Scammed by a face to face buyer of my Rolex

[tike71]

Originally Posted by _Tape_

I'm so sorry about what happened to you, this is how I handled my transaction, just an info you

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=849031

Big difference between doing a transaction with someone who owns a renown storefront vs meeting a random at a fast food joint.

[tike71]

Originally Posted by Pumphry Bigelow

That is really horrible. I am just curious though, I am trying to understand what the police could or would do at this point. It was a private transaction, and you were not held up at gunpoint, so at this point, if they would catch the guy, he could just say that he did give all the money at the agreed upon price, and that you are the one trying to rip him off? It is he said she said at this point. It is a horrible way to look at it, however, that is how these scum bags think. Just wondering if I was missing something here.

This is theft by deception. And because of the dollar amount, this would be considered a felony in California.

[_Tape_]

Originally Posted by tike71

Big difference between doing a transaction with someone who owns a renown storefront vs meeting a random at a fast food joint.

Exactly my point

[Chewbacca]

Sorry to hear about this OP.

[arche3]

That's crazy

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[Rebel]

Wow.

[Autavian]

I’m a little lost and confused here and it seems several folks asked the same question that has yet to have been answered. How did you go from counting out all the money on top of the table, it being correct, and then you leaving with a stack of ones……?

[walds11]

Originally Posted by JBZ

Probably something along the lines of, "here, let me put it back in the envelope for you."

Sorry to hear OP - that's just lousy.

Originally Posted by ian6988

Exactly what happened and my best guess on when he did the switch.

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Originally Posted by Autavian

I’m a little lost and confused here and it seems several folks asked the same question that has yet to have been answered. How did you go from counting out all the money on top of the table, it being correct, and then you leaving with a stack of ones……?

See above on how it happened. I still think there’s more to the story.

So sorry this happened OP.

[Autavian]

Ahh I see now. That’s craY. I would hve never let him touch anything once he handed it over. Still seems strange and confused. Sry this happened.

[arche3]

Thief had mad skills. Sleight of hand is hard. Have to appreciate the dexterity. But yeah he needs to be caught and put in jail.

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[arche3]

Also please let us know what the insurance company says.

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[cajunron]

Originally Posted by walds11

See above on how it happened. I still think there’s more to the story.

So sorry this happened OP.

I think that if the OP explained the sleight of hand technique used; it might help someone avoid the same scenario in the future. Regardless, I hope this guy is caught.

[Nathan_]

Did you post his on Moda Fbook group recently? if not, the identical thing happened as well. There were some people offering advice on the name of the scammer, if you happen to find the post..

[Harry-57]

I wouldn't wish it on anybody, but at least a lesson has been learned. A hard lesson, but the ones worth learning always are. I always sell my watches to an established buyer with a store. I may get a bit less but I assume less risk.

I hope the insurance comes through. You won't see the watch or the scammer again.

[Rolexguy$]

I really don't understand how this can happen. I mean how does the buyer still get access to the money after he made payment?
And what trick is it that changes $100 bills to papper?

I'm sorry OP. Hope it gets sorted out.

[cht]

Originally Posted by arche3

Thief had mad skills. Sleight of hand is hard. Have to appreciate the dexterity. But yeah he needs to be caught and put in jail.

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What doesn’t make sense is; what would the thief had done if the seller said “no I don’t want to hand you back the envelope of money after I’ve counted it” and just kept it put in their pocket?

[freefly]

Originally Posted by cht

What doesn’t make sense is; what would the thief had done if the seller said “no I don’t want to hand you back the envelope of money after I’ve counted it” and just kept it put in their pocket?

One likely possibility:

Probably try to back out of the deal, and if that didn't work, follow the seller after the transaction for a nice little strong-arm robbery to get the cash back (and/or the watch too, if the seller agreed to cancel the deal).

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Rolexguy$

I really don't understand how this can happen. I mean how does the buyer still get access to the money after he made payment?
And what trick is it that changes $100 bills to papper?

I'm sorry OP. Hope it gets sorted out.

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[Bill2e]

I call BS on this. How in the world does someone count the cash than lose it.

I hope I am wrong and the OP gets the watch back. Just sounds strange.

[digitalcrocodile]

Originally Posted by Bill2e

I call BS on this. How in the world does someone count the cash than lose it.

I hope I am wrong and the OP gets the watch back. Just sounds strange.

I don't think it's BS. Ever been to a magic show?

[walds11]

Originally Posted by digitalcrocodile

I don't think it's BS. Ever been to a magic show?

Yep. It is called sleight of hand.

[_Tape_]

Three-card Monte

[AlabamaLawyer1988]

Originally Posted by tike71

This is theft by deception. And because of the dollar amount, this would be considered a felony in California.

This would warrant a theft by deception charge all day, everyday, in Alabama as well, but this is….hard to believe.

DM

[GoBig]

OP…can you describe the person? Overweight, white, dark/gray hair, hat (baseball or driving cap)?

[GoBig]

Maybe this guy

[ian6988]

This is the same guy who scammed me. Sounds like he moves a lot to avoid getting caught.


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[goodolejr]

Hope he gets caught.

[maverick3934]

Originally Posted by 101031-28

OP, I am so sorry this happened to you. When I sell, I meet the buyer at a banking institution of my choice and have the teller count, verify the banknotes and immediately deposit in my account. Did you count the bills and handed them back to the buyer? I don't understand how he could switch them once they were in your hands.

yes this is the best way - i did this when selling my car

[Undefeatable]

Originally Posted by maverick3934

yes this is the best way - i did this when selling my car

Same here, also helps in the sense that you can not only verify the amount is correct and bills are legit, but being able to immediately deposit it means the person can't wait for you outside and mug you for the cash they just handed to you.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by ian6988

I just got scammed by a face to face buyer. Buyer paid cash and we did the transaction inside a fast food place. I counted the money right on top of the table. This guy was like a magician. He was able to switch the bundle of cash with a slight of hand. When I got home to check to cash again it was only $100 bill on top were it was visible thought the envelope’s window and the rest were $1’s . I learned an expensive lesson today.

Posting photos of the watch and serial number just in case someone here sees it for sale. I was the second owner of the watch and the card wasn’t under my name.

Filing police report and insurance claim tomorrow morning.




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I heard a guy describe the internet as "Black Magic", obviously with all the criminals, you cannot be too careful. Thank you for posting, its a cautionary tale! Hope someone nails this A hole...