Simple Regulation and Watch Accuracy

[schoolboy]

That’s pretty cool, thanks for sharing!

[Tlon]

Originally Posted by directioneng

On my Timegrapher there is only on position where it runs slow and that is 6 down.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I am curious if there are any good timegraphers for non-professionals? I have a growing collection of automatic watches and would be interested in this kind of device if one could be had at a reasonable price.

[LuminousMaximus]

Awesome post and congrats for the detail!

I’m lucky to remember to change the date at the end of the month.

[Michaeli Paulo]

Originally Posted by AlexMachine

To each his own. I do like to track my watches, when I have bought them. I like to know how much it gains/loses while wearing it and how much it gains/loses when resting overnight (in different positions). Then I use it and rest it according to which position "balances" daily gain/loss best. Then I just wear them and don´'t check if they are few seconds fast or slow.

Sounds very reasonable!

Could be described as a “common sense/no nonsense” approach!

Thank you for sharing it!

Michael

[Michaeli Paulo]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

OP, very well articulated. I am always surprised by the responses that, no matter how you word the idea that you aren't complaining, you love and appreciate every aspect of your watch, etc., that there are people who have this knee jerk reaction where they have to give you their canned response (there are xx,xxx seconds in a day, you have too much time on your hands, enjoy your watch as long as it isn't more than an hour fast, etc.).

I, like you, enjoy this aspect of Rolex ownership. I think if you don't wear the same watch all the time, you'd never notice or care. But it surprises me that on a MECHANICAL WATCH FORUM, this elicits such negative posts. Oh well.

I have found, even though I wouldn't complain if my watch were less accurate, that mine tends to run a bit fast. So I lay it crown up at night, and that keeps it just about spot on. Since I do tend to focus on the stock market, when I'm not at my computer but am on my phone app, it is helpful to know exactly when the market will close. So it is helpful for that. Not so much for timing my entrance to a party, where being a minute off is inconsequential.

Anyway, glad you are enjoying your watch, and that the 15 seconds/day you spend on this doesn't preclude you from more important activities.

Brilliantly stated!

Thank you, Chiboy!

Michael

[Fred48]

As relativity new to mechanical watches in general, and Rolex in particular (Explorer 39mm 214270), I'm finding timegraphers a mixed blessing, sometimes causing more angst than called for.
After all, the bottom line is on wrist accuracy, and if my Rolex is within +/-2 spd, then it's good.
I do think that using positional variation as a means of simple regulation is very handy; I do it, and my Rolex stays spot on.

Alas, I fear that my Explorer 1 has become a collection killer - except for my Tissot altimeter, Ball GMT, and Omega Speedy Pro.

[I_am_Ned]

I use a timegrapher app to periodically measure my watches, but I actively positionally regulate my Tudor GMT. I've noticed on watches that gain or lose time regardless of position, I don't get very anal about it. However, this Tudor GMT has 368 days of WatchTracker (IOS App) data for a grand total variance of 0.0 using positional regulation over night. It's fun for me and takes five to ten seconds to take a measurement when I put the watch on, and five to ten seconds when I take it of. If I wore the DJ41 every day, or any other watch I own, I wouldn't be checking it. This GMT is so shockingly consistent, before and after date repair, that it's fun to track and regulate.

I know at some point in time in the not too distant future it won't be as consistently accurate and I will have to find something else to do in those additional 15 seconds or so a day I spend on regulation.

[Alan111]

I'll tell you what has worked for me.
When my watch is dial up/laying on it's caseback, the time advances 2 seconds per day.
When my watch is laying on its left side (opposite crown side), it will lose 2 seconds per day.
Laying it on its crown side doesn't seem to do anything. I measure against the time.gov site and this self-regulation has worked surprisingly well over the last couple of years.

[Thuilln]

Great post. Enjoy your watch, it looks really good on you. Consider yourself privileged to be a one-watch guy, and try not to fall in the trap most of us have fallen into, i.e. compulsive Rolex watches buying. I’d rather own just one…

Cheers

[wBrah]

When mine is at zero, I place is crown up to lose time. Mine loses time slower than it gains time, so in that case it can be placed crown up for several nights in a row before it needs to be placed face up to gain back that second.

[Michaeli Paulo]

Originally Posted by schoolboy

That’s pretty cool, thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

Awesome post and congrats for the detail!

I’m lucky to remember to change the date at the end of the month.

Originally Posted by Fred48

After all, the bottom line is on wrist accuracy, and if my Rolex is within +/-2 spd, then it's good.

I do think that using positional variation as a means of simple regulation is very handy; I do it, and my Rolex stays spot on.

Thank you for your positive input on this somewhat controversial subject! It’s pretty amazing; as I get to know my watch better, and how the recommended positions affect it, my Submariner is consistently hovering over “zero.” Amazing!

Michael

[gunhose]

Just enjoy wearing the watch. But I do get why some like the tech side of owning a watch.Nothing wrong with that.

[Michaeli Paulo]

Originally Posted by Alan111

I'll tell you what has worked for me.
When my watch is dial up/laying on it's caseback, the time advances 2 seconds per day.
When my watch is laying on its left side (opposite crown side), it will lose 2 seconds per day.
Laying it on its crown side doesn't seem to do anything. I measure against the time.gov site and this self-regulation has worked surprisingly well over the last couple of years.

Sounds familiar! Glad to know that Simple Regulation has been working well for you for some time now!

Michael

[Michaeli Paulo]

Originally Posted by Thuilln

Great post. Enjoy your watch, it looks really good on you. Consider yourself privileged to be a one-watch guy, and try not to fall in the trap most of us have fallen into, i.e. compulsive Rolex watches buying. I’d rather own just one…

Cheers

Thanks, Nick! I’m definitely blessed and privileged!!!

I can imagine that it must be tough to “thin the herd...”

Fortunately, (?) for me, unless something unforeseen occurs, financially, I couldn’t swing another Rolex anyway. Especially considering that the only one I would want would be a nice 4-digit Submariner.

Thanks for posting!

Michael

[Michaeli Paulo]

Just a quick update, as it’s been three months since writing the original post.

My Submariner and I seem to have settled in with each other nicely. I wear it daily and before going to sleep, slip it into its Rolex pouch and set it “winding crown down” on my nightstand.

This simple and consistent routine keeps my watch hovering at “zero” (total accuracy) all the time.

Truly a mechanical marvel!!!

Michael

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Michaeli Paulo

Just a quick update, as it’s been three months since writing the original post.

My Submariner and I seem to have settled in with each other nicely. I wear it daily and before going to sleep, slip it into its Rolex pouch and set it “winding crown down” on my nightstand.

This simple and consistent routine keeps my watch hovering at “zero” (total accuracy) all the time.

Truly a mechanical marvel!!!

Michael

Perfect
That's the way to do it

[padi56]

In over 45 years of owning and wearing Rolex watches I have never felt the need for timographs or phone apps just a simple time check once a week.Then if watch is out by perhaps a minute either way I might adjust, thank god my life is not run to the exact second.If any members life is then I feel truly sorry for them,ever since Rolex introduced this new -2+2 marketing spec seems like the CCTS syndrome has multiplied by 1000%.

[Yess]

This is really interesting. Thanks for the detailed post, OP.

[nda]

Originally Posted by gunhose

That was printed along time ago for older movements. New Rolexes usually can't be regulated that way. Guess your lucky ! My slow beat 21,600 patek will be influenced by position !

My Sky Dweller responds positively to being left dial up overnight. It takes no effort on my part and it picks up the 2 seconds it loses during the day.

It hasn't needed any adjustment from me in a month and is on 'zero' on Michael's scale! :)

I have several watches that don't hack (Breguet, Patek etc) and I never check for second hand accuracy. But if a watch hacks, it tempts the owner to keep it accurate... well, does in my case.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Michaeli Paulo

Just a quick update, as it’s been three months since writing the original post.

My Submariner and I seem to have settled in with each other nicely. I wear it daily and before going to sleep, slip it into its Rolex pouch and set it “winding crown down” on my nightstand.

This simple and consistent routine keeps my watch hovering at “zero” (total accuracy) all the time.

Truly a mechanical marvel!!!

Michael

Yes, the precision of a a Rolex movement is amazing.

It makes accuracy easy to accomplish and is fun if I can overcome my OCD Peter.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by nda

My Sky Dweller responds positively to being left dial up overnight. It takes no effort on my part and it picks up the 2 seconds it loses during the day.

It hasn't needed any adjustment from me in a month and is on 'zero' on Michael's scale! :)

I have several watches that don't hack (Breguet, Patek etc) and I never check for second hand accuracy. But if a watch hacks, it tempts the owner to keep it accurate... well, does in my case.

For my watches that don’t hack I just take the pressure off the winding crown and they usually stop.

Some will run backwards if the PR is low.

[The Libertine]

Originally Posted by springer

Some guys have wayyyy toooo much time on their hands to worry about a few seconds a day. Wow!

I agree.

[Andad]

[QUOTE=The Libertine;10294551]I agree. [/QUOTE

Like a splinter in the mind?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Yes, the precision of a a Rolex movement is amazing.

It makes accuracy easy to accomplish and is fun if I can overcome my OCD Peter.

Well when I was in to tinkering with mechanical movements I bought a Alpha chronograph off ebay bought as a replacement movement for a old chronograph.This Chinese made ST19 movement was based on the the old Swiss Venus 75, they bought up the tooling writes way back in the early 1970-s when many Swiss manufactures went bust.When tested was showing +7 daily consistent rate very good for a $60 watch.But after careful regulation got it to run consistently well inside the COSC spec.And has continued to run for many years on my grandsons wrist but I have adjusted it a few times over the years

[Andad]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well when I was in to tinkering with mechanical movements I bought a Alpha chronograph off ebay bought as a replacement movement for a old chronograph.This Chinese made ST19 movement was based on the the old Swiss Venus 75, they bought up the tooling writes way back in the early 1970-s when many Swiss manufactures went bust.When tested was showing +7 daily consistent rate very good for a $60 watch.But after careful regulation got it to run consistently well inside the COSC spec.And has continued to run for many years on my grandsons wrist but I have adjusted it a few times over the years

Hi Peter,

Hope you are well and have a great New Year.

I find I am slowing down a bit just like some of my watches.

Eddie.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by padi56

In over 45 years of owning and wearing Rolex watches I have never felt the need for timographs or phone apps just a simple time check once a week.Then if watch is out by perhaps a minute either way I might adjust, thank god my life is not run to the exact second.If any members life is then I feel truly sorry for them,ever since Rolex introduced this new -2+2 marketing spec seems like the CCTS syndrome has multiplied by 1000%.

I really don’t think that was the OP‘s intention Peter. I think he’s just enjoying his mechanical Marvel and having some fun with it by tweaking the accuracy. I doubt he’s obsessed by it because that would be pointless. I keep track of the accuracy of all my mechanical watches just for fun. Some lose or gain 15 seconds a day and I couldn’t care less. However it’s still fun to check out. I’m sure that’s all he’s doing.

I do have a question about his submariner. This is pure ignorance on my part so I would love some education please. How can he have a holes case and still have an engraved rehaut? When did they stop making holes cases for subs and when did they start engraving the rehaut? Thanks.

[Andad]

The 14060 has always had a ‘holes’ case as you have described.

Including those with the engraved rehaute.

Makes it easy to slip on a NATO.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I really don’t think that was the OP‘s intention Peter. I think he’s just enjoying his mechanical Marvel and having some fun with it by tweaking the accuracy. I doubt he’s obsessed by it because that would be pointless. I keep track of the accuracy of all my mechanical watches just for fun. Some lose or gain 15 seconds a day and I couldn’t care less. However it’s still fun to check out. I’m sure that’s all he’s doing.

I do have a question about his submariner. This is pure ignorance on my part so I would love some education please. How can he have a holes case and still have an engraved rehaut? When did they stop making holes cases for subs and when did they start engraving the rehaut? Thanks.

There is no 100% date on most all things Rolex but it was from 2002 end of Y serial early 2003,the non lugs holes started to make there appearance on most models.From around 2004 Serial F/D on some models the Rolex Rolex Rolex started on the Rehaut ring but not on all models in the same time frame but posters Sub is a non date they always had lug holes right up to being discontinued.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by directioneng

The 14060 has always had a ‘holes’ case as you have described.

I got that description from reading it literally hundreds of times on this forum when describing a sub for sale with a “holes case”. Anyway I didn’t realize the 14060 had an engraved rehaut also. As I stated I’m ignorant on this and was hoping for some detailed education.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree the most important to me at the moment is when I wake up I can see the time it proves I am still alive, now thats far more important than worrying over a second or so.

Exactly why I'm wearing tritium lumed watches at night. My luminovas leave me in doubt.