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Old 14 February 2023, 08:52 AM   #31
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This is simply not true. The later 14060M has the newer blue parachrom hairspring.
I thought about mentioning that but didn't want to get to far into the weeds. The forum techs and watchmakers have pretty much said it doesn't make enough of a difference to influence a purchase decision over condition and price. If the OP is really interested though, the parachrom starts to show up in the last 14060M serial numbers starting with "G" although it's not sure if even all of them got it.
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Old 14 February 2023, 09:03 AM   #32
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14060m “two-liner” in best possible condition you can find.

Aesthetically beautiful and symmetrically perfect. It crosses vintage with modern and has been said to be the watch you buy after having owned all the others.
Agree. The 14060M, which I own, has an updated movement over the 14060. The five digit 2 liner M is the last of the great Subs and comes close to replicate the 5513. As for me if you want or need a date in a Sub get a 5 digit GMT instead.
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Old 14 February 2023, 09:05 AM   #33
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Go with the 14060M 2-liner, a nice clean classic. Perhaps you'll get lucky like I did and find an unpolished, complete set on TRF. I've had mine now for about 5 years and it is one of my favorites. Good luck with your search.
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Old 14 February 2023, 09:14 AM   #34
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Follow the advice of everyone here: buy condition, condition, condition! As for me I could care less about box and papers of a neo vintage piece, what we call, full set. Buy the best 14060m you can find from a trusted seller then with the money you’ve saved from not paying full set send it to Rolex/Dallas for service. You will get a 2 yr international warranty card which by definition authenticates the watch.
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Old 14 February 2023, 01:50 PM   #35
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I too have small wrists. I like the 14060M 2-liner. Mine is from 2005.

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My identical 2 line 14060M was also acquired in 2005. Additionally, I am a retired USN Submariner.

OP, you can't go wrong with any of your listed watches, so avoid buying anything that results in second guessing that you didn't get the one you really wanted.

Good luck.
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Old 14 February 2023, 02:28 PM   #36
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Quote [Be aware that the bracelet on the 14060 and 14060M is a downgrade Vs the 16610 and 16600. It’s near enough the same as the late 5513 non riveted bracelet but with a different design fold over clasp (but clasp still the same)
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Lugholes and hollow end links are part of what makes the 14060 Ref neo vintage.
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Old 14 February 2023, 02:46 PM   #37
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I thought about mentioning that but didn't want to get to far into the weeds. The forum techs and watchmakers have pretty much said it doesn't make enough of a difference to influence a purchase decision over condition and price. If the OP is really interested though, the parachrom starts to show up in the last 14060M serial numbers starting with "G" although it's not sure if even all of them got it.
My understanding is most G serials and all scrambled/random serials did. Modern tech in proportions of yester year. Perfect.
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Old 15 February 2023, 12:13 AM   #38
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I have multiple 4, 5, and 6 digit Subs and SD’s, and my favorite of all is 16600. Wears small but the thickness gives it more wrist presence, no cyclops, and just feels like something special compared to a Sub.
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Old 15 February 2023, 12:39 AM   #39
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My recommendation is current production Sub from AD. Best watch at MSRP.
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Old 15 February 2023, 07:14 AM   #40
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I have multiple 4, 5, and 6 digit Subs and SD’s, and my favorite of all is 16600. Wears small but the thickness gives it more wrist presence, no cyclops, and just feels like something special compared to a Sub.
Good idea for the op to add the 16600 to the list of choices
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Old 15 February 2023, 07:34 AM   #41
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124060. It's the only watch you could ever need. If you buy a 14060M then handle a 124060, you will kick yourself. Just do it once and be done.

This. I have a 6.5 -6.25 flat wrist and the 124060 is the most comfortable watch I have ever owned


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Old 15 February 2023, 07:40 AM   #42
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This. I have a 6.5 -6.25 flat wrist and the 124060 is the most comfortable watch I have ever owned
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Old 15 February 2023, 07:51 AM   #43
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Go 6 digits. The 5 one in comparison feel like paper.
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Old 16 February 2023, 10:01 AM   #44
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Thanks wb55 and everyone else the recommendations and knowledge!

I did not know about the bracelet differences, something to note for sure.
Why is it a downgrade on the 14060m, design, material, comfort?

Will start researching the 16600 as well to see prices.

It's just a rattly old hollow bracelet with hollow end links where the divers ext link doesn't stay in, it just rests closed.

By comparison the 16610 and 16600 bracelets are higher quality, not hollow, and the divers ext link only comes out when applying pressure on a small circle engraving on the inside of the bracelet. Pops out and back in

It took me by surprise when I bought the G serial 2012 14060M and I still can't really believe it came with that bracelet.

Worth watching a Tim Mosso video on all three to understand differences but the look of the 104060M is perfect. The 16600 is a very, very close second in my opinion but I've sold all 5 digits and my only 4 digit now. Wrists too big for them.
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Old 16 February 2023, 10:08 AM   #45
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My understanding is most G serials and all scrambled/random serials did. Modern tech in proportions of yester year. Perfect.


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I thought about mentioning that but didn't want to get to far into the weeds. The forum techs and watchmakers have pretty much said it doesn't make enough of a difference to influence a purchase decision over condition and price. If the OP is really interested though, the parachrom starts to show up in the last 14060M serial numbers starting with "G" although it's not sure if even all of them got it.

All men's Rolex watches from 2011 onwards have the blue parachrom hairspring. I'm not sure on the month in 2011 this started from.

There are no G serials without it.

I sold my 2012 G serial to a guy on a different forum who only wanted it if it had the updated hairspring as he liked 5 digits but worked in a magnetic environment and after two weeks of emailing and speaking with Rolex St James in London they confirmed the above after having master watchmaker contact Geneva. Before this I had no idea there was any difference at all between M models aside from 2 Vs 4 line.

I did ask about some people online with G serials without it but they said they wouldn't comment without the case serial and the movement serial as they would want to make sure the movement serial belongs to the case in question but all documentation from Geneva said 2011 onwards.
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Old 17 February 2023, 01:31 AM   #46
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Thank you all for this great information! I will do my research on the 166XX and get back here with decisions ;)
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Old 17 February 2023, 08:09 AM   #47
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Picked up the 124060 Submariner recently and LOVE IT. Fit, feel, size and symmetry of the new no date Sub is excellent. However, if this was my only luxury watch...I would get a Sub Date.

If you go 5 digit, get a 2-liner in the best condition you can find/afford. The look on those is classic.

If 6 digit and your only luxury watch..go with 126610 Sub Date.
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Old 17 February 2023, 08:21 AM   #48
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My dad had the the 14060, worn it several times, it has its own charm, but it’s substantially flimsier than the latest generation Subs. I have the 126610LN because I’m mostly a one-watch guy. The 126610LN does it all, and does it best. However, I would choose a 12XXXX model over any previous-gen Sub for the 70 hr power reserve and the glidelock clasp alone.
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Old 17 February 2023, 08:43 AM   #49
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I have 6.5 inch wrists, and find the 41mm Subs more comfortable than the 5 digits. Similar to why I find the 42mm Exp II extremely comfortable. The weight feels better distributed over a larger area on my wrist. Less dense feeling, I guess. And then there's the glidelock which adds more to comfort.

It's interesting you are looking at 5-digit Subs vs a 41mm Sub Date. I personally think the older non-maxi dials look better with a date as otherwise a bit too much empty space on the dial. The non-date version looks slightly better for the maxi case Subs imo.
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Old 22 January 2025, 01:30 AM   #50
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Follow the advice of everyone here: buy condition, condition, condition! As for me I could care less about box and papers of a neo vintage piece, what we call, full set. Buy the best 14060m you can find from a trusted seller then with the money you’ve saved from not paying full set send it to Rolex/Dallas for service. You will get a 2 yr international warranty card which by definition authenticates the watch.
I bought a late model 14060M with papers and sent it to RSC for servicing, just to make sure there was no hanky-panky, and to regulate the watch. It did come with full papers. RSC checked the watch, confirmed a bleu parachrom hairspring, adjusted it, water tested it and said, it was in excellent condition and did not require a servicing. So they confirmed all of it, regulated it and ensured water soundness for $0.00!
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Old 24 January 2025, 01:28 AM   #51
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Left of centre recommendation but buy a Tudor BB58,you get the retro look with a better movement and a great quality first watch then see where your journey takes you.Watch Adrian Barker on YT on why he sold his 14060 and kept the BB.
An option, but just be aware there are real differences in asthetics that may or may not bug you. I own the 14060m two liner and had the blue BB58 (sold a few years ago), currently own the BB58 GMT. These differences are:

-curve of the lugs - the BB58 lugs curve more aggressively downwards, and is noticeable even when looking straight down at it. This REALLY bugged me vs the Rolex (doesn't bug me on BB58GMT)

-bezel grip - I love the scallop style grip on the 104050m so much better then the small teeth on the BB58. It makes a big visual impact

-crown guards - no crown guards and a raised crown on BB58 - much prefer overall shape of 14060m with crown guards. This makes the overall shape of the two cases very different

-mid case thickness - thinner on the 14060m than slab sided BB58

-dial on the text - with only two lines on the 14060m the dial is SO CLEAN and symmetrical. a big bonus for me. BB58 not terrible with 3 lines, but not as good, and im not a fan too the "pyramid" shape of the 3 lines together.


Overall, the two are different enough. whether or not you care, is up to you.
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Old 24 January 2025, 02:12 AM   #52
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I’m going for either of the 14060 variants. Probably a later one. The 5 digits were just perfect all around.
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Old 24 January 2025, 02:20 AM   #53
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Hi all,

New member here and hoping to become a rolex owner.

I am finally at a point of my life where I can splurge on a nice watch and my dream watch has always been a submariner. I know that these have now become more of a status symbol and that there are probably other watches that give you a better "bang for your buck" as far as movement, materials, etc, especially with the COVID rising prices (but they seem to recently gone down a bit).

But the heart wants what the heart wants, so I'm set on it :)

Now to the purpose of this discussion. I am trying to decide between these 3 models: 14060, 14060m, and newest 126610.

I am leaning towards the first 2 older ones since I have a smaller wrist size (6.5 in Diam) and read that the newer 126610 looks significantly bigger than the older ones.

I have also tried a friends 14060 and liked how it looks, but haven't seen a 126610 in person, just pictures comparing the two and could see a evident size difference.

I know I will spend a good amount of time researching this on the forums, but thought I'd throw this out here in the wild and hear other peoples perspectives that are more knowledgable than me in this new topic :)

Thanks for any input/help in advance :)
Why not an 116610 if considering used?

Reliable, proven movement vs 126610. The increased power reserve is silly since accuracy diminishes exponentially toward the latter half. Only downside IMO, is the lack of an anti-reflective crystal the new models have. But RSC will replace the crystal (I think on any of the Subs) if you want.

A pro for the 6 digits (116610, 126610) vs the 5 digits you are considering is that the clasp is light years better and more adjustable for a perfect fit. Additionally, if you have a small wrist, the new watches have only 3 non-removable links at 6 o'clock vs 4 on the 5 digits.
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Old 24 January 2025, 02:27 AM   #54
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114060, maxi dial with maxi case.
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