Offering the AD more than MSRP

[Roger Lococco]

It’s certainly doable in parts of Asia. In fact, I’ve had ADs recommended it.


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[RonP]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Care to offer a shred of evidence to support this libellous generalisation.

Not forum gossip that somehow has become canon. Actual evidence pertaining to a specific business.

You are the one suggesting offering a bribe, which is a criminal act in England.

Again this is not a bribe and there is nothing criminal about it.

I am not paying a politician, job recruiter or university administrator for a favour. I am simply asking a shop if they can get me a material item if I pay more than the recommended retail price.

[teck21]

Originally Posted by RonP

Grey is another £3500 on top of that! I couldn't stomach paying an extra £6500 over retail.

I'm not worried about being blacklisted. These are central London ADS that get hundreds of visitors a day, they won't remember me in a year's time.

Yes the suggestion of of buying a £3000 item is viable and if that works I'm all for it but I would have thought the £3000 in cash would be more attractive as there is the cost of the £3000 other item to take into account.

Losing their dealership over an extra £3,000, now that would be quite a cost.

Rolex tolerates this over-MSRP practice in some places, but certainly not where you are.


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[jlovda]

What would you offer for a Daytona; $16K or $40K?

[JRell]

Not sure about other countries, can’t do it in the US.

[Oxfordian]

Originally Posted by Gaijin

God I hate what buying a Rolex from an AD has become or come down to.

Its not the AD that's the issue it is us, the human race, the 'wanna own a Rollie' tribe.

So many wannabe owners so few watches and AD's rubbing their hands together in total glee as they know that the days of having to give discounts to sell a watch are long since over.

The circle will turn, at some point in the dim and distant future TRF will be full of people reminiscing on those days of grey markets and waiting lists and how things have changed since then. Yes it will come, but not for many many years, so until then be prepared to open your wallet and spend spend spend.

[Danny83]

Ads thats do this already get market value …

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by RonP

Again this is not a bribe and there is nothing criminal about it.

I am not paying a politician, job recruiter or university administrator for a favour. I am simply asking a shop if they can get me a material item if I pay more than the recommended retail price.

I suggest reading the Bribery Act 2010.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/contents

Offences of bribing another person
(1)A person (“P”) is guilty of an offence if either of the following cases applies.
(2)Case 1 is where—
(a)P offers, promises or gives a financial or other advantage to another person, and
(b)P intends the advantage—
(i)to induce a person to perform improperly a relevant function or activity


Function or activity to which bribe relates
(1)For the purposes of this Act a function or activity is a relevant function or activity if—
(a)it falls within subsection (2), and
(b)meets one or more of conditions A to C.
(2)The following functions and activities fall within this subsection—
(a)any function of a public nature,
(b)any activity connected with a business,

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Care to offer a shred of evidence to support this libellous generalisation.

Not forum gossip that somehow has become canon. Actual evidence pertaining to a specific business.

That's about as rhetorical as a question gets in this forum.

However, if the OP is willing to do this I will love to hear what the response is from the ADs in London.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by RonP

I don't think offering more money for a luxury material item can be seen as bribery anywhere.

In the UK by offering what you clearly understand to be a bribe you are committing a criminal offence, and in accepting they are committing a criminal offence.

You may get somewhere with a small independent prepared to turn a blind eye to the law, but you'll get nowhere with the larger AD's.

Let us know how that works out for you

[GONZO2LR]

Originally Posted by padi56

Why anyone would even think of offering any more than MRSP from a official Rolex AD defeats me.

maybe because they are desperate...they want it now..they dont want to wait..1...2..3....years...

[RonP]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

I suggest reading the Bribery Act 2010.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/contents

Offences of bribing another person
(1)A person (“P”) is guilty of an offence if either of the following cases applies.
(2)Case 1 is where—
(a)P offers, promises or gives a financial or other advantage to another person, and
(b)P intends the advantage—
(i)to induce a person to perform improperly a relevant function or activity


Function or activity to which bribe relates
(1)For the purposes of this Act a function or activity is a relevant function or activity if—
(a)it falls within subsection (2), and
(b)meets one or more of conditions A to C.
(2)The following functions and activities fall within this subsection—
(a)any function of a public nature,
(b)any activity connected with a business,

And what kind of life changing advantage am I going to have over others if I succeed?
You can say what the ADs are doing is extortion, making the customer buy things they don't need to get what they do want.

Be sure to attend RonP vs the Watches of Switzerland group at the Old Bailey.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Care to offer a shred of evidence to support this libellous generalisation.

Not forum gossip that somehow has become canon. Actual evidence pertaining to a specific business.

You are the one suggesting offering a bribe, which is a criminal act in England. Hardly leaves one in a position to cast aspersions.

Not to mention the potential tax fraud in "masking the extra money somehow"

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

That's about as rhetorical as a question gets in this forum.

However, if the OP is willing to do this I will love to hear what the response is from the ADs in London.

I have no interest in reading any more unverifiable boogieman stories.

If the OP can provide evidence of wrongdoing*, something that would stand up in court, I'd gladly take them for a pint and be the first to lambast the underhanded business with them

*wrongdoing that is not precipitated by the offering of a bribe. I'll add the beer money to the charity box at the Old Bailey in that case

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by RonP

And what kind of life changing advantage am I going to have over others if I succeed?
You can say what the ADs are doing is extortion, making the customer buy things they don't need to get what they do want.

Be sure to attend RonP vs the Watches of Switzerland group at the Old Bailey.

And what kind of life changing advantage am I going to have over others if I succeed?

The advantage does not have to be lifechanging.

You can say what the ADs are doing is extortion, making the customer buy things they don't need to get what they do want.

You can certainly say it, but it is not true.

[edisonstar23]

Any AD will be dumb to take your offer. This kind of practice ,if proven can cost them their AD status. I’m sure SAs have cut deals like these, but off the books. A close friend of mine was offered a sub nd bundled with a Tudor in NY. Therefore, I think bundles are probably what some ADs are doing since they can prove they sold both items at msrp.


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[amh]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

Not a good idea. That’s bribery, which no AD would put up with IMO.


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But yet if you buy $20k of diamond jewelry it's acceptable?

Either way you pay extra

[RonP]

Originally Posted by amh

But yet if you buy $20k of diamond jewelry it's acceptable?

Either way you pay extra

It's the same thing in my opinion.

[johnwigan]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Care to offer a shred of evidence to support this libellous generalisation.

Not forum gossip that somehow has become canon. Actual evidence pertaining to a specific business.

You are the one suggesting offering a bribe, which is a criminal act in England. Hardly leaves one in a position to cast aspersions.

Ha ha. You must be walking around wearing blinkers and ear plugs.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by johnwigan

Ha ha. You must be walking around wearing blinkers and ear plugs.

Only when I log on here

[rmwill]

How will they know that you, a random noob are not a Rolex test shopper who will get them sanctioned by Rolex? A grey dealer purchase is the same result...

[rmwill]

David and Alan are great sellers.

https://www.watchcollectors.co.uk/pr...22-box-papers/

[DBCooper07]

IF you are to purchase other items in the store as gifts or what not... I love to buy gifts for family and friends and I think they all appreciate jewelry. I just curious the area of the AD's most profit so I can focus on that. ;)

[RonP]

Originally Posted by rmwill

How will they know that you, a random noob are not a Rolex test shopper who will get them sanctioned by Rolex? A grey dealer purchase is the same result...

Do you think Rolex doesn't know the score? They love the current situation the way it is. They've never sold out watches likes this before. They are not going to pull their watches from major ADs.

In fact I think it is the major ADs that are selling in bulk to the grey dealers.

[TswaneNguni]

In all fairness,I think you have the right to ask.

The AD most likely will tell you that they are not allowed to sell above MRSP by Rolex .

Simple .

Cash under the table is a bribe,willing to pay more officially as stated on the invoice.is not a bribe .
You are free to do that.

[Lamontsanders]

Can’t exactly straight up do that in the US…you make that offer by buying a piece of jewelry and then you have the “option to purchase” the watch you are after.

It’s all a game.

[Cavester]

Rolex only suggest the price to the dealer... Therefore to me it's not definitive.

You may want to put it to the dealer in a way that incorporates this statement from the official Rolex we site...

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[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Cavester

Rolex only suggest the price to the dealer... Therefore to me it's not definitive.

You may want to put it to the dealer in a way that incorporates this statement from the official Rolex we site...

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This might hold water if the item in question was not registered on the sellers stock system with the price already set at RRP, and, if by custom and convention every watch sold was haggled for.

As it stands, RRP is 'the price' and any amendment to the price would come under scrutiny.

[Cavester]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

This might hold water if the item in question was not registered on the sellers stock system with the price already set at RRP, and, if by custom and convention every watch sold was haggled for.



As it stands, RRP is 'the price' and any amendment to the price would come under scrutiny.

How come, what does 'RRP' stand for?

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[rmwill]

Another AD conspiracy theorist. Give it a shot. You have nothing to lose, other than being shown the door.

Originally Posted by RonP

Do you think Rolex doesn't know the score? They love the current situation the way it is. They've never sold out watches likes this before. They are not going to pull their watches from major ADs.

In fact I think it is the major ADs that are selling in bulk to the grey dealers.