Deep Sea mistake watch?

[Clay]

I'm sure the improvements are very nice, but completely unnecessary in my opinion...

Most people that I have spoken too who poo poo the 116660 have never even owned one...

And unless you have opened and worn one for a while, you don't really how the watch wears of feels...

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Shamorai

I was just looking at a now DC’d DSSD in a window a couple days ago, and it sure looked good to me!

for me i think im going to prefer the new one. I don't think the old one was a mistake and i actually think the thinner bracelet makes it look better on smaller wrists. My wrists are not particularly small so its not really a plus for me and in pics aesthetically the new bracelet looks more proportional, but its going to depend on your wrist i think.

[Marciano490]

If people can truly notice a 1mm difference in sizes with the naked eyes, they’re either artists or eagles.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by sholzer

I think OP was referring to the old deep sea with 20mm bracelet vs the new one with the 21mm bracelet, not the SD4K

116660 comes with 21mm bracelet

[Gary.]

No matter how the people at Rolex felt about the old proportions, it certainly looks like they were aware that it was perceived as a negative by a part of the Rolex community. "Mistake" might be putting it strongly but it looks a lot like an issue they've addressed which I don't imagine they'd have done lightly..

[tng11]

I just acquired a first gen JC a few days ago. As a guy with small wrists, I actually find it more comfortable than the SD43 despite the added weight. The thinner bracelet makes it feel less restrictive on the wrist compared to the SD43.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

for me i think im going to prefer the new one. I don't think the old one was a mistake and i actually think the thinner bracelet makes it look better on smaller wrists. My wrists are not particularly small so its not really a plus for me and in pics aesthetically the new bracelet looks more proportional, but its going to depend on your wrist i think.

My wrist is 7.5” and flat and the D-Blue wears perfect for me. It wears just as well as my SD43 bracelet and I can’t tell the difference of only 1mm between the two except that I prefer the clasp on the D-Blue. So I guess if one really is moved by 1 whole mm then go for it but to say they can see difference between 22 and 21 mm’s wow unreal eyes! Lol

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by HL65

My wrist is 7.5” and flat and the D-Blue wears perfect for me. It wears just as well as my SD43 bracelet and I can’t tell the difference of only 1mm between the two except that I prefer the clasp on the D-Blue. So I guess if one really is moved by 1 whole mm then go for it but to say they can see difference between 22 and 21 mm’s wow unreal eyes! Lol

Ted Williams is jealous of half the posters here! Imagine how good their eyesight would be without squinting at pictures of watches on computer screens all day!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Ted Williams is jealous of half the posters here! Imagine how good their eyesight would be without squinting at pictures of watches on computer screens all day!

to be fair we are looking a close up marketing macros at this point. I did find the DSSD bracelet a little thin when i owned it because the watch is so big and thick. No idea if the new one will actually look or feel different IRL.

[faz]

Originally Posted by HL65

Well then I guess the 16520 was a mistake as the 116520 improved it and the 116520 must have been a mistake as well as the 116500 came out later. The same goes for the 1675, 16750, 16700 given the 116710. Next we can move to Subs and start with the 6200, 6538, 5510, 5512, 5513, 1680, 16110. 116610 etc. Old rivet bracelets, tuna cans, non SEL, SEL, glidelocks etc. So lots of mistakes then I guess with Rolex and we can go on and on with many over history not to mention defective dials that turned chocolate brown, purple and cream. Rolex has made subtle changes and improvements to it's watches from day 1 so why would today be any different than yesteryear?

Holy mother of reference numbers!

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Ted Williams is jealous of half the posters here! Imagine how good their eyesight would be without squinting at pictures of watches on computer screens all day!

Lol such craziness around here as of late! Here is my SD43 with it’s giant 1mm bigger bracelet!

[HL65]

Originally Posted by faz

Holy mother of reference numbers!

I could go on and on and I’ve owned pretty much all of them over the years! Go back and look at my old posts and you will see them all including Patent Pending MK1 DRSD, MK2 DRSD tropical, MK3 DRSD, MK4 DRSD etc. I could go on for a long time with list but will spare you! I know Rolex history pretty well though and that gives me a good basis to come up with my opinions.

[faz]

Originally Posted by HL65

I could go on and on and I’ve owned pretty much all of them over the years! Go back and look at my old posts and you will see them all including Patent Pending MK1 DRSD, MK2 DRSD tropical, MK3 DRSD, MK4 DRSD etc. I could go on for a long time with list but will spare you! I know Rolex history pretty well though and that gives me a good basis to come up with my opinions.

And I respect your posts and have valued your input on various topics.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by faz

And I respect your posts and have valued your input on various topics.

[00Seven]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Was the Ferrari Enzo a mistake since they then came out with a 458...
Did Porsche admit the 911 GT3 was a mistake by making upgrades with the 991.2 GT3...
Did Rolex admit they made a mistake all those years by switching to a ceramic bezel...
etc, etc...
Let's stop this craziness please.

Bingo.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by sholzer

I think OP was referring to the old deep sea with 20mm bracelet vs the new one with the 21mm bracelet, not the SD4K

The old one(116660) has a 21mm bracelet.
The new one(126660) has a 22mm Bracelet.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by amh

Mistake is too strong, but the new model is definitely an upgrade.

But Rolex certainly did make one mistake that they're still carrying: the Purple/Pink bezel on the GMT BLRO! The blue isn't blue. The red isn't red. They should never have released it. For everyone who accepts it, I believe it's a case of "the emperor has no clothes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Em...7s_New_Clothes

I also have issue with the use of the word "upgrade" in this context.
The new model is more of an update simply due to the movement only.

And whether there is any real benefit derived through the new movement is entirely subjective. It would be near on impossible to determine which has the new movement or the old when worn on the wrist if there were no changes to the dial or watch itself and just limited to the internals.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

to be fair we are looking a close up marketing macros at this point. I did find the DSSD bracelet a little thin when i owned it because the watch is so big and thick. No idea if the new one will actually look or feel different IRL.

It will in all likelihood feel just that little bit different. Especially when new.

I have to agree with you on the visuals of the Bracelet.
I have always felt it could've been just that little bit wider in the run down to and including the Clasp in stead of having the removable links form the 20 mm Bracelets to work around. But then again it would've pushed the cost up more.
But the watch as a whole transcends a slightly thinner bracelet.
I give Rolex full credit for making a decent effort of the original considering that it was the widest bracelet they have ever made and they thought it was fine on the day when they singed off on it.
It was unique and in the fullness of time I think it will be regarded as a good paring with the end links as they are.

I found my brand new D-blue felt tight and just a little unforgiving through the bracelet when I first started to wear it, compared to my well worn Black dialled MK II.
The D-blue is still wearing in but there is less of a noticeable difference now.

Anybody who goes for the new model will have to wear it for a few years before they can report any noticeable differences.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by tng11

I just acquired a first gen JC a few days ago. As a guy with small wrists, I actually find it more comfortable than the SD43 despite the added weight. The thinner bracelet makes it feel less restrictive on the wrist compared to the SD43.

A great comparison.

I was wearing my new D-blue when I was trying on the Basel release SD43 at the dealers.
I also found the Bracelet on the SD43 "restrictive", and it made me realize why I don't enjoy earing watches with wider Bracelets of any kind.
especially when they have little or no discernible taper like a Rolex.
They just feel that little bit less forgiving/restrictive.

[Paul_I]

The only mistake Rolex has ever made is the oddly shaped DateJust II, so please, give them all to me.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Gary.

No matter how the people at Rolex felt about the old proportions, it certainly looks like they were aware that it was perceived as a negative by a part of the Rolex community. "Mistake" might be putting it strongly but it looks a lot like an issue they've addressed which I don't imagine they'd have done lightly..

Agreed.
However, I think after they made sure not to make the same mistake(all be it small) on the SD43.
It made it much easier for them to put a Bracelet that's wider still off the SD43onto the DSSD.

I wonder if we would be having this conversation if Rolex had opted to put a Bracelet that's 21.5 mm on the 116660.

[toolr]

Or maybe the new one is a "mistake" watch...

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I don't think they are as comparable. The Explorer 1 more likely switched to the longer hands, once Rolex used up their inventory of hands from the 36mm days. It was on purpose to use existing inventory from my perspective.

The DSSD was developed with its own unique Glidelock, so I don't think the original bracelet was an inventory issue, but design purpose instead during the Maxi introductions. As with any Rolex, style evolves. Depends the style you prefer

I think it was indeed an inventory issue.

They were trying to share Bracelet components with all the other 20 mm SS Bracelets in the entire range with using the removable links in common.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by toolr

Or maybe the new one is a "mistake" watch...

Or a hybrid between the DSSD and the SD43 and as such is not true to form despite being an update

[Rolexbanksy]

The first Deepsea I owned only lasted a week before I sold it, it was just to rock & rolling on the wrist. Albeit an 8” wrist I do like to wear my watches slightly looser than normal.
Then a few years later I bought the JC Deepsea’wore it slightly tighter this time and bingo
Luv it.
As far as proportions go’ I think it looks absolutely fine but I will be putting my name down on the new one though!

[G'ed]

About the Explorer short hand..

[007_Omega]

The overall watch is far from a mistake but it was pretty much unanimous that there were flaws with the watch and that Rolex had made design mistakes.

[gtnator]

If I follow OP’s logic, then every watch ever created prior to the latest model is a “mistake”.


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[sholzer]

Originally Posted by Ks6pd

Old one is 21mm bracelet. Not sure what the new one is but assuming 22mm.

I own the Gen 1 JC and there is noting wrong with the bracelet. Once I took the divers extension off, it is comfy.

ahh, I thought it was the same as a sub bracelet and now has the same bracelet as SD43

[WS9D]

Originally Posted by sholzer

ahh, I thought it was the same as a sub bracelet and now has the same bracelet as SD43

I wouldn't be surprised if Rolex was Rolex and made it something weird like 23mm. I searched for it online but could not find the new size. Maybe someone has seen a post from basel where they were able to measure it.