Tim Mosso weighs in on new Submariner debate

[JR16]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Totally — I find his vids always informative and enlightening. And because he sells virtually all brands, I don’t see any real conflict. He points out all the amazing aspects of them all. And, as ben clymer said when he faced the same criticism — essentially, ‘they’re watches! It’s all good!’

+1


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[vh2k]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Not a clue who he is.... Please mods close this thread.

Click bait.... no thanks.

Such an embarrassing comment. You should have just ignored the thread and moved on.

[vh2k]

Originally Posted by Ranger67

Agreed, this is the 3rd thread the OP has posted with videos on the same thing, yawn!!!

And you follow them closely and comment on every one.

[Mick006]

I would’ve preferred them to slim the lugs and keep everything else the same, excluding movement.

No discussion in the video about the wider bracelet, which is a negative in my mind.

[101031-28]

Originally Posted by tswanenguni

who ??

I make my own decisions.

+1

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Ranger67

How many videos are you going to post saying the same thing?

Rather go with simply, I agree.

[Nikrnic]

Tim does a pretty good job overall sticking to and hitting on a lot of details in a limited time span. Of course when a new model comes out it's going to be compared to the now older one it's replacing. I however don't look at it like a competition. I like them all for their own characteristics. Having a 14060 and 114060 I can appreciate that and do love both for what they are, same goes for the 5 & 6dgt Gmt. I do like the looks of the 12 Sub and may add one if it feels good on the wrist, my only small concern is the bracelet/clasp and how the 41mm dial may look a little too big on my 7" wrist, although I doubt that. One thing I know I'm not crazy about having a DJ41 with the 3235 is the backwards stem rotation when setting the time. I'm a big diver fan and have many, they dominate my collection and also feel you can't have too many so I'm looking forward to seeing one soon, hopefully when I visit my AD next week although I'm in no rush to buy one. Actually being a big Milgauss fan I've thinking more lately to adding a black lv to go with my Zblue.

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[Big Sexy]

I can honestly say they have never made a sub I didn’t like. They are all awesome for various reasons. My favorite are the maxi subs...just personal preference.

[Bladeshot]

Mosso has such a great voice, and nice approach in each of his videos. I’m a fan.

He’s in sales. He is literately selling every watch he videos. I appreciate his videos for what they are: a wonderful product presentation.

“Old sub vs new sub” is a collage of opinions. We know what people say about opinions. Everyone has one. No single one is “right”. That’s why it’s called an opinion.

I do like the new sub design. I like the 4-digits, 5-digits and 11 series too.

Owners: Enjoy your sub, whatever it is.

[Fenix84]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Close the thread because you don’t know who he is? Hilarious. He’s like the most knowledgeable watch person on the planet tho as some note operates under the typical sales conflict: works for a major AD for basically all brands. But his knowledge is stunning.

Agreed Tim knows his stuff and is very respected, but at the end of the day this is a very subjective. It amazes me how worked up people are getting over such a small change.

[Dilemma]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Not a clue who he is.... Please mods close this thread.

What would this place be without citizens like you ‘Helping.’

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

Bit unfair on Mosso. His company will make more money selling and trading the older model than the new one. Because, after ten years, there are far more of them available in the market. He has a vested interest in downplaying the new model. But he doesn’t.
What’s more, he repeatedly favours more obscure watches when it wouid be easier to stick to the mainstream. Are we to assume that every single person with any commercial involvement cannot be trusted? That everyone is, in some sense, corrupted? And what about members of the forum? Are we all biased because we admire Rolex? Assuming bad motives can be a slippery slope.
And finally, he is surely right, the new Sub does look better. But then I’m probably biased too!

Wait a minute! So everyone is biased????

Perhaps we should just make our own decisions about what we like!

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

I can honestly say they have never made a sub I didn’t like. They are all awesome for various reasons. My favorite are the maxi subs...just personal preference.

Maybe that’s related to the username?

[Sinanamus]

Of course he emphasizes positives, he's a salesman. But he knows more about watches than anyone else on the planet save actual watchmakers, he's extremely articulate, and there is a LOT to learn from his videos, despite the sales pitch. Seems a lot of undeserved hate for him here. His content is a gift to anyone who wants to take a deep dive into watches.

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[goodolejr]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I have a hard time understanding why he wears a mask making it difficult to hear and understand him when he is alone.

Virtue signaling.

[Kliminator]

Surprised at the amount of people here who don't know of Tim Mosso. There are literally hundreds of videos of his reviews on YouTube.. He is a encyclopedia of knowledge when it comes to watches and I also find his videos very interesting and informative.

It's funny to think about the ability to control mind share on the internet. Not saying this actually happens (in Rolex's case), but if Rolex (or any brand for that matter) were to have a bunch of watch content / influencers comment on how great the latest model is... how a lot of folks in the community begin to perpetuate this narrative. Grand Seiko makes fantastic watches but their 'presence' hasn't been as prominent via these channels. I have definitely noticed a change in the last 1-2 years as it seems they are trying to focus more here to build more brand identity / awareness.

Not to say that the proportions of the new model aren't better -- it seems like they are. But the amount of hype around in relation to minor changes (actually <1mm) to the watch I find is imbalanced.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Sinanamus

Of course he emphasizes positives, he's a salesman. But he knows more about watches than anyone else on the planet save actual watchmakers, he's extremely articulate, and there is a LOT to learn from his videos, despite the sales pitch. Seems a lot of undeserved hate for him here. His content is a gift to anyone who wants to take a deep dive into watches.

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I think saying he knows more about watches than anyone else on the planet is a bit of a stretch. I have always thought his universe of knowledge to run with the same usual terms, free sprung balance, Brequet overcoil and the basic finishes to name a few. The same over and over for each review. This level of knowledge can easily be obtained with a little study. His prowess to me is the ability to put a positive spin on the products they are offering for sale.

[Fleetlord]

Not really surprised at the reactions..

Overall the TRF membership has little regard or use for Youtube content makers in the wristwatch space.

[Big Sexy]

Originally Posted by Bladeshot

Maybe that’s related to the username?

Indeed...I’m 6’3. Still there are limits though. I can’t pull off a dsd and a sd43 is borderline

[jets]

I like Mosso. He is smart, well spoken and does a good job of pointing out features and talking points without sounding biased all the time. He also thinks before he speaks and does not bog down the flow with uhms, ehhs and you knows all the time. In my experience his videos are great because it’s better than combing through photos while getting informed simultaneously.

That said he gave everyone that wouldn’t otherwise know the difference between a 116 and 126 all that info in five minutes. Let’s string him up.


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[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

Exactly. He’s a pitchman for WatchBox.

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

Indeed...I’m 6’3. Still there are limits though. I can’t pull off a dsd and a sd43 is borderline

I bet the 11 case proportions work well for you. Had not thought about that.

I’ve got a DBlue but it’s not an every day watch. I was self conscious about it at first. Had a SD43 but the tiny case-back hurt me. DBlue is incredibly comfortable. I just have to not let the thickness trigger my OCD.

[jerryguo]

both are great, there is no point arguing one is better than the other.

Rolex should come out with some more interesting stuff so people can stop talking about lugs and bracelet widths...

[synrrgy]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Who ??

I make my own decisions.

+1 absolutely agree!

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by jerryguo

both are great, there is no point arguing one is better than the other.

Rolex should come out with some more interesting stuff so people can stop talking about lugs and bracelet widths...

0.5mm here and 1mm there ...

This Sub talk are really getting boring .
The OPs are much more exciting ,surprising and fresh .

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Tim Mosso weighed in this morning...

Full comment/review:

https://youtu.be/EPzOIvIHuX4

“the new Submariner has a much more elegantly tapered case profile”

“they (lugs) are a bit more spare and graceful now”

How many times are you going to rehash the subject of the new Sub and being more elegant? You are definitely trolling for responses, IMO. It is becoming painfully obvious mate.

[Polarexplorerii]

Originally Posted by bondtoys

Isn‘t Tim Mosso by profession automatically obliged to find new stuff that they can sell for a premium - better?

I would not care too much about what he says and from his videos, he does seldom point out negatives at all. It‘s all about the sales pitch

I agree!

[Bruno Datejust]

I don't care so much about opinions. The 116 has more character and identity than the 126. Simply in MY opinion.. But anyway with the ongoing supply shortage it's hard to see them in real world, and photos are never a complete info, so videos are very helpful to give a somehow 3D complete idea of the watch.

[mrockperez]

I think OP fell for the sales pitch lol

[Wizardly]

Originally Posted by vh2k

Tim Mosso weighed in this morning...

Full comment/review:

https://youtu.be/EPzOIvIHuX4

“the new Submariner has a much more elegantly tapered case profile”

“they (lugs) are a bit more spare and graceful now”

How many posts is this now, plus two 'polls' that poke at 10 years of Sub owners? Were you jilted by an AD? Does your arch enemy own a Maxi case?