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I thought about mentioning that but didn't want to get to far into the weeds. The forum techs and watchmakers have pretty much said it doesn't make enough of a difference to influence a purchase decision over condition and price. If the OP is really interested though, the parachrom starts to show up in the last 14060M serial numbers starting with "G" although it's not sure if even all of them got it.
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Agree. The 14060M, which I own, has an updated movement over the 14060. The five digit 2 liner M is the last of the great Subs and comes close to replicate the 5513. As for me if you want or need a date in a Sub get a 5 digit GMT instead.
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Go with the 14060M 2-liner, a nice clean classic. Perhaps you'll get lucky like I did and find an unpolished, complete set on TRF. I've had mine now for about 5 years and it is one of my favorites. Good luck with your search.
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Follow the advice of everyone here: buy condition, condition, condition! As for me I could care less about box and papers of a neo vintage piece, what we call, full set. Buy the best 14060m you can find from a trusted seller then with the money you’ve saved from not paying full set send it to Rolex/Dallas for service. You will get a 2 yr international warranty card which by definition authenticates the watch.
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Quote [Be aware that the bracelet on the 14060 and 14060M is a downgrade Vs the 16610 and 16600. It’s near enough the same as the late 5513 non riveted bracelet but with a different design fold over clasp (but clasp still the same)
wb55 is offline Report Post ] Lugholes and hollow end links are part of what makes the 14060 Ref neo vintage. |
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I have multiple 4, 5, and 6 digit Subs and SD’s, and my favorite of all is 16600. Wears small but the thickness gives it more wrist presence, no cyclops, and just feels like something special compared to a Sub.
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My recommendation is current production Sub from AD. Best watch at MSRP.
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Good idea for the op to add the 16600 to the list of choices
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Go 6 digits. The 5 one in comparison feel like paper.
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It's just a rattly old hollow bracelet with hollow end links where the divers ext link doesn't stay in, it just rests closed. By comparison the 16610 and 16600 bracelets are higher quality, not hollow, and the divers ext link only comes out when applying pressure on a small circle engraving on the inside of the bracelet. Pops out and back in It took me by surprise when I bought the G serial 2012 14060M and I still can't really believe it came with that bracelet. Worth watching a Tim Mosso video on all three to understand differences but the look of the 104060M is perfect. The 16600 is a very, very close second in my opinion but I've sold all 5 digits and my only 4 digit now. Wrists too big for them. |
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All men's Rolex watches from 2011 onwards have the blue parachrom hairspring. I'm not sure on the month in 2011 this started from. There are no G serials without it. I sold my 2012 G serial to a guy on a different forum who only wanted it if it had the updated hairspring as he liked 5 digits but worked in a magnetic environment and after two weeks of emailing and speaking with Rolex St James in London they confirmed the above after having master watchmaker contact Geneva. Before this I had no idea there was any difference at all between M models aside from 2 Vs 4 line. I did ask about some people online with G serials without it but they said they wouldn't comment without the case serial and the movement serial as they would want to make sure the movement serial belongs to the case in question but all documentation from Geneva said 2011 onwards. |
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Thank you all for this great information! I will do my research on the 166XX and get back here with decisions ;)
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Picked up the 124060 Submariner recently and LOVE IT. Fit, feel, size and symmetry of the new no date Sub is excellent. However, if this was my only luxury watch...I would get a Sub Date.
If you go 5 digit, get a 2-liner in the best condition you can find/afford. The look on those is classic. If 6 digit and your only luxury watch..go with 126610 Sub Date. |
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My dad had the the 14060, worn it several times, it has its own charm, but it’s substantially flimsier than the latest generation Subs. I have the 126610LN because I’m mostly a one-watch guy. The 126610LN does it all, and does it best. However, I would choose a 12XXXX model over any previous-gen Sub for the 70 hr power reserve and the glidelock clasp alone.
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I have 6.5 inch wrists, and find the 41mm Subs more comfortable than the 5 digits. Similar to why I find the 42mm Exp II extremely comfortable. The weight feels better distributed over a larger area on my wrist. Less dense feeling, I guess. And then there's the glidelock which adds more to comfort.
It's interesting you are looking at 5-digit Subs vs a 41mm Sub Date. I personally think the older non-maxi dials look better with a date as otherwise a bit too much empty space on the dial. The non-date version looks slightly better for the maxi case Subs imo. |
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-curve of the lugs - the BB58 lugs curve more aggressively downwards, and is noticeable even when looking straight down at it. This REALLY bugged me vs the Rolex (doesn't bug me on BB58GMT) -bezel grip - I love the scallop style grip on the 104050m so much better then the small teeth on the BB58. It makes a big visual impact -crown guards - no crown guards and a raised crown on BB58 - much prefer overall shape of 14060m with crown guards. This makes the overall shape of the two cases very different -mid case thickness - thinner on the 14060m than slab sided BB58 -dial on the text - with only two lines on the 14060m the dial is SO CLEAN and symmetrical. a big bonus for me. BB58 not terrible with 3 lines, but not as good, and im not a fan too the "pyramid" shape of the 3 lines together. Overall, the two are different enough. whether or not you care, is up to you. |
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I’m going for either of the 14060 variants. Probably a later one. The 5 digits were just perfect all around.
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Reliable, proven movement vs 126610. The increased power reserve is silly since accuracy diminishes exponentially toward the latter half. Only downside IMO, is the lack of an anti-reflective crystal the new models have. But RSC will replace the crystal (I think on any of the Subs) if you want. A pro for the 6 digits (116610, 126610) vs the 5 digits you are considering is that the clasp is light years better and more adjustable for a perfect fit. Additionally, if you have a small wrist, the new watches have only 3 non-removable links at 6 o'clock vs 4 on the 5 digits. |
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114060, maxi dial with maxi case.
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