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hutch300 · 14 September 2020, 01:41 PM

I think you are right! but to me the vintage line should be tritium dial or not. But it is all VERY subjective.

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Originally Posted by Chrislec

Like with wine, wait until they age a bit on the color (yellow-ish hour markers, bezel fading etc.). Call it vintage or not, they will still be desirable.

My guess is they will be in high demand in a decade or two, due to the combo of vintage patina + robustness of materials (like saphire) making them not as fragile as older vintage.

Sandpit · 14 September 2020, 02:38 PM

Not vintage, but I don't think that matters. I think watches from the 80s and 90s (whilst not vintage) will continue seeing a resurgence in popularity as the people that grew up in that era (me) look back with some nostalgia.

The same is happening with 80s and 90s cars that kids drooled over.

The 16610 and watches in that timeframe sit within a funny position on this forum though. The general forum is just stuffed full with grey dealer and 6 digit talk, and these 5 digits obviously aren't discussed much in the vintage section.

Nikrnic · 14 September 2020, 03:02 PM

It seems like but its only been discontinued for 9 yrs. It is a classic however.

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Andad · 14 September 2020, 06:42 PM

How about ‘Vinsolete’ Adam??

padi56 · 14 September 2020, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MoosicPa

Now that Rolex has a second ceramic bezel submariner upgrade (116610 and 216610), can we now classify the last aluminum bezeled model (16610) to be a vintage piece?

Many today feel twenty five years old qualifies a given reference as vintage while some collectors feel a true vintage piece must have a plexi plastic crystal.Although the 16610 was introduced in 1988 IMHO its got a long way to becoming or called vintage.

Greg.A · 14 September 2020, 09:45 PM

Give it another century and it will be vintage

garyk · 14 September 2020, 09:49 PM

25 year old cars are entitled to historic license tags in some places...

JParm · 14 September 2020, 09:51 PM

I wouldn't call my 16710 vintage by any means.

Modern classic? Yeah, I could live with that!

Mr DateJust · 14 September 2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by supernova

Doesn't Rolex class a watch being 25 years+ as vintage and different service pricing, or am I thinking of a different brand?

Yeah there is some sort of cut off where they class a watch as vintage or classic. Can’t remember the wording they use and there is different service pricing. I think it’s to do with when the model was discontinued but I can’t remember.

Bruno Datejust · 14 September 2020, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Introduced in 1989. Cars from that era would be called a 'modern classic'.

I wouldn't call it vintage.

"A Rolex classic" could be another very similar definition. Subs have had for decades the overall apeareance of the 16610.

kevlee · 17 September 2020, 09:47 AM

“Old but not obsolete “ - says the terminator

watchmainspring · 17 September 2020, 09:49 AM

Looks pretty modern to me.

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FreshPrince14 · 17 September 2020, 09:59 AM

I tend to class "vintage" as anything over 30 years, similarly to the way cars are classed. So while the 16610 as a model is not "vintage" in my book, any 16610s produced between 1987 and 1990 I would class as vintage.

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ddaly12 · 17 September 2020, 10:20 AM

It will be interesting to see how the glossy, applied white gold, non-tritium lume dials age over time. One thing is for sure... they aren’t making any more 5-digit subs!! I for one love my 16710... sure feels like a classic to me... very different feel and case shape vs. modern ceramic bezels and maxi superluminova dials. I’m thinking now is the time to pick up a 5 digit sub... will be vintage, or neo-vintage, or classic, or whatever soon enough. Certainly out of print!

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calebb90 · 17 September 2020, 10:49 AM

I say no. But I also saw a guy on Instagram the other day refer to his Hulk as vintage. The “hypebeasts” ruin everything.

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L_S_SHOE · 17 September 2020, 10:57 AM

Definitely not. The 5 digits were discontinued only 12 yrs ago.

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Casey VP-26 · 18 September 2020, 02:20 AM

The higher the price goes on a 16610, the more vintage it will get.

ltmgeller · 18 September 2020, 02:29 AM

Still a beauty.

Sandpit · 18 September 2020, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by L_S_SHOE

Definitely not. The 5 digits were discontinued only 12 yrs ago.

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Less than that. My 16610 is dated 2010

Onikage · 18 September 2020, 03:49 AM

To the inexperienced maybe. The first ceramics are now the old one. Aluminium = Vintage. Ooo you have a vintage Sub. So cool. Instagram ready.

Roddypeepa · 18 September 2020, 04:23 AM

I thought vintage was >25 y?

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101031-28 · 18 September 2020, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Introduced in 1989. Cars from that era would be called a 'modern classic'.

I wouldn't call it vintage.

This

Dr. Robert · 18 September 2020, 05:59 AM

I’d say neo-vintage.

Ketler · 18 September 2020, 06:08 AM

No

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14 September 2020, 02:38 PM	#32
Sandpit "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Middle East Posts: 1,808	Not vintage, but I don't think that matters. I think watches from the 80s and 90s (whilst not vintage) will continue seeing a resurgence in popularity as the people that grew up in that era (me) look back with some nostalgia. The same is happening with 80s and 90s cars that kids drooled over. The 16610 and watches in that timeframe sit within a funny position on this forum though. The general forum is just stuffed full with grey dealer and 6 digit talk, and these 5 digits obviously aren't discussed much in the vintage section.

14 September 2020, 03:02 PM	#33
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,171	It seems like but its only been discontinued for 9 yrs. It is a classic however. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

14 September 2020, 09:45 PM	#36
Greg.A "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hillside Posts: 364	Give it another century and it will be vintage

17 September 2020, 09:47 AM	#41
kevlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Jersey Watch: Sub & Datejust Posts: 7	“Old but not obsolete “ - says the terminator

17 September 2020, 09:59 AM	#43
FreshPrince14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: TRF Watch: 16710 & 6694 Posts: 791	I tend to class "vintage" as anything over 30 years, similarly to the way cars are classed. So while the 16610 as a model is not "vintage" in my book, any 16610s produced between 1987 and 1990 I would class as vintage. Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk

17 September 2020, 10:20 AM	#44
ddaly12 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Cranford Posts: 704	It will be interesting to see how the glossy, applied white gold, non-tritium lume dials age over time. One thing is for sure... they aren’t making any more 5-digit subs!! I for one love my 16710... sure feels like a classic to me... very different feel and case shape vs. modern ceramic bezels and maxi superluminova dials. I’m thinking now is the time to pick up a 5 digit sub... will be vintage, or neo-vintage, or classic, or whatever soon enough. Certainly out of print! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

17 September 2020, 10:49 AM	#45
calebb90 Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: USA Posts: 905	I say no. But I also saw a guy on Instagram the other day refer to his Hulk as vintage. The “hypebeasts” ruin everything. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

17 September 2020, 10:57 AM	#46
L_S_SHOE "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Tennessee, USA Watch: 16800 Posts: 584	Definitely not. The 5 digits were discontinued only 12 yrs ago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 September 2020, 02:20 AM	#47
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,718	The higher the price goes on a 16610, the more vintage it will get.

18 September 2020, 03:49 AM	#50
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	To the inexperienced maybe. The first ceramics are now the old one. Aluminium = Vintage. Ooo you have a vintage Sub. So cool. Instagram ready. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

18 September 2020, 04:23 AM	#51
Roddypeepa "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Real Name: Mark Location: Southern England Watch: DJ41 SubC SMP mast Posts: 1,675	I thought vintage was >25 y? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 September 2020, 05:59 AM	#53
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,008	I’d say neo-vintage. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

18 September 2020, 06:08 AM	#54
Ketler "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: USA Posts: 467	No

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