Rolex for JLC Trade Thoughts

[Gab27]

How do you plan to wear it? Is the MG a daily watch for you and would the Reverso take that position? I really like the JLC, I think I would probably destroy it in daily wear.

[Fleetlord]

Can only approve trading Rolex into Patek, AP, Journe, RM or Omega Snoopy Speedies.

I'm not saying don't acquire the the JLC, just not at the cost of trading Rolex for it.

[vesnyder]

I just added the JLC Reverso to the collection this past year and love it. As I am starting to travel more I am gettimg more and more use of it. Was never a big fan of the Milgauss, I would male the trade.

[polaris72]

Both are great watches, very different though. As an owner or Reverso, it is a fun watch to wear (have duoface with GMT function). Also switching the dials from white to black feels as having 2 watches for the price of one. Acquired few straps with quick release spring bars and now I have a very versatile watch capable of dressing up or down. Accurate movement and does not feel fragile at all.

That said, I would try to add it to collection and not a trade.

[Golfbone]

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

[GST15]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

This!

[broham84]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

I too own multiple watches from both brands. Remind me which JLC uses modified ETA? This is pure fiction

[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

Think your knowledge of JLC movements is temporarily failing you.


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[inadeje]

The reverso is more of a ladies watch size wise. Yes, yes, I know that until 40 years ago mens watches were mainly 36mm or less, but today is today and the reverso is very feminine in my eyes. It doesn’t even cut it as a purely dress watch IMHO.

[polaris72]

Originally Posted by inadeje

The reverso is more of a ladies watch size wise. Yes, yes, I know that until 40 years ago mens watches were mainly 36mm or less, but today is today and the reverso is very feminine in my eyes. It doesn’t even cut it as a purely dress watch IMHO.

47/48 mm for the large Reverso is ladies size watch? Maybe if a lady is 6’3” and weighs 165 lb, then yes, large Reverso would fit her. In terms of the dress watch, you are right, could be a sports watch with proper bracelet or a dress watch with alligator.

[Michael T]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

I can not recall any JLC watches with ETA movements. The Reverso here is a classic dress watch of a decent size approx 27mm x 47mm, with a cool two dial design. Not too small, but definitely a dress watch.

[ramenlover]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

Stop spreading misinformation. JLC movements are in-house

[subdownunder]

Asking a Rolex forum this question? Is like asking a Tiger whats more appetising meat or vegetables .....

I own 2 JLC's and 3 Rolex, plus Omega, Tudor and Grand Seiko.

Anyone who argues that Rolex is an upgrade to a JLC really has swallowed the cool aid.

While they are both beautiful watch brands JLC is a watchmaker, Rolex a brand that makes watches.

Different watches for different people/functions. I love my Reverso and my Master Calendar Moon phase, they are often referred to as a Patek at a Rolex price, Grand Seiko also is starting to be seen in the same light. I get compliments and interest in my JLC's (and my GS) from watch lovers who know about watches, not questions from people who often ask, like is it real? or comments that I must be well off wearing a Rolex. I wear my JLC's for both formal and casual occasions, and it adds to the experience knowing, that if my great grandfather saw the Reverso he would recognise it.

I also love the Rolexes. but for different reasons; and fine watchmaking is not one that I associate with the brand. Much like Omega and Tudor I love the designs and the robustness of them, but lately, am favouring the Tudors and Omegas simply because they can be worn without the aforementioned attention and assumptions.

So my advise is to keep the Rolex as a hedge against depreciation and a good example of the brand, and save for a Reverso as an additional watch. Reverso's have been around for nearly 90 years and will continue to be at a competitive price. But... forget the complicated ones go for a grande version or the 976 version... simple, elegant and in keeping with the original purpose of the design; a reversible sports watch that evolved into a dress watch.

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

Think your knowledge of JLC movements is temporarily failing you.


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Really? Guess again. I just took this picture now....check the time and date on the watch. Look at the movement. It's a modified ETA.

[ramenlover]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

Really? Guess again. I just took this picture now....check the time and date on the watch. Look at the movement. It's a modified ETA.

How is that a modified ETA lol

[whited3]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

Really? Guess again. I just took this picture now....check the time and date on the watch. Look at the movement. It's a modified ETA.

Aand it seems ETA have outdone themselves

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by whited3

Aand it seems ETA have outdone themselves

I wish.....this watch (JLC Master Moon) has needed to go back to the shop for repairs more than any of my other watches. I've spent far more money fixing it than I paid for it new. It's a nice looking piece but the quality is nowhere near my Pateks and the reliability, feel of the piece, smoothness, just the level of quality in hand is beneath my IWC or Rolex pieces IMO. Lovely looking piece but I would never compare this to a Lange, Patek, Vacheron etc. The only other piece I own that has given me near as much mechanical trouble as this Jaeger Master Moon is my Franck Muller Conquistador which has also cost me almost as much in repairs as I paid for it. Both have given me more trouble than they were worth but at least the Jaeger is worth more than I paid for it. Not so for the Franck Muller. Stick with Rolex

[subdownunder]

Originally Posted by ramenlover

How is that a modified ETA lol

in the late 1970's to early 1980's JLC were struggling with the Quartz phenomena and turned to A. Schild, progenitor of today’s ETA for a line of lower cost automatic watches called the 'Club".

Very few of these exist today and are becoming collectable, and yes, they sport a lower cost ETA movement.

Jaeger-LeCoultre Club watches are mostly unknown. They don’t get the respect of the in-house models from Le Sentier, but they’re fine watches for daily use.

So yes, JLC did for a very short while make watches with ETA movements, it saved the brand.

[psv]

No on that trade for me.

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by subdownunder

in the late 1970's to early 1980's JLC were struggling with the Quartz phenomena and turned to A. Schild, progenitor of today’s ETA for a line of lower cost automatic watches called the 'Club".

Very few of these exist today and are becoming collectable, and yes, they sport a lower cost ETA movement.

Jaeger-LeCoultre Club watches are mostly unknown. They don’t get the respect of the in-house models from Le Sentier, but they’re fine watches for daily use.

So yes, JLC did for a very short while make watches with ETA movements, it saved the brand.

I had so much trouble with my Master Moon...I kept sending it back to Jaeger and it kept coming back and would break again or not work. I found a watchmaker about 10 years ago in Philly who was able to fix it and he told me that the movement is modified ETA and not great quality. Since he fixed it it's run without a hitch but my experience with Jaeger service was an expensive nightmare. Rolex is the easiest high end watch to get serviced but to be honest....they rarely ever need it. I have more Rolexes than I have counted and I can't remember the last time any of them have stopped working. They are the most reliable and solid, trouble free, easy to service and surprisingly reasonable to have serviced at RSC. For comparison my wife's quartz Patek Gondolo cost me 4 grand for routine service. What a joke. A quartz watch! She hardly wears it now because she prefers her Rolexes. As do I.

[subdownunder]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

I had so much trouble with my Master Moon...I kept sending it back to Jaeger and it kept coming back and would break again or not work. I found a watchmaker about 10 years ago in Philly who was able to fix it and he told me that the movement is modified ETA and not great quality. Since he fixed it it's run without a hitch but my experience with Jaeger service was an expensive nightmare. Rolex is the easiest high end watch to get serviced but to be honest....they rarely ever need it. I have more Rolexes than I have counted and I can't remember the last time any of them have stopped working. They are the most reliable and solid, trouble free, easy to service and surprisingly reasonable to have serviced at RSC. For comparison my wife's quartz Patek Gondolo cost me 4 grand for routine service. What a joke. A quartz watch! She hardly wears it now because she prefers her Rolexes. As do I.

We often forget that like cars there is a considerable after market price to owning fine watches. The higher the value and the more complications the higher the ownership cost.

Thank goodness one of the marvels of the mechanical movement is that they are generally so reliable.

[Michael T]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

Really? Guess again. I just took this picture now....check the time and date on the watch. Look at the movement. It's a modified ETA.

Jaeger-LeCoultre caliber 891/448 automatic movement?

[daOnlyBG]

Originally Posted by Master_Grogu

What’s the point of going halfway. These are not finished to top notch standards, they have weird design decisions and it’s just a case of being a middle high end, which for me is just neither luxury nor affordable, so…

Word.

[dba]

No.

[101031-28]

I would keep the Milgauss.

[broham84]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

Really? Guess again. I just took this picture now....check the time and date on the watch. Look at the movement. It's a modified ETA.

Please enlighten us which ETA movement this is.

[asiparks]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

I had so much trouble with my Master Moon...I kept sending it back to Jaeger and it kept coming back and would break again or not work. I found a watchmaker about 10 years ago in Philly who was able to fix it and he told me that the movement is modified ETA and not great quality. Since he fixed it it's run without a hitch but my experience with Jaeger service was an expensive nightmare. Rolex is the easiest high end watch to get serviced but to be honest....they rarely ever need it. I have more Rolexes than I have counted and I can't remember the last time any of them have stopped working. They are the most reliable and solid, trouble free, easy to service and surprisingly reasonable to have serviced at RSC. For comparison my wife's quartz Patek Gondolo cost me 4 grand for routine service. What a joke. A quartz watch! She hardly wears it now because she prefers her Rolexes. As do I.

How old then is this JLC master moon ? Is that an 891/2/440 movement ?
IWC used modified Eta and they design and engineer in-house movements. The performance/reliability of one has little bearing on the other.

[Casotakar]

What’s your life style like?
What hobbies are you doing?
Are these watches huge financial decisions?
Do you love both the brands?

I’d consider these and a few other questions when determining if the trade works well. I wear my watches mainly tailored to my daily dress, activities, and personality. T shirts, jeans, shorts, skate shoes, maybe a polo if meeting friends at a bar for cocktails. I’m never caught in a suit, dress shoes, long sleeve button up at meetings or fancy dinner parties and most my friends don’t even know a thing about watches. Mainly apple and smart watch crowd or NO WATCH, we don’t even talk watches.

To me, the two watches you propose serve quite different life styles. Not ALWAYS about money or value of the watch in every situation! It’s about what makes you happy and fits in your life. Good luck!

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by asiparks

How old then is this JLC master moon ? Is that an 891/2/440 movement ?
IWC used modified Eta and they design and engineer in-house movements. The performance/reliability of one has little bearing on the other.

My IWC is a 3717....modified Valjoux 7750. Great watch that was my main daily wear for a long time. Most legible Chronograph I've ever seen. Very reliable and extremely well made case and band.

My JLC I believe is from 1999 or right around then. I would not compare this piece to a Patek....just looking at the rotor movement, finish etc. it's not in the same league. Nor is it any where near the same price range.

There's a very good reason Rolex is where it is in terms of the food chain of being recognized by people who don't know much about watches and being in demand by people who do. If I was going to own one watch it would be a Rolex Submariner....not a Patek Nautilus (I have both). And that would be no matter who was paying for it. The IWC is also an excellent choice for a watch that you could rely on day in and day out and get great performance and use out of while beating the crap out of it. Something to be said for that IMO.

[Daveh777]

My friend I definitely would not do this trade. Imagine yourself in a week or so’s time and imagine how you would feel re the trade.