Why don't Rolex just combine the Submariner and the GMT to create the ultimate watch?

[meganfox17]

Originally Posted by G'ed

How bout Sub+GMT+Daytona? No.
Rolex prefer to sell you 3 watches instead of one. They have the capability of creating such movement but they don’t

Oh ! Rolex is also VERY capable of charging you ( and I'm guessing here ) a USD 23-25 K Rolex watch 3 in 1 package deal just like that ! Imagine a GMT + Diver >200 m + an operational cosmograph underwater in a very busy watch, beyond the reach of the common man.The only cheapest Swiss that I can think of that has all 3 functions is the JLC Master Compressor Diving Chronograph 1000 m GMT Navy SEALs costing a cool USD13+K !
Can you see the GMT hand at a glance in the second photo?

[RHJ]

Rolex profits would surely increase.

They aren't interested in more profit, but being still the main player in 50 years!
There is no person having profits, there is only the foundation. Rolex isn't a banal normal company...

[slowflow]

Originally Posted by MCO1

I'll take the collection instead please!:)

What he said.


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[Ruud Van Driver]

The best compromise here could be done yourself (unless you're incompetent with tools, like me). Just add a Glidelock bracelet to a GMT.

[osamu]

I wouldn't mind having this. Basically I would want a sub with a GMT hand just for the added functionality. I know it would be crazy of Rolex to kneecap themselves by offering it. But like when the omega deep black came out, and like the seiko SBDB017, I did think to myself it might be nice to have a diver with a GMT function.

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by ssetem

They released speedmaster broad arrow at one time

The Broad Arrow you refer to does not have a GMT function. It was a homage to the early Speedmasters from the 1950's that had broad arrow hands as standard, nothing to do with tracking different time zones.

The only GMT watches Omega have ever produced are from the Seamaster family not Speedmaster.

[asiparks]

Sinn offer some more modestly priced options in their 757 range:
And, being a Sinn,, it ticks all the technical/durability/quality boxes too.

[Swiss Mad!]

Originally Posted by meganfox17

Oh ! Rolex is also VERY capable of charging you ( and I'm guessing here ) a USD 23-25 K Rolex watch 3 in 1 package deal just like that ! Imagine a GMT + Diver >200 m + an operational cosmograph underwater in a very busy watch, beyond the reach of the common man.The only cheapest Swiss that I can think of that has all 3 functions is the JLC Master Compressor Diving Chronograph 1000 m GMT Navy SEALs costing a cool USD13+K !
Can you see the GMT hand at a glance in the second photo?

No, Omega do the Seamaster GMT Chrono - a lot cheaper

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by osamu

I wouldn't mind having this. Basically I would want a sub with a GMT hand just for the added functionality. I know it would be crazy of Rolex to kneecap themselves by offering it. But like when the omega deep black came out, and like the seiko SBDB017, I did think to myself it might be nice to have a diver with a GMT function.

That Seiko IS nice! Would love to see in fully auto version.

[RXAPPP]

Originally Posted by herts9

Maybe one day a lobster can mate with some waygu beef

Hahahaha - thank you for keeping the forum sane!!

Made me chuckle

[Pattyb69]

Submasterdweller II?!!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by mangoseed

People may think this is a crazy idea but this would greatly expand the customer base. What most people want is to have everything in one watch rather than a collection, as well as more color options. This is what is holding back the watch industry. Rolex profits would surely increase.

A. Rolex is having enough trouble keeping up with demand as it is, so greatly expanding their customer base would do no good in reality.

B. I disagree that people want a watch with everything all at once. Especially here, its one tiny difference between models that causes people to buy two very similar watches. Most people here have many watches so one could argue a "combined" watch with everything could lead to less sales.

C. As a registered charity Rolex isn't as bothered by profits like a publicly traded company would be. They put their profits back into R&D and other Rolex related stuff and are not answerable to shareholders in a traditional sense.

D. At this level heritage matters and is a big reason Rolex sticks as closely as possible to original design. The sub is little changed since the very first sub and the same for the GMT. Drastically changing either model would erode the heritage which is what makes any luxury brand thrive and is what people are buying into.

[HeyItsRaymond]

No thanks. I prefer a single use tool. And both are great watches.

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by meganfox17

Oh ! Rolex is also VERY capable of charging you ( and I'm guessing here ) a USD 23-25 K Rolex watch 3 in 1 package deal just like that ! Imagine a GMT + Diver >200 m + an operational cosmograph underwater in a very busy watch, beyond the reach of the common man.The only cheapest Swiss that I can think of that has all 3 functions is the JLC Master Compressor Diving Chronograph 1000 m GMT Navy SEALs costing a cool USD13+K !
Can you see the GMT hand at a glance in the second photo?

Omega do this one:

https://www.omegawatches.com/watches...1230445203001/

S$9,150 (US$6,750) and that's before discount, which is between 15 and 20% depending on relationship with AD.

[CRM114]

Why ruin perfectly good, practical-function GMTs by bastardizing them, adding a bunch of dive watch features one doesn't need or want? Most dive watch wearers themselves never even actually use them for diving, and a modern GMT already has a WR rating of 300', plenty. It would make more sense to combine a pilot's watch with something useful like a chrono rather than something one theoretically wears with flippers.

The GMT was already derived from something else already useful; the DateJust and Datejust with timing bezel Turn-o-Graph. Adding dive watch junk would just mean nobody uses the new mutant GMTSubs for diving at the same high rate nobody currently uses their dedicated dive watch Subs for diving.

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by 77T

This would be more up Tudor's alley methinks.

THIS!

Tudor, take a Black Bay Date and put a GMT complication on it!

Or, Seiko, why don't you make any automatic GMTs with the 4- or 6- series movements....something in the $500-$1000 range?

[NLYogi]

So if you are diving in another timezone you can see what time it is at home plus the date plus when you have to get back to the surface again. Oh and the curent time as well.

The subgmt complication makes no sense to me!

[ssetem]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

The Broad Arrow you refer to does not have a GMT function. It was a homage to the early Speedmasters from the 1950's that had broad arrow hands as standard, nothing to do with tracking different time zones.



The only GMT watches Omega have ever produced are from the Seamaster family not Speedmaster.

100% there was a gmt broad arrow speedy




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[beshannon]

I'll keep the two I have, thanks

[AS1]

Originally Posted by herts9

maybe one day a lobster can mate with some waygu beef

LOL

[meganfox17]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

No, Omega do the Seamaster GMT Chrono - a lot cheaper

There is a Speedy GMT @Swiss Mad.I only remembered the BA GMT when @ssetem posted that photo. It has a 24 hr independent GMT hand to track the second time zone. It's basically a Cal 3313 with a GMT function added That's the two tone Silver White version

Originally Posted by ssetem

100% there was a gmt broad arrow speedy

Absolutely. 100% correct Sir .Thank You for posting the BA Chrono GMT Noir Ref 3581.xx Cal 3603.I knew there was a GMT Speedy somewhere but couldn't recollect the dedicated thread on the OF

[Boaters]

Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

The best compromise here could be done yourself (unless you're incompetent with tools, like me). Just add a Glidelock bracelet to a GMT.

Perfect solution

[Nav01L]

Why don't they destroy two of the greatest icons they have to make something without any identity... good question indeed...

[Beowulf]

Having both they make sure the fans are never totally satisfied and therefore overthink about which one is better, buy it, and after some time realize they have an itch that is not being scratched, them buying the second one.

Bet lots of people reading this followed that path.

[ssetem]

A big reason to Rolex success is they nurture their icons
they dont dilute or over vary a model or chuck in features

frakensteining or kitchen sinking features would be bad economic

[TXgmt]

The two premises that a) people want this type of watch and b) Rolex would up profits are both not logical. Like people have said previously, cannibalizing other existing and successful product lines would be the likely outcome if premise A is in fact true. And Rolex has made it overwhelmingly apparent that they are not interested in profits alone by not expanding production to meet demand(see: Daytona, primarily).

[Stargazer735]

Highly doubt this will outsell both watches, combined.

Even if you did ask your friends.

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[tbonesteak]

Omega makes a Deep Black diver watch which combines a diver and GMT, I'd prob buy it if it didn't have the GMT function.

I don't need a GMT, nor do I want one. Feel like there are other Sub owners in the same boat.

Plus, as mentioned, both sell very well for them and are in high demand, they have no reason to do this.

[henrylee]

To the OP, rolex has the demand supply down to figured out to a science. They are have waiting list for a lot of their SS sport models. They don't need to add this new watch since having two separate watches will out sell the one.

[HogwldFLTR]

How about a sub with the Sky D GMT dial? I can't imagine a combined 24 hour and dive bezel that would be attractive.