his ID on social media and ensure that the warranty card is in his name. Gather as much info on the seller as well as the history of the watch as you can to verify his identity and the watch's as well.

Great advice.

In the end, he will confirm what all are saying............STAY AWAY!!!!

[johneh]

Originally Posted by Han1

What could possibly be the catch ? Seller claimed he is in urgent need of cash .. Price is the only thing that kept me suspicious but it seems like bad logic. So if seller posted exact same item for higher price, then i should buy it ?

Is it possible for a replica case with genuine movement,dial and crystal ? Are the replica cases really that good nowadays ?

Even if he was in urgent need of cash, he could list it at 1.5x that amount and it would sell inside of 24 hours. There's a lot of people telling you to stay away, you should listen to them.

[Spectre007]

Originally Posted by Han1

Is it possible for someone to buy a replica watch , put in genuine movement, then replicate a card with the serial number on replica case ?

nope.
but they can buy gen case and such if they were lucky enough to find a case and matching card.
Odds of that are very slim though which makes me think this is gen.
I would check against the stolen serial number database if the price is that low

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Han1

What could possibly be the catch ? Seller claimed he is in urgent need of cash ..

So he is in urgent need for less cash than he could actually get?

Wow!

[Kingdom2121]

Most like, the watch you will get, is not as same as the pics.

[Etschell]

at 4k it is either fake or stolen. that is way too cheap.

[cht]

Originally Posted by Han1

Is it possible for someone to buy a replica watch , put in genuine movement, then replicate a card with the serial number on replica case ?

Mate, if it's TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, then....SHELL OUT $4K to a stranger?!?!


Seriously?

He probably has a gen, took pics of his gen, and will keep his gen watch but hand you a really nice fake and give you all his gen boxes etc.

Good luck...


What people are willing to do to save money...sheesh.

If you get scammed, you should have known better at this point.

[esscaster]

Originally Posted by Han1

What could possibly be the catch ? Seller claimed he is in urgent need of cash .. Price is the only thing that kept me suspicious but it seems like bad logic. So if seller posted exact same item for higher price, then i should buy it ?

Is it possible for a replica case with genuine movement,dial and crystal ? Are the replica cases really that good nowadays ?

I would be extremely suspicious if I saw that on a watch forum or in a place where informed watch people buy and sell, but a lot of people who buy Rolex out in the real world are not at all watch people. They get them as gifts, they are leftover from divorces or something, or they treat themselves in good times and now times are not so good.

They don't necessarily know how much value Rolex holds and just hope to sell it like selling off any other product by looking at competitive prices and undercutting them dramatically in hopes of selling it quickly.

We on here buy from really reliable sources and maybe pay a little extra for that peace of mind, but in the real marketplace of buying and selling privately through swap meets, Craigslist, estate sales, there are still unbelievable deals to be had if you expose yourself to a bit of risk and arm yourself with knowledge.

But yeah, if you aren't experienced with Rolex, don't do the deal. You'll likely not even realize the Rolex in the pics is not the one you're seeing.

[Etschell]

han1 i suggest you give your passport to someone else for the next few days till you realize no one here is stopping you from anything other than making a bad mistake. we are rolex enablers at heart.

[AK797]

Stolen or he will give you a fake, a bait and switch as these are real pics.

[Han1]

Thanks again for the wise warnings.... So if i go check out the watch and see the case number matches the card, have a watch specialist open up the watch to make sure its genuine movement inside, the chances of me being scammed is extremely low?

[pw98]

Guys if he wants to buy it so bad let him. Sounds like all this sage advice is falling on deaf ears.

[MyDadsAirKing]

Originally Posted by Han1

Thanks again for the wise warnings.... So if i go check out the watch and see the case number matches the card, have a watch specialist open up the watch to make sure its genuine movement inside, the chances of me being scammed is extremely low?

Sure but I highly doubt that you will get that far with this seller. Anyway, despite all the replies that everyone has posted, it sounds like you are determined so go for it!!

[Han1]

Originally Posted by moonson

If you do a google search you can find people who build watches with legitimate parts to create a real "looking" watch.


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I read about it...i read people usually just buy the dial/crystal/bezel...Is it possible to buy a genuine casing ?

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by MyDadsAirKing

Sure but I highly doubt that you will get that far with this seller. Anyway, despite all the replies that everyone has posted, it sounds like you are determined so go for it!!

Yup.
But hey, if he enjoys traveling to that state, can have a nice dinner at a known restaurant, but no watch of course, it can be a justified trip.

OP
Seriously, I am a claims manager for a major fraud investigation operation.
If you have not heard enough warnings, let me try one last one. Short of a relaxing flight, and a meal, there will be no other positive return from your trip.

If worse case is it is a fake, which we believe this great deal to be, then write it off to experience. However, please note that in the states, we have Craig's List. Ask the users that have been hurt or the family of those killed while meeting strangers to pick up their "great deal" if the great deal was worth it.

[moonson]

Originally Posted by Han1

I read about it...i read people usually just buy the dial/crystal/bezel...Is it possible to buy a genuine casing ?

I'd imagine so, you can buy anything for the right price.


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[Jim P]

This is the most "faked" watch in the world. The watch you are getting for 4K is probably not the one in the picture (which does look legit) or stolen!

[Carrera997]

There is nothing no way I would trust a 4K sub. They could walk in to any AD and sell it on the spot. Why go to the trouble of advertising and pics


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[Han1]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Yup.
But hey, if he enjoys traveling to that state, can have a nice dinner at a known restaurant, but no watch of course, it can be a justified trip.

OP
Seriously, I am a claims manager for a major fraud investigation operation.
If you have not heard enough warnings, let me try one last one. Short of a relaxing flight, and a meal, there will be no other positive return from your trip.

If worse case is it is a fake, which we believe this great deal to be, then write it off to experience. However, please note that in the states, we have Craig's List. Ask the users that have been hurt or the family of those killed while meeting strangers to pick up their "great deal" if the great deal was worth it.

No known restaurants in that state.... It is a state i would never visit on normal circumstances !

[Han1]

Last question guys, will replica all have noisy movements/rotors when shaken ?

[wrxsti]

too good to be true, buyer beware!

[ilovepepsi]

Originally Posted by Han1

Last question guys, will replica all have noisy movements/rotors when shaken ?

If it needs to be serviced, the rotor may make noise.