Rolex GMT 1675 thoughts?

[TheManny]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Here are some comparison pics. A genuine insert vs OP's insert vs the same replica sold online.



In the pic above, note the size and font of 0 is slimmer and smaller than the 2. The size of the digits also are a bit bigger/taller than on genuine inserts (and we're not talking about Super fat etc.)



In the pic above, you can see the diff in the 12, in OP's eg, font is ugly and looks like a I2, the curved top of the 2 is also different from genuine ones.
The spacing between the numbers eg 1 and 0 of 10 is not genuine like. (Service inserts are different).



In the pic above, you can compare the shape of the 2. Again, the size is larger than usual.

Regarding comments about aging, these can be done superficially to look real thus, not very helpful to judge an insert's authenticity nowadays.
and this guy's insert's are getting better with time ...

Thank you very much for this informative reply! I’ll let the seller know and see what is up with the rest of this GMT.

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Here are some comparison pics. A genuine insert vs OP's insert vs the same replica sold online.



In the pic above, note the size and font of 0 is slimmer and smaller than the 2. The size of the digits also are a bit bigger/taller than on genuine inserts (and we're not talking about Super fat etc.)



In the pic above, you can see the diff in the 12, in OP's eg, font is ugly and looks like a I2, the curved top of the 2 is also different from genuine ones.
The spacing between the numbers eg 1 and 0 of 10 is not genuine like. (Service inserts are different).



In the pic above, you can compare the shape of the 2. Again, the size is larger than usual.

Regarding comments about aging, these can be done superficially to look real thus, not very helpful to judge an insert's authenticity nowadays.

and this guy's insert's are getting better with time ...

My god! This attention to details is super impressive! Gain additional knowledge. Thanks.

[ADINVA]

Originally Posted by TheManny

Asking price is ~11.500€.

Taking all into considerations, I would also argue that this is an attractive price point.

[XavierM]

Thanks a lot Swaini for this contribution !
At first glance this insert looked fine to me but after reading your comment I started feeling a little « hmm he’s right, something’s wrong here with size and spacing » without being too sure.
Hard to have a solid opinion regarding pricing considering the quality of the pictures but if dial and hands are perfect and original, movement is period correct. 11,5 is still a good price IMO, even with the fake insert.

[TuRo]

As ever, Swaini3 is the Gmt insertmeister.

[Dom9]

It' surely the '8' in the '18' that's the biggest tell in that insert?

[springer]

Swaini, your post on the insert being non genuine was very interesting. The insert from the OP's watch fooled me. Great post indeed. I am curious as to whether these inserts are being sold by the guy in Florida that lists them on ebay.

While I was at a watch show earlier this year, I saw some of these high quality non genuine inserts being sold on ebay. They appeared to be made of the same quality and thickness as the genuine inserts and the fonts were very good. The fuchsia inserts could definitely fool most collectors as well as the non fuchsia inserts.

If anyone is interested, I placed a thread on gmtforum.com detailing these fake fuchsia inserts at this link below.

https://gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...02bfb365686e71

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by springer

Swaini, your post on the insert being non genuine was very interesting. The insert from the OP's watch fooled me. Great post indeed. I am curious as to whether these inserts are being sold by the guy in Florida that lists them on ebay.

While I was at a watch show earlier this year, I saw some of these high quality non genuine inserts being sold on ebay. They appeared to made of the same quality and thickness as the genuine inserts and the fonts were very good. The fuchsia inserts could definitely fool most collectors as well as the non fuchsia inserts.

If anyone is interested, I placed a thread on gmtforum.com detailing these fake fuchsia inserts at this link below.

https://gmtforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...02bfb365686e71

Yes, the guy in Florida... and they keep improving. Same with the 1680 inserts.

[swaini3]

thanks all for the kind comments.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Yes, the guy in Florida... and they keep improving. Same with the 1680 inserts.

Like that thread about the ghost 1680 insert last week, another good example of his work..

[MrBlobby]

All very interesting. Thanks

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Pesky Gmt hand in front of the 7 !

If period insert and dial and handset are good €11,500 euro / £9,800 is ok ish, and perhaps towards quite keen I’d say. I’m a big fan of correct caseback (not service) which at c 68/69 it has.

Ok'ish sounds like ''not too cheap not too expensive''' but all 1675s that I see are way above this mark at 1.5 if not double. :(

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Like that thread about the ghost 1680 insert last week, another good example of his work..

link?

[fizz]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

link?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=918721

[TheManny]

Got some macro shots of the lume. Doesn’t glow under UV. Is it relumed or ”stabilized”? What are your opinions?

[Filipão]

@TheManny

Did you post pictures under UV?

This is what you're looking after, purple background and whitish hands + plots.

[springer]

For me, based on the photos, it appears the markers and hands are relumed or touched up.

[vjm99]

yeah that insert is aftermarket. Dude does great work with these inserts though! I got one myself for a little color.

I might be talking out of my ass, but that watch is trying to say something. Something about the COSC text. Doesn't glow with UV. And the case looks perfect.

the price would almost reflect the watch in pure parts value if we leave out a mk1 dial from a sketchy seller and a matching case. though I have not seen a case for sale yet.

Originally Posted by springer

The fuchsia inserts could definitely fool most collectors as well as the non fuchsia inserts.

He only does blue back fuchsias (=don't exist). Maybe pink backs for himself, who knows, lol.

(yes this is my first post)

[springer]

Originally Posted by vjm99

yeah that insert is aftermarket. Dude does great work with these inserts though! I got one myself for a little color.

I might be talking out of my ass, but that watch is trying to say something. Something about the COSC text. Doesn't glow with UV. And the case looks perfect.

the price would almost reflect the watch in pure parts value if we leave out a mk1 dial from a sketchy seller and a matching case. though I have not seen a case for sale yet.




He only does blue back fuchsias (=don't exist). Maybe pink backs for himself, who knows, lol.

(yes this is my first post)

Please take some time and read my last post and check the link in my post. Posting incorrect information here only confuses collectors.

The gentleman making these aftermarket inserts does more than blue backs. I put a link to a thread regarding fake fuchsia inserts. Please take some time and read it. He'll make fuchsia, red, blue and some with dimples, some without.

[vjm99]

Originally Posted by springer

Please take some time and read my last post and check the link in my post. Posting incorrect information here only confuses collectors.

The gentleman making these aftermarket inserts does more than blue backs. I put a link to a thread regarding fake fuchsia inserts. Please take some time and read it. He'll make fuchsia, red, blue and some with dimples, some without.

What was incorrect about my above post?

About the link to the forum post regarding inserts:

Pictures 1, 1b, 2 have the same font, triangle and piece of white stone in the background and are presumably from the same Florida seller I mentioned (about OP’s insert). And of those, I only see a blue back fuchsia.

#3 & #4 have different fonts and are not as matte from artificial bleaching and seem to be a different manufacturer. And also way better at fooling us. Sorry for any confusion. And yes, I totally believe that he can easily also make other, 100%-there inserts with a different background.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by vjm99

What was incorrect about my above post?

Welcome Sir.

Wishing you a long staying with us...

[springer]

Originally Posted by vjm99

What was incorrect about my above post?

About the link to the forum post regarding inserts:

Pictures 1, 1b, 2 have the same font, triangle and piece of white stone in the background and are presumably from the same Florida seller I mentioned (about OP’s insert). And of those, I only see a blue back fuchsia.

#3 & #4 have different fonts and are not as matte from artificial bleaching and seem to be a different manufacturer. And also way better at fooling us. Sorry for any confusion. And yes, I totally believe that he can easily also make other, 100%-there inserts with a different background.

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In response to...what was incorrect about my post ...

I did write that there are other colors on the backside of aftermarket fuchsia inserts besides blue. You mentioned the different backgrounds found in my post regarding aftermarket fuchsia inserts which are from individuals that sent me photos of the inserts they purchased on ebay.

[N0trub]

Post like this are so wonderful thank you all for sharing you wisdom…..makes me feel like i have learned something