Rolex 14060m 4-liner Market Value

[nachopc]

Originally Posted by wingard_20

As we all know, prices of the rolex sports model under the 5-digit serial are slowly increasing. Some are more expensive than the newer models but others would have greater value. With regards to the no-date sub category, would the 14060m slowly takeover ref.114060?

I’ve been seeing 14060m 4-liner being sold for 9,000 USD and up which made me think, will this be the same case with the crazy pricing on the pre ceramic GMTs?








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What is four liner ? Thanks


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[mailman]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

best sports watch ever.

Besides if we play the lineage card it's a modern 5512

Same can be said for the 114060. Probably more so if you take the maxi dial into consideration.

[nachopc]

Answer found ! Mine is a 4 liner too!!!


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[stratguy]

Originally Posted by springer

It's not about production run but aesthetics with these two dial variations. The two-liner is much preferred due to the cleaner dial absent all the additional verbiage.

Not sure I agree. I know a lot of guys who prefer the 4 line, myself included.

[Nikrnic]

Originally Posted by toolr

14060M never had sel's either.

You might want to double check on that. First year for SEL's on sub was P serial no. in 2000.

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[stratguy]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

You might want to double check on that. First year for SEL's on sub was P serial no. in 2000.

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The 14060 was always fitted with the 93150 bracelet which has folded end-links. The case on the 14060, being different from the 16610, does not accept SELs.

[pigman08]

Originally Posted by Finslayer83

I felt this way but then once I held this I couldn't let it go.

That one is definitely on my shortlist... If my Swiss only 16610 weren’t my first Rolex, I’d likely trade it for a 14060M four-liner.

GO BIG ORANGE!!!


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[Nikrnic]

I agree, true for 14060 but I meant 14060 'M' which came out in 1999 but sel started in 2000 with P serial no. not all center links just the one end link between lug was solid, I believe that's correct and that it followed one year after the 16610 had them. ?

Originally Posted by stratguy

The 14060 was always fitted with the 93150 bracelet which has folded end-links. The case on the 14060, being different from the 16610, does not accept SELs.

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[stratguy]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

I agree, true for 14060 but I meant 14060 'M' which came out in 1999 but sel started in 2000 with P serial no. not all center links just the one end link between lug was solid, I believe that's correct and that it followed one year after the 16610 had them. ?

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The 14060M is the same as the 14060. I have a 14060M from 2010, and it has folded end-links. The case on all 14060s (M or otherwise) is different and the solid links won't fit.

[OldOak]

I am not too bothered about the future value but it is my favourite watch. It is my daily and the most comfortable watch I own. I did pay slightly over the odds for mine as it was NOS but it was well worth it.


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[collarcity]

The 14060 is definitely rising and I've seen clean ones selling for more than used 114060s. $7.5k seems to be the high end right now. While there's more two-line than four-line variants, I think a 14060M two-liner is the one to have because it has the upgraded movement but still retains the minimalist dial which is the prime draw of this piece.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

You might want to double check on that. First year for SEL's on sub was P serial no. in 2000.

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SELs were Never original equipment on a 14060m. I own a G serial (for Gus of course)

I have seen modified SEL bracelets Jammed on to the 14060m by grinding off the metal lip. The watch case of the date vs no date version of the sub is constructed differently and won’t accommodate the SEL type end links.


Specifically the 16610 sub has a groove cut out toward the bottom side of the case to accommodate the SEL link.

The 14060 has no such groove, the folded links braces itself along the bottom of the watch case to add the required stability that groove provides on the more modern submariner date cases.


Ps I believe the SEL began with A serial and ran through A/P/K/Y with lugholes.

[subtona]

Some may find this interesting,

As far as collectibility the 4 line 14060m submariner has roughly the same number of years production as the 16610LV anniversary (Kermit) model.


Personally I have had the 2 line 14060m and always felt underwhelmed by the dial... 4 line is my choice.

Not to be confused with the dial of the 5513 with plexi crystal that is a different animal.

[Nikrnic]

stratguy, subtona, I thought what I thought. I guess I stand corrected, I had a K 2liner, I did think it had sel's anyway I wasn't underwhelmed with it but I did get overwhelmed with the 114060 and made the switch

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[stratguy]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

stratguy, subtona, I thought what I thought. I guess I stand corrected, I had a K 2liner, I did think it had sel's anyway I wasn't underwhelmed with it but I did get overwhelmed with the 114060 and made the switch

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The 114060 is a great watch as well. I have one, although I never wear it anymore. I wore it almost daily for 18 months, but finally came to the conclusion that I prefer the 14060M.

[Vaxe]

I own (and would take) a 4liner random serial 14060m over any 14060.
It’s the last aluminum disc Sub, has parachrome bleu hairspring, and rehault.

[AdamG]

2-liner is the ‘collectors choice’

Every Sub & Sub date in production now and for almost the past decade have been 4-liners

PM, 2T & SS

2-liner is exclusive to the original (no-date) Submariner in SS

4-line dials can be seen on any random Sub & Sub Date

[RC2]

I have a 2-liner box & papers. Looks like a keeper.


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[springer]

Originally Posted by stratguy

Not sure I agree. I know a lot of guys who prefer the 4 line, myself included.

Good for you guys. I didn't intend or say everyone preferred the two-liner. If you like the 4-liner, then I like it too for you,

[R!$]

$9000 for a sub is a rip off
I paid less than half of that!

[15minprior]

Both 14060/M models have quickly risen in value over the last two years.

2-liners could've been had for sub $4,500 in 2016.

[rolexrolexjdjd]

very nice style

[R!$]

smart money is on the 2 liner

[enginerd]

Originally Posted by Blingtone

Probably not as valuable as a 2-Liner (in my opinion) - then again I'm bound to say that as I own one!

I'm with you there (because I bought one). Any of the 14060 variants are a great choice IMO.

Picked this up 5 years ago to gift to my dad for his 65th! I felt like I stole it then, and based on prices these days, can't ever lose.

[Sirschwag]

Seems prices are still rising in 2019! Not seeing as many for sale either... While I appreciate them all, I prefer the:
14060M
2-liner
!

[FrankNYC]

I definitely prefer the 2 line 14060 for a number of reasons:
1. as stated by many here, 2 lines up and 2 line below is more symmetrical
2. Patina! The Tritium hour markers will eventually turn a nice, brown shade for many. My 1993 14060 is starting to turn brownish

As far the upgrade in the 14060M, it's really negligible. These watches (whether the 14060, 14060M or 114060) are as simple as you can get, movement-wise. There are no other feature--no date, GMT function, chronograph, etc. Not a hard watch to maintain and keep within specs

[Sirschwag]

If the details matter, the early 14060M’s started having the pointed 4 on the insert (easily swapped if you prefer the flatter 4) and “Swiss Made” printed between the full 28-32 second markers (which I prefer). Earlier examples had this printed above these markers (which were shortened) to fit the text, in the same style as the Swiss - T < 25 on the 14060 dials. While most people won’t notice a timing difference between the two, the M was improved with a Breguet overcoil, as well as a full balance bridge which offeres a greater degree of stability and shock resistance. If you’re looking for that extra bit of toughness and resiliency. It’s the same movement used in today’s no date Sub. These differences are one of the many nuisances that I enjoy so much about Rolex! Can’t go wrong with any! =)

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

You might want to double check on that. First year for SEL's on sub was P serial no. in 2000.

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SEL's first appeared on late A serial Sub dates

[jay_kay]

I was always a 14060 2 Liner fan until last week when I went to a trader with the intention of buying another 16600. The dealer brought out the Sea-Dweller and when I was trying it I was comparing the thickness to my Aquanaut. He then said he has a Non-Date sub just in too and proceeded to get it from the back.

The Sub was a G14**** serial from June 2012 full set virtually unworn and had just come in from its original owner. I strapped it on and it fitted perfectly straight away and was much slimmer than the SD.

Having recently got very used to my slim 5167 the SD just felt too bulky on the wrist.

The 14060 was only £400 less than the 16600 full set that was 12 years older and much more beat up. For me, it was an easy decision and I obviously left with the 14060M 4 Liner which is now my favourite Rolex. The dial looks better IMO for having the smaller lume plots than the 114060 and the extra lines of text in the bottom half make it at a glance look like a Sea-Dweller that been on a diet and has lost its date. I also find the engraved rehaut gives the watch an added dimension and another level of interest.

There do seem to be far less 14060's available in general now and like all other models values have started to rise significantly. Just the way it is now I suppose.

It is crazy to think though that I just rebought a watch that I sold 5 years ago for 3 times what I sold it for. It is a classic that I doubt will ever leave my posession.

[Jmbarrack]

When I bought my 4 liner I purchased it because it was the newest Rolex professional model I could get in terms of production year and amount of time running in a 5 digit case design. My papers are dated December 2011.

On top of that, it features 2 things I really love which no other professional model past 2001 - 2002 features; hollow end links and lug holes.

So if you ask me, the 14060m is one of the more unique profession models out there in that you can find examples manufactured in this decade with design elements which were phased out in a previous decade. Couple that with the 4 liners engraved rehaut and some 4 liners having parachome hairsprings and you have some pretty unique pieces that in terms of age can be reletively new with low milage. Let's also not forget the Submariner IS the original professional series watch. So it's got the history on top of it.

I don't know what that means in terms of value but it will always have a place in my collection because of what's mentioned above. It's simply one of the more interesting sport pieces to me.

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