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Old 25 April 2022, 11:00 PM   #31
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It's a feature of the model.
Seriously, have a good look at the design. How do you think it all works with design, clearances and fit-up?
The gap to allow the bezel to rotate without scrubbing against the end piece?
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:00 PM   #32
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My bad, I was pointing to the gap between the end-link piece and the bottom of the bezel.
Ahh good then. I think that’s just how they are.
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:13 PM   #33
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To be able to move the endlink in relation to the case. Basically and most commonly, tilting it up or down on the springbar axis. On a new watch, there's practically no such movement. It is developed over time as a result of normal tear and wear.

Now we diverted into a whole new issue.
You mean over time, the end piece moves along the spring bar radial axis or axial axis?

And this phenomenon is due to the wear and tear of the spring bar diameter or bending of the spring bars?
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:20 PM   #34
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The end piece moves along the spring bar radial axis or axial axis?

You mean there is wear and tear on the spring bar diameter?
Like so:

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Also, the springbar to the right (with some exaggeration) shows the wear I'm talking about. Much less pronounced deformation is enough to cause the play I'm referring to. Again, that's all normal tear and wear over time.

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Old 25 April 2022, 11:25 PM   #35
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Gap Defects?!

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Like so:

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Wow. That should subject to a high degree bending of spring bars causing the end piece could not snug fit to the casing curve profile, isn’t it?
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:27 PM   #36
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But how does it look under an electron microscope??
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:29 PM   #37
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WoW, the should be due to a highly bent spring bar and the end piece could not snug fit to the casing curve profile
All it takes is a few years of daily wear. Springbars need not be terribly bent, really. The moving part can become loose as the tips of its body stretches by a fraction of a mm...You might have a perfectly straight springbar but while resting but it will bend when fitted if the tips are loose.

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But how does it look under an electron microscope??
You do not need an electron microscope to see the effect. Just wear a watch long enough and it will happen.
Just trying to explain the mechanism of tear and wear behind a loose end link, that's all.
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:38 PM   #38
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I grab the photo below from another thread.
For discussion purposes, why is there such a horizontal gap exist on end piece? Overpolished end link/ lugs? Or moving end piece causing wear and tear, developing the gap?
What is the remedy for this case?

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Old 25 April 2022, 11:44 PM   #39
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Old 25 April 2022, 11:47 PM   #40
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Looks pretty normal to me. When the endlink is pressed towards one side, against the lug. What you're seeing is the total clearance, all on one side. Your sample pic seems to be of a stickered watch. Check out my previous pictures, too. Unpolished and being like that since new. So no tear and wear in this case. Just tolerances.
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Old 26 April 2022, 12:12 AM   #41
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My bad, I was pointing to the gap between the top surface of the end-link piece and the bottom surface of the bezel.

Oh… totally normal


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Old 26 April 2022, 12:22 AM   #42
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Lols….mind the gap. It’s a Rolex thing now. Y’all way too much.
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Old 26 April 2022, 12:43 AM   #43
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Lols….mind the gap. It’s a Rolex thing now. Y’all way too much.
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Old 26 April 2022, 12:50 AM   #44
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I grab the photo below from another thread.
For discussion purposes, why is there such a horizontal gap exist on end piece? Overpolished end link/ lugs? Or moving end piece causing wear and tear, developing the gap?
What is the remedy for this case?

There has to be a slight gap or you wouldn't be able to fit the endlinks to the case.

And as for the damaged and bent springbars Minute Man posted, they look to be gold (so much softer than steel) and more than likely from a watch with a strap.

Steel springbars used with solid end link bracelets generally have imperceptible wear, and any damage caused by the (extreme) pressure required to break them is often "shear" damage where the broken end of the bar remains in the lughole rather than the bending shown.

Your watch is fine. Your springbars are unlikely to see any noticeable wear due to the endlink design.
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Old 26 April 2022, 01:07 AM   #45
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Thanks all for the good discussion points

Can anyone take a photo of the bezel-endlink gap area if one change-out to Rubber B ?

Wonder if Daytona has similar gap as the Daytona bezel is non-rotatable?
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Here is a shot of my 2016 model (now sold) if that helps
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Old 26 April 2022, 03:03 AM   #47
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Here is a shot of my 2016 model (now sold) if that helps
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Old 26 April 2022, 03:21 AM   #48
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Hi. I noticed there is a gap between the end link and watch casing for GMT 116713LN (two-tone), for both sides of 6 o’clock and 12 o’clock, as shown in pic attached.

1. Is that a common issue or defects?

2. Can that be fixed?

3. Does it happen to all NEW GMT model (Ref 126710) eg Pepsi, Rootbeer and all other ceramic bezels Sports model watches eg Submariner?



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OP had everyone checking their watches
it is like the Co-vid self test

Wonder will dust and dirt accumulate in the gap hole 🕳 and affect the bezels rotation
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That’s been like that for all GMTs, Subs and Sea-Dwellers with all six digits.
OP 41 too !

Poor engineering on Rolex part !
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All it takes is a few years of daily wear. Springbars need not be terribly bent, really. The moving part can become loose as the tips of its body stretches by a fraction of a mm...You might have a perfectly straight springbar but while resting but it will bend when fitted if the tips are loose.



You do not need an electron microscope to see the effect. Just wear a watch long enough and it will happen.
Just trying to explain the mechanism of tear and wear behind a loose end link, that's all.
Good to know, thanks...I'm afraid the fear and loathing we all have with these watches feeds into micro amplifying what's a natural occurrence. I've worn Rolex watches since the 70s, imo they are very well built and I saw nothing out of the ordinary in the photos on this thread. Lighten up and enjoy is my opinion...nothing negative directed to anyone here?!
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I grab the photo below from another thread.
For discussion purposes, why is there such a horizontal gap exist on end piece? Overpolished end link/ lugs? Or moving end piece causing wear and tear, developing the gap?
What is the remedy for this case?

This type of gap annoys me. The fit should be flush with the case. It's a hit or miss on all models from new (not from polishing or rubbing). Some models are perfectly flush while others have this very slight gap.
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Old 26 April 2022, 04:17 AM   #54
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Good to know, thanks...I'm afraid the fear and loathing we all have with these watches feeds into micro amplifying what's a natural occurrence. I've worn Rolex watches since the 70s, imo they are very well built and I saw nothing out of the ordinary in the photos on this thread. Lighten up and enjoy is my opinion...nothing negative directed to anyone here?!
Couldn't agree more!
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how can we actually repair the dents and dings defects on the bezel as shown?
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