RSC Singapore : 116660 Deep Sea Over polished caseback

[Arwhin]

Hi Jona, DM101 and Sin Hulk, Thanks for the post, Yes I picked it up like $1,000 to $1,500 cheaper than the current selling/asking price in Singapore grey market, guess for the condition which I was willing to accept (Not too bad condition to be honest,even RSC said was well taken care, oly wear and tear-13 years)

Yes, it is expensive service, but I worked out $2000 divided by 13 years = 153.00 per year, which is fair for an investment and comes with 2 year international warranty, where I can always use it outside Singapore unlike local watch shops, limited to the country only. In addition, I can sell it folks outside Singapore with a Rolex warranty and authentication. I doubt I will be sending it to RSC for another 10 years.


Technically : SGD $1,000 ( it is the set price for any overhaul)
Additional : I could have left it at overhaul without the accessories, but this is collection piece and so why not just do it one time and put it a side.

It will be 20 years old in just 7 years and has never been serviced, thats scary for a solid engineered timepiece.


The most important experience / takeaway about sending in a pre-owned to RSC is that after all these years and multiple ownerships, the watch finally places your name to it and it it is yours in writing- that's priceless

[SinHulk]

Congrats once again

Originally Posted by Arwhin

Hi Jona, DM101 and Sin Hulk, Thanks for the post, Yes I picked it up like $1,000 to $1,500 cheaper than the current selling/asking price in Singapore grey market, guess for the condition which I was willing to accept (Not too bad condition to be honest,even RSC said was well taken care, oly wear and tear-13 years)

Yes, it is expensive service, but I worked out $2000 divided by 13 years = 153.00 per year, which is fair for an investment and comes with 2 year international warranty, where I can always use it outside Singapore unlike local watch shops, limited to the country only. In addition, I can sell it folks outside Singapore with a Rolex warranty and authentication. I doubt I will be sending it to RSC for another 10 years.


Technically : SGD $1,000 ( it is the set price for any overhaul)
Additional : I could have left it at overhaul without the accessories, but this is collection piece and so why not just do it one time and put it a side.

It will be 20 years old in just 7 years and has never been serviced, thats scary for a solid engineered timepiece.


The most important experience / takeaway about sending in a pre-owned to RSC is that after all these years and multiple ownerships, the watch finally places your name to it and it it is yours in writing- that's priceless

[joli160]

Nice, I actually like the original better than the new one.
The protruding end links especially look nicer to me compared to the flush and suits the all function engineering philosophy behind this watch.

[Arwhin]

Thanks Sinhulk!

[OrangeSport]

Originally Posted by wilsonpepper

It actually can be done.

Yes, we've had a couple with the crown perfectly upright (by chance, but still nice)...

[Arwhin]

Yes that's is true, I have a upright crown on the 126660 Deep Sea, by Chance, didn't even know it was, only after a few weeks reading a thread on crowns and coronets. Looks complete like in Rolex's website, but no biggy!

[wilsonpepper]

Originally Posted by JonaG

But surely then you'd have to baby it so that it doesn't go askew over time?

True Dat !

Set the time and date, and use a watch winder !

[Demon Barber]

I have no earthly idea wtf is going on with this post. The titanium caseback is a beadblasted appearance stock, not brushed. No RSC would do that to a deep-sea caseback. And maybe it's just the picture, but the whole brushed finish looks like you took sandpaper to it. Am I missing something here?

[Arwhin]

I am surprised to learn, a handful here are shocked that Rolex even "exist" in Japan.
I even have the complete Japanese ROLEX manuals along with the English ones, that dedicated Rolex is for Japan market.

https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and...pan/tokyo.html
http://www.tokei.or.jp/member/rolexj...ex/e-post.html

[joli160]

Originally Posted by Arwhin

I am surprised to learn, a handful here are shocked that Rolex even "exist" in Japan.
I even have the complete Japanese ROLEX manuals along with the English ones, that dedicated Rolex is for Japan market.

https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and...pan/tokyo.html
http://www.tokei.or.jp/member/rolexj...ex/e-post.html

Well, you did make it sound that your DSSD is a Japanese model whilst it is in fact the same like any other. The paperwork comes in any language depending where it is sold.
Afaik there is only one Rolex exclusively introduced for the Japanese Domestic Market and that is the turn o graph with green hand and date.

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by joli160

Well, you did make it sound that your DSSD is a Japanese model whilst it is in fact the same like any other. The paperwork comes in any language depending where it is sold.
Afaik there is only one Rolex exclusively introduced for the Japanese Domestic Market and that is the turn o graph with green hand and date.

Thanks joli160, that's very good information I am all new to this watch business ( forums), I just buy anything I like and use them for decades. This DSSD is for collection but am sure I will use it. Thanks again.

[travisb]

All good news and you're doing the right thing by getting the full treatment through RSC. Looking forward to the results.

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by travisb

All good news and you're doing the right thing by getting the full treatment through RSC. Looking forward to the results.

Thank you. Sure in about 3 to 4 weeks, will share the pre-post RSC work, we can all analyze.

[Arwhin]

Hello Everyone, I was suppose to come back to you with the photos in 3 weeks time but guess what happen today?

RSC Singapore called me and said I will have to change the clasp cover and clasp lock in order to complete the entire services or service will be rejected, how is interesting is that? and another S$1500 after discount for the clasp, mind you. ( total service coming to S$3,500/ USD$3000). I am freezing the entire service.

Told them that they should have quoted me way ahead and I can't see how changing clasp will get the movement in order? No can do that's their answer!

Only good takeaway is : free inspection and authentication (saved me $100 and my name in Rolex system for a pre-owned 2008 Deep Sea watch)

Sorry No RSC serviced photo for now will try Thailand RSC when I head up to visit my in laws in Dec.

Any feedback is super welcome! Thanks.

[joli160]

Strange that they insist on a new clasp cover if it was not damaged.
I would have gotten my watch back as well. Plenty of independent’s can service that movement.
Pressure testing to 3900m is another story, but 100m would suffice for me.

Btw, Rolex does not keep track of ownership unlike Patek, your name is not registered.
Even the new 2020 warranty cards have no more space to write your name.

[Zsprings]

Originally Posted by Arwhin

Here the pic of the caseback, hope its uploaded-Before RSC replacement

Why replace the polished case back, the RSC will re-finish the case back as it was supplied.

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by Zsprings

Why replace the polished case back, the RSC will re-finish the case back as it was supplied.

In the quotation they have stated both refinish and replace as well, makes me wonder too.

This is how it is stated in the quotation:

Refinish Case
Replace Case Back 149.53
- case back 116660 ti - x1

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by joli160

Strange that they insist on a new clasp cover if it was not damaged.
I would have gotten my watch back as well. Plenty of independent’s can service that movement.
Pressure testing to 3900m is another story, but 100m would suffice for me.

Btw, Rolex does not keep track of ownership unlike Patek, your name is not registered.
Even the new 2020 warranty cards have no more space to write your name.

I am starting to feel they damaged it and wants me to pay for it after a week on their table. The worse is that they will not repair the entire watch if I don't pay the additional $1,500.00 and claims its mandatory by Genève to have the clasp cover repaired or replaced in order for the overhaul to take place ( doesn't connect).

Which makes me wonder why didn't they inspect/quote this when the watch was sent in, when that is a key component and its a external part of the watch unlike the balancing weight (Rotor) which they quoted me immediately. I will be asking them this when I am go to collect the watch.

[Wahlberg]

What happens when you only give them the head, so no bracelet?

Will they service the watch or will they force you to buy a new bracelet?

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

What happens when you only give them the head, so no bracelet?

Will they service the watch or will they force you to buy a new bracelet?

Exactly, I don't know what is their standards when it comes to overhaul.
This is what it states in their website :

"Your watch is carefully examined by a watchmaker, who draws up an estimate of the work to be done. Once the estimate is approved, the servicing begins."

Link:https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and...procedure.html

My estimate was approved, signed and agreement dispatched, then they fire this new torpedo onto me. I am sure they are just trying to make the extra bucks with the poor sales last year till now. But S$3.5k service ain't cheap and all for the wrong reasons. I am definitely going to question this?

Looks like this thread has taken a bigger twist than what I initially intended:

When started : Fake watch inspection at RSC - Intention
Now : Is RSC trying to Fake us? - Contention

[l_chissle]

I'm not sure I quite understand why you exchanged your 2013 for a 2008. What is so special about this watch you've now obtained?

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by LPC6

I'm not sure I quite understand why you exchanged your 2013 for a 2008. What is so special about this watch you've now obtained?

I have already the James Cameron 126660 and wanted to collect the very first Deep Sea watch and have been searching for one a long while and found this one.

This definitely has more character, dial, fonts, full documents, i mean even the japanese map to the dealer when this was bought/sold dated back to 2008 (well looked after for a 13 year watch) and finally it comes with the very first Deep Sea press release kit-2008 etc.-the works. i will post photos of everything soon. Its in great working condition. I am happier with this classic to the regular 116660, 10 thousands out there.

Now i feel complete with a 2008 -116660 and 2021-126660, btw I was a saturation diver years back and longed for the 2008 when it was released and now I have it finally.

[SinHulk]

Originally Posted by Arwhin

Exactly, I don't know what is their standards when it comes to overhaul.
This is what it states in their website :

"Your watch is carefully examined by a watchmaker, who draws up an estimate of the work to be done. Once the estimate is approved, the servicing begins."

Link:https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and...procedure.html

My estimate was approved, signed and agreement dispatched, then they fire this new torpedo onto me. I am sure they are just trying to make the extra bucks with the poor sales last year till now. But S$3.5k service ain't cheap and all for the wrong reasons. I am definitely going to question this?

Looks like this thread has taken a bigger twist than what I initially intended:

When started : Fake watch inspection at RSC - Intention
Now : Is RSC trying to Fake us? - Contention

What's wrong with the clasp cover and clasp lock?Ask them why didn't they carefully examined the watch before giving you a quotation.. Sound funny to me what they trying to do.. MUST MAKE THEM ANSWER FOR THIS..

[Zsprings]

Originally Posted by Arwhin

In the quotation they have stated both refinish and replace as well, makes me wonder too.

This is how it is stated in the quotation:

Refinish Case
Replace Case Back 149.53
- case back 116660 ti - x1

Think I would keep the original case back refinished. the appropriate number(s) will be stamped inside.

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by SinHulk

What's wrong with the clasp cover and clasp lock?Ask them why didn't they carefully examined the watch before giving you a quotation.. Sound funny to me what they trying to do.. MUST MAKE THEM ANSWER FOR THIS..

Thanks Sinhulk, yes that's exactly what I am going to do. What really raises the red flags:

1. They acknowledged and advised that watch will be ready under 4 weeks via email.

2. Now a sudden call and claiming pay additional $1500 or repair rejected

3. Automatically gave me 40% discount on the claps only(I didn't even ask).
This got fishy from hereon.

4. Claims its a must that claps be replaced or service rejected. (appears they wanted to reject this job very badly for some reason)

5. New guy has taken over quotation claiming the agent overlooking the repair was out on training (maybe or maybe not)

6. Does not want to reply to email only phone calls ( gonna end phone chat and stick to email for future references).

Looks like this saga is taking different routes day-in day-out

To be continued......

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by Zsprings

Think I would keep the original case back refinished. the appropriate number(s) will be stamped inside.

I was told there is no serial number for this caseback (universal caseback for DSSD) and that's why I am willing to change, otherwise I would keep it.
Thanks

[lesliekkwu]

sure want to change the clasp ? clasp code won't match the watch serial

https://www.fratellowatches.com/role...sp-codes/#gref

[Arwhin]

Originally Posted by lesliekkwu

sure want to change the clasp ? clasp code won't match the watch serial

https://www.fratellowatches.com/role...sp-codes/#gref

No way, but they have pointed the gun at me. Change/Pay for the Clasp cover/lock or no service forever......is this really the ROLEX brand we have all been proudly talking about all these years?

Waiting on Switzerland-Genève to reply back to me now, I have no faith in RSC-Singapore after this.

Keep all updated.

Thanks

[SinHulk]

Look carefully on your watch when they explain to you. What they saying is totally unacceptable for me.. we are the owner of the watch and we have the total right to say what we want to do to our watch all this parts are optional they have no reason to reject the servicing when we don't wish to change the parts.

1. Let me share with you my experience with the during 2009 on my 16610lv. I drop the watch face down and the crystal totally gone then I went down and ask for a replacement. After 15mins was told that my dial got some scratches and they ask me do I wish to replace the dial too but I rejected cos it's not visible from my eyes so they just change the crystal for me with no question ask

2. Went for a swim at east coast park with the same watch after the swim I just put my watch in my backpack without running it on water to clear the saltwater. After a few days I then realised my watch is in my backpack when I took out I was totally shocked to see the bezel got discoloured so I got it down to rsc and show them the watch and they change the bezel without a question.

Hope you can have a very good explanation from them. All the best

[SinHulk]

Anyway did you got this watch from a watch shop? Maybe you can try ask the person that sold you the watch..