Looking at a GMT

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Well, we will see.

I wish you luck

[springer]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

My first sub I paid about 3500 Dollar, an unpolished 16610 full set, and I mean really full set, price tage, red seal, everything...

Now these go around 15000 Dollar

is it worth the price now? No,
was it when I bought it at 3500 dollar? Neither
The price allways has been expensive, but that is the market.
Right now the market for a good 1675 seems to be around 20K indeed. You are right about that.

But no one is going to sell his good 1675 for 15K when the market asks 20K

So if you want one, you will have to pay up or let go. Or wait untill the price crashes. But little chance on that, imho.
Or get an honest used one like I suggest, for less, resale will be less too, but that unavoidable

I wanted a Daytona, they were going for 18K some years ago, now good examples go around 25K-30K . Are they worth it??? Demand and supply, that is the harsh reality.

$15,000 for a Sub 16610? That I have not seen. Asking $15,000 would definitely be wishful thinking - at least in the USA.

[4rnold]

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-31539
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32313
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32416
+-13K used

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/submar...id20130701.htm
+-25K nos

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/rolex-...id21408172.htm
+-17K used but great condition (according to the seller) in the US btw

Now i said 15 K , but it was just as a matter of speaking, I was trying to make another point

Sorry I have to disagree Springer, aside from that you are my GMT hero :)

[MrChamfers]

This one has not much appeal, but what dial version is this?
It looks like a "redial" version to me but I am curious.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by springer

$15,000 for a Sub 16610? That I have not seen. Asking $15,000 would definitely be wishful thinking - at least in the USA.

Yeah, it's not too difficult finding a nice 16610 in the US for 10-12k, just look at DavidSW or Crown and Caliber.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-31539
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32313
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32416
+-13K used

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/submar...id20130701.htm
+-25K nos

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/rolex-...id21408172.htm
+-17K used but great condition (according to the seller) in the US btw

Now i said 15 K , but it was just as a matter of speaking, I was trying to make another point

Sorry I have to disagree Springer, aside from that you are my GMT hero :)

Nobody in their right mind is spending 20k for NOS 16610s. It’s lunacy. You can find an unlimited amount of them for 10-13k that are rock solid.

[darthjord]

This one, I believe, is a fake dial or a bad redial at best.
No original dial with those text fonts, AFAIK.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by 4rnold

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-31539
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32313
+-19K nos

https://www.worldoftime.de/Watches/r...bmariner-32416
+-13K used

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/submar...id20130701.htm
+-25K nos

https://www.chrono24.nl/rolex/rolex-...id21408172.htm
+-17K used but great condition (according to the seller) in the US btw

Now i said 15 K , but it was just as a matter of speaking, I was trying to make another point

Sorry I have to disagree Springer, aside from that you are my GMT hero :)

Inflation is worse than I thought.


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[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by darthjord

This one, I believe, is a fake dial or a bad redial at best.
No original dial with those text fonts, AFAIK.

Agreed!

[MrChamfers]

My GMT arrived, it is nicer than the ones I posted here, and of course it cost a bit more. I love the look and feel of it, hopefully it checks out ok.
One thing I want to verify is that it hasn't been relumed (seller says original)
The plots don't glow under uv, but that isn't always going to happen right?
What do folks look for under a loupe when checking out the lume?

[MrChamfers]

[MrChamfers]

[MrChamfers]

the lume seems original to me, am I wrong?

[Dan S]

It seems to me that you have been posting threads to ask about 1675 examples for almost a year now. Hopefully you have purchased some of them, since prices have skyrocketed in that time.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by Dan S

It seems to me that you have been posting threads to ask about 1675 examples for almost a year now. Hopefully you have purchased some of them, since prices have skyrocketed in that time.

No, most of them were crap, overpriced or both.

btw, what was the price range a year ago for an original long E GMT (not mint or complete set) ?

[springer]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

No, most of them were crap, overpriced or both.

btw, what was the price range a year ago for an original long E GMT (not mint or complete set) ?

I have to ask, if most were crap or overpriced, why the continued posts? Sorry if this sounds harsh but - it seems that the vintage section has become a shopping service for you.

Based on my experience, you will not find a nice, correct GMT 1675 for under $20,000 these days. Most nice ones are even more.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by springer

I have to ask, if most were crap or overpriced, why the continued posts? Sorry if this sounds harsh but - it seems that the vintage section has become a shopping service for you.

Based on my experience, you will not find a nice, correct GMT 1675 for under $20,000 these days. Most nice ones are even more.

That might be a little harsh, yeah. The minefield of vintage makes it difficult to buy anything without reading and asking questions.
I'll stick to reading from now on.

[Kingface66]

To play off of what Springer mentioned, why not just accept that things are what they are, and there’s not gonna be a diamond in the rough out there. So, save, or add some funds to your budget and buy a proper, issue-free vintage GMT for the money that they now cost. In short time, you’ll forget about what you paid for it, and you can move forward with a piece you’re completely happy with, and enjoy the assurance that you did it the right way, and now have an easy-to-sell, excellent example?

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

To play off of what Springer mentioned, why not just accept that things are what they are, and there’s not gonna be a diamond in the rough out there. So, save, or add some funds to your budget and buy a proper, issue-free vintage GMT for the money that they now cost. In short time, you’ll forget about what you paid for it, and you can move forward with a piece you’re completely happy with, and enjoy the assurance that you did it the right way, and now have an easy-to-sell, excellent example?

Thanks, that is what I'm thinking as well. I was hoping that the latest one I posted would fit the bill since it is from a well known seller. It's no diamond in the rough.
I did get to see the watch in person to get a much closer look.
If it turns out the watch isn't as advertised then I'll be done with this seller.

[AlTinkster92]

Beautiful watch, with the pin sticking out of the lug can Rolex repair the case or is a new case needed? Can they weld the lower corner to bring back the edge? Thanks!

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by AlTinkster92

Beautiful watch, with the pin sticking out of the lug can Rolex repair the case or is a new case needed? Can they weld the lower corner to bring back the edge? Thanks!

Thanks mate, which lug though ?

[Dan S]

All the edges are soft and the lug holes are cratered, but the lugs and crown guards still look substantial. Insert doesn't look right for a long-E. Not sure what else you want to know, it's hard to keep track of the watches.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by Dan S

All the edges are soft and the lug holes are cratered, but the lugs and crown guards still look substantial. Insert doesn't look right for a long-E. Not sure what else you want to know, it's hard to keep track of the watches.

ok, thanks. The lug hole polishing was hard to see in the original pics the seller had. People here have been very helpful as usual and kept me from a bad purchase.
Time to let it go for a while even if prices will continue to skyrocket.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Thanks mate, which lug though ?

He means the first pic you posted.
Oy vey.
Please close this thread. There’s too many watches being discussed and everyone’s getting confused.

[HunterST]

Ultimately, you can replace inserts if you find that you are happy with the rest of the watch. Owning a GMT, you may find, like I did, that once I started chasing new inserts that was a whole new part of the game. The issue for me with any of them is that I don’t want new hands / dial. That’s just me.

[MrChamfers]

Originally Posted by HunterST

Ultimately, you can replace inserts if you find that you are happy with the rest of the watch. Owning a GMT, you may find, like I did, that once I started chasing new inserts that was a whole new part of the game. The issue for me with any of them is that I don’t want new hands / dial. That’s just me.

yeah, an insert isn't a dealbreaker...the dial/hands are probably the most important part to be original.
Now days the case, and even those fisheye lug holes could be welded.

I'd like to know upfront what needs work though. I'm finding a lot of dealers either intentionally or through ignorance will misrepresent a surprising amount of details.

The last one I posted, from am established dealer who surely knows better, the insert was said to be original, obviously it's not.
The movement was "running strong"... no it has a top amplitude of 205,
The dial is untouched... not sure, it has zero activity under UV.
Listed as 1968 but is really 1970.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Thanks mate, which lug though ?

The case is over polished and in a horrible condition 🤢 Hard pass

[4rnold]

Give him a break, we all understand he is hoping to buy a GMT.

We all stress on the fact that it's a snakepit out there, so it's normal for people to ask questions. It's not his first post either. Were can we turn otherwise then this forum? We all needed advise at some point. It's good to have people like Springer with their amazing knowledge, and people like Toomuchtalk with an amazing story. But we also need the silent learners, or there is nobody to share the story with.

That last watch is polished yes, but the lugs are still there, also the crown guards. It's a watch someone still can enjoy for a lifetime with the proper care.
That being said, I would also wait for some other watch, because watches in this condition are enough available. So if in doubt, pass on, you need to find a watch that makes you smile.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

Nobody in their right mind is spending 20k for NOS 16610s. It’s lunacy. You can find an unlimited amount of them for 10-13k that are rock solid.

The price for that 16610 is about $19K, and it's a complete NOS set with stickers. It's high, but not as insane as you might think nowadays, especially for a Euro seller who has to factor in VAT.

A similar stickered NOS 16610 set just sold on TRF for about $16.3K by an NYC seller I know.

These 5-digit classics continue to steadily increase in price. In a year, I bet $19K for an NOS stickered 16610 set will seem like a good deal.

[4rnold]

Originally Posted by swish77

The price for that 16610 is about $19K, and it's a complete NOS set with stickers. It's high, but not as insane as you might think nowadays, especially for a Euro seller who has to factor in VAT.

A similar stickered NOS 16610 set just sold on TRF for about $16.3K by an NYC seller I know.

These 5-digit classics continue to steadily increase in price. In a year, I bet $19K for an NOS stickered 16610 set will seem like a good deal.

I agree