About to pick this up on the weekend. Want to check if this is legit

[freefly]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

You can believe what you want.
You can also try to dispel the facts that these watches exist.

Not wholly dispelling that they exist, only the scale of which that was implied, if they actually do exist.

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Of course I have photos of the pieces we have seen.
Why should I share with you? You already know everything.

Why? To back up your claim, and help educate your fellow watch enthusiasts.
I certainly don't know everything, but will raise an eyebrow when something just doesn't sound right.
I am always happy to concede when presented with actual facts/evidence.

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

In conclusion, I have tried to warn members here, as has CSA.

Warning others about such developments, if legitimate, is certainly a good thing.
However, unsubstantiated and/or embellished/overblown fear-mongering serves nobody...well, except those who offer authentication services I suppose...

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by JBZ

I don't want to buy a James Cameron at all, because I can't afford it.

Maybe you could provide a copy of the email. If it's a press release, then it shouldn't be confidential. That would certainly help me "find out."

I'm not closing my mind to anything, but when someone asserts something as fact, they usually back it up with evidence. That should be pretty easy for you to do, given your expertise. Yet, all you've provided are assertions. Perhaps they are well founded assertions, but they are still only that.

At the very least, has anyone informed Rolex about this situation? I would think they'd be alarmed to know that genuine movements are somehow being stolen from their factory to be used in fake watches. That would be an all hands on deck, red alert situation from their perspective.

He can't provide it because it doesn't exist.
Adam has been doing this for years. Many times a thread has been started asking if their watch is fake and many times he jumps right in and states there are many things that have him concerned or just blatantly states it's fake. When the OP will ask what looks incorrect, he takes the stance of "we don't discuss fakes on here".Then a true expert will come on and state everything looks correct and he then back tracks. Or my favorite, he will wait until a true expert comes on and comments the watch looks good and then will immediately follow behind the expert and confirm what the expert has said. He takes a defiant tone, at times because he has nothing to back his facts up. The true experts will explain what is wrong, and actually make it a learning moment unless it's totally obvious it is a fake.
Adam, just like you have told people in the past you need to take a step back and tone it down. People don't have the time to just listen to smoke being blown, just like you have stated you don't have the time to report obvious fakes on eBay....

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by freefly

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

He can't provide it because it doesn't exist.
....

Are you calling me a liar?

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Are you calling me a liar?

I'm calling you not an expert. I'm tired of clicking on threads where you have unnecessarily put people through the paces because you have claimed their watch is fake and it's not.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I'm calling you not an expert. I'm tired of clicking on threads where you have unnecessarily put people through the paces because you have claimed their watch is fake and it's not.

I NEVER claimed to be an "expert"

BUT you claimed the CSA release "Does Not Exist" - Incorrect - like most of your claims.
It exists and I do NOT LIE!

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thats fine - I NEVER claimed to be an "expert"

BUT you claimed the CSA release "Does Not Exist" - Incorrect - like most of your claims.
It exists and I do NOT LIE!

I said the email doesn't exist, The CSA does. Your fake information does not. Almost forgot...

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I said the email doesn't exist, The CSA does. Your fake information does not. Almost forgot...

:Look the CSA Email ( I REPEAT "EMAIL") DOES EXIST
You should try to learn to just apologize rather than playing with words

CSA USA sent an email warning members - it even gave a serial number.

That is a fact, now if you are calling me a liar - please say that now!

[PRSWILL]

SO I think I see what's happening here. There's counterfeiters out there buying LOWER cost REAL SeaDwellers as an example, and putting them into the Cameron cases- THAT I can see happening. There was a fraken-Cameron on this board mid-2018.
Buying a Genuine Rolex in a beat-up old case and "repackaging" them to improve margin could be done easily.

My only comment was that to attain a significant volume of 100% genuine (new) movements and putting them in fake cases- not happening. The security at ROLEX is too high and there's no way that enough movements- if any, walk away.

All of the examples you mention could EASILY be lower cost Subs/GMT/Seadweller/Seamaster movements- reboxed ands upsold and I'd believe that all day long.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

:Look the CSA Email ( I REPEAT "EMAIL") DOES EXIST
You should try to learn to just apologize rather than playing with words

CSA USA sent an email warning members - it even gave a serial number.

That is a fact, now if you are calling me a liar - please say that now!

Post the email. It's simple, show us where this is a HUGE problem now. Where ALL of these genuine movements are being put in fake cases. We would all like to see it, and when it is presented I will be glad to apologize. Trust me ask my wife, I'm wrong all the time.

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by PRSWILL

SO I think I see what's happening here. There's counterfeiters out there buying LOWER cost REAL SeaDwellers as an example, and putting them into the Cameron cases- THAT I can see happening. There was a fraken-Cameron on this board mid-2018.
Buying a Genuine Rolex in a beat-up old case and "repackaging" them to improve margin could be done easily.

My only comment was that to attain a significant volume of 100% genuine (new) movements and putting them in fake cases- not happening. The security at ROLEX is too high and there's no way that enough movements- if any, walk away.

All of the examples you mention could EASILY be lower cost Subs/GMT/Seadweller/Seamaster movements- reboxed ands upsold and I'd believe that all day long.

This makes the most sense to me as well.Take an original movement from a lesser Sub,put it in a fake Hulk Case and then part out the original Sub.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Post the email. It's simple, show us where this is a HUGE problem now. Where ALL of these genuine movements are being put in fake cases. We would all like to see it, and when it is presented I will be glad to apologize. Trust me ask my wife, I'm wrong all the time.

Jason
Please do not try to make a bargain.
While you continue to be rude and in my opinion a trouble maker - then you are stopping "decent" people here from getting valid help.

You call me a "liar" that simply is not true. I never lie, and CSA sent an Email warning members.
I was just re-reading it, and its pretty alarming!

Why should I help you or anyone based on your attitude.

Do I need your apology to prove my integrity? I think not.

And as far as being an "expert" - I do my job authenticating, loaning, buying and selling watches EVERY day.
in 13 months I bought 1 fake! Yes and it had a genuine 3135 movement.

Am I ashamed? Yes. But since then I caught 4.

I do NOT lie!

[mistermann]

Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

This makes the most sense to me as well.Take an original movement from a lesser Sub,put it in a fake Hulk Case and then part out the original Sub.

Or put a high quality non original movement into the lesser sub as well instead of parting out the sub.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Jason
Please do not try to make a bargain.
While you continue to be rude and in my opinion a trouble maker - then you are stopping "decent" people here from getting valid help.

You call me a "liar" that simply is not true. I never lie, and CSA sent an Email warning members.
I was just re-reading it, and its pretty alarming!

Why should I help you or anyone based on your attitude.

Do I need your apology to prove my integrity? I think not.

And as far as being an "expert" - I do my job authenticating, loaning, buying and selling watches EVERY day.
in 13 months I bought 1 fake! Yes and it had a genuine 3135 movement.

Am I ashamed? Yes. But since then I caught 4.

I do NOT lie!

Still haven't seen that email. Have a great evening/morning wherever you are. I'm out, I guess we can let the public decide.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Jason

And as far as being an "expert" - I do my job authenticating, loaning, buying and selling watches EVERY day.
in 13 months I bought 1 fake and I also told 150 people that their genuine watches were fakeYes and it had a genuine 3135 movement.

I fixed that for you.

On a serious note, you are so far off the mark most of the time regarding authenticity it’s a joke.

There are an unbelievable amount threads were you’ve cried fake or doesn’t look right when it’s clear to anyone who knows what they’re looking at that the watch in question is fine.

I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice this.

[CorradoBrit]

Seems like a big disconnect here

"Movement is 100% genuine and untouched
Case, dial, bezel and bracelet are fake"

"good news. Just came from a swiss watch servicing centre. They open the case and verified case, rehaut and inner mechanics and they confirmed it's genuine."

Does Rolex put a serial number on their movements?

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Does Rolex put a serial number on their movements?

Yes

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

:
CSA USA sent an email warning members - it even gave a serial number.

OK, so all the fakes you inspected personally had this serial number mentioned in the CSA email? What about the movements? If genuine Rolex, the would not have the same SN. Have you followed up with Rolex NY? They have to have interest if genuine movements are making their way into fake cases etc.

[GLADIATOR]

Double posted

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Does Rolex put a serial number on their movements?

And you question me?
Have you ever seen inside a Rolex??

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

OK, so all the fakes you inspected personally had this serial number mentioned in the CSA email? What about the movements? If genuine Rolex, the would not have the same SN. Have you followed up with Rolex NY? They have to have interest if genuine movements are making their way into fake cases etc.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT - YOU make no sense.
You really do not have a clue!

I am happy to go about my business, and you go by yours knowing safe in your bed 'There are NO GENUINE ROLEX MOVEMENTS" in fake watches.

[JBZ]

GLADIATOR - seems like you’re misleading people. I think you should stop. It could cost someone significant amounts of money.

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT - YOU make no sense.
You really do not have a clue!

I am happy to go about my business, and you go by yours knowing safe in your bed 'There are NO GENUINE ROLEX MOVEMENTS" in fake watches.

You got some real issues buddy Ignore list approved

[hurt]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

I fixed that for you.

On a serious note, you are so far off the mark most of the time regarding authenticity it’s a joke.

.

Including his comment on this thread where he told the OP his watch was a fake

[TAG_TOSSER]

I’m reading this thread as a neutral- I do not understand why this forum allows conspiracy tbeories and fake truths. Very frustrating. I honestly don’t make much of claims that are in all caps and filled with condescending comments.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Look. I am not argueing with you.
These movements are 100% GENUINE
And are flooding New York.
so much so that WATCH CSA issued a warning to all members.

I have seen 5 pieces.
Unless you are living in an environment of buying or accessing ROLEX's every day, you have NO idea
BUT
Please do not implies I can not determine a genuine modern Rolex movement from a fake!!!!!

I find it difficult to believe that enough genuine movements have escaped Rolex to FLOOD New York. New York is a big market, and flooding it would require a large volume of genuine movements.

They can't be buying them from legitimate sources (they are serial numbered and tightly controlled parts), and it would cost way too much to buy trashed authentic watches just to put their movements in fake cases. There would be no margin in that. Makes no sense at all.

[Travelair007]

Wow, heated thread!

I don’t really care for the blame game going on here so I’ll stay neutral. One thought that occurred to me was what some unscrupulous Jewelers do with diamonds. Swap a nice stone for a fake/CZ/lesser stone. This has happened and continues to happen.

I could see some unethical jeweler swapping a genuine movement for a fake at service. There’s no way that they would be getting any significant volume but perhaps enough in 47th district that it registered on a few jewelers’ radar...

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Travelair007

Wow, heated thread!

I don’t really care for the blame game going on here so I’ll stay neutral. One thought that occurred to me was what some unscrupulous Jewelers do with diamonds. Swap a nice stone for a fake/CZ/lesser stone. This has happened and continues to happen.

I could see some unethical jeweler swapping a genuine movement for a fake at service. There’s no way that they would be getting any significant volume but perhaps enough in 47th district that it registered on a few jewelers’ radar...

I made this comment here - may help a few of the sceptics understand.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...9&postcount=43
If not _ do my best.
Regards

[RLX_NY]

I don't post to often but this is just ridiculous. I've learned quite a lot from this thread. Make up things and claim as absolute truths/facts and when questioned about it, claim you don't owe it to anyone to help them out or that your being attacked and completely ignore any responsibility.

If you don't owe anyone any help, then why mention it in the first place? Let them learn on their own if you can't be bothered to help out the community and fellow members. Second you can't claim things as truths and not provide any proof to your claims, especially something that can be so easily proved or disproved by a simple email.

Thank you freefly and others for finally calling it as it is. Like I said I don't post much but spend a lot of time reading and learning and most often than not you call things fake without any basis or explanation, until other people come and say otherwise.


For what it's worth, I've lived in NYC my whole life and have not see this "flooding" of the market. It's highly impossible that so many genuine Rolex movements are being sold/misplaced to counterfeiters. However everyone has their day and like others I'd love to be proven wrong and maybe even learn something with a simple post of this "email".

[watchdawg]

Where is this supposed email warning ? It’s been asked for numerous times and not forthcoming. Does it even exist?