Submariner 14060 or BB58?

[Jackie Daytona]

Submariner for me. No substituting it in its realm IMO.

[Gerry62]

The Sub 14060 clearly wins
The Tudor is beautiful but the Sub is another level

[Meyrin]

Originally posted by wxflyer:
The Sub is an icon, no question. But an older Sub like the 14060 is arguably inferior to the Tudor Black Bay 58. Or is it?

Absolutely not! But I´m biased...I own a 14060. Wonderfully comfortable, rugged and still very accurate. Silky winding and NO snowflake hands, which I intensely dislike! The Submariner is simply a timeless icon imo, against which all other divers are measured!

[Torshalla]

I would go for the Sub… if you regretted it down the road you could always sell it and get your money back. But if you really want a Sub and compromise now for the BB, you may regret it and then a few years from now Sub prices may have gone up…

[Subb]

I will always go for the sub.

[Spoonage]

I would take the Sub all day between the two... Honestly the whole push for the latest and greatest or extremely long power reserves is not an issue for me... Simply wear it daily and no need for any PR over 48hr. And in reality I would prefer a manual wind anyway...

[dubins930]

14060 is an icon, BB58 is built better and has a better movement. The nice thing about the BB58 is you can buy it and take it anywhere. If you’re ok with buying the Sub and having it serviced to make sure it’s waterproof than it’s really up to personal preference.

[worldofoyster]

The 10460 is a true classic

[GGGMT]

You value damn good classic or better new watch of less profile?


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[Thewatchfactor]

BB58 will be my choice

[subtona]

Fair question.

I have both. Blue dial bb58 & 14060.
Bb has domed sapphire crystal and larger hands and is .4mm thinner than the sub. All significant details for me.


The bb movement has a longer power reserve… nice but irrelevant as I have never had a need with my sub.

I remember reading that Bb movement might simply be replaced in service.

In the end, the sub is a timeless wristwatch and among the most iconic ever produced.

The bb is nice and captures many elements of that amazing sub but it is not the sub.

Finally you may be less of a target with the Tudor on your wrist than the Rolex but who knows.

[Garry1]

You can't go wrong with any of them but I'd prefer 14060 because it's a Rolex.

[Gerardus]

Originally Posted by worldofoyster

The 10460 is a true classic

Type error

[mjf1500]

BB58 is a fine watch

[AmgAslLolBrb]

Originally Posted by wxflyer

The Sub is an icon, no question. But an older Sub like the 14060 is arguably inferior to the Tudor Black Bay 58. Or is it?

The newest 14060 is a decade or more old, so I’m guessing the movement isn’t as good as the BB58. Accuracy? Anti-magnetism? And the 14060 bracelet is objectively inferior to the BB58’s.

So what are your thoughts, Rolex enthusiast community? I’m ready to buy, but I’m having a hard time justifying a Sub 14060 at 3-times the price of a new BB58. Thanks for your input!

Hands down the Submariner

[youneswatches]

You can't go wrong with the 14060 sub

[East of Eden]

Don't like the BB58 snowflake hand, fake rivets, and prefer the look of 916L steel.

[GradyPhilpott]

I bought my 14060M in December 2011, just before the 114060 was introduced at Basel 2012.

I've never regretted that stroke of happenstance.

[Brian Page]

sub

[Lesnerelli23]

A BB58 will not replace the desire for a Sub.

It’s an incredible watch for sure, especially on paper. I like the aesthetic better than the Sub you’re considering. However, if you “settle” for the Tudor, you’ll end up longing, maybe even more so, for the Rolex.

To ease a little of the “is the Tudor technically a better watch?” feeling. It could be, BUT, it lacks the decades of proof that a 5 digit Sub has. While the BB58 looks superior on paper, the Rolex has proven it’s durability.


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[cornerstore]

Pelagos 39 … one and done.

[East of Eden]

Originally Posted by Lesnerelli23

A BB58 will not replace the desire for a Sub.

It’s an incredible watch for sure, especially on paper. I like the aesthetic better than the Sub you’re considering. However, if you “settle” for the Tudor, you’ll end up longing, maybe even more so, for the Rolex.

To ease a little of the “is the Tudor technically a better watch?” feeling. It could be, BUT, it lacks the decades of proof that a 5 digit Sub has. While the BB58 looks superior on paper, the Rolex has proven it’s durability.


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Heck, a G-Shock is better on paper than any Rolex, so what? To me, the Tudor Sub is little different than scores of Sub homage watches.

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by East of Eden

Heck, a G-Shock is better on paper than any Rolex, so what? To me, the Tudor Sub is little different than scores of Sub homage watches.

A G-Shock isn’t a mechanical watch so apples and oranges. If we were discussing quartz watches I would absolutely agree.

The Tudor is far superior in fit/finish to the droves of homages. Furthermore, a BB58 is actually an homage to its own brand or line of watches.

All that said, I argued FOR the Sub over the Tudor so I’m not sure what flaws you’re finding in my statement???


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[NachoNeal]

[IMG]Tudor by Nacho Neal, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]rolex by Nacho Neal, on Flickr[/IMG]
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The 10460 is mine. And the BB58 is my son's.

both awesome watches!

[East of Eden]

Originally Posted by Lesnerelli23

A G-Shock isn’t a mechanical watch so apples and oranges. If we were discussing quartz watches I would absolutely agree.

The Tudor is far superior in fit/finish to the droves of homages. Furthermore, a BB58 is actually an homage to its own brand or line of watches.

All that said, I argued FOR the Sub over the Tudor so I’m not sure what flaws you’re finding in my statement???


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I was agreeing with you, awkwardly it seems. Here's a pretty good homage I'd consider over Tudor, check out the lume, much better than the Rolex lume:

https://ginault.com/

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by East of Eden

I was agreeing with you, awkwardly it seems. Here's a pretty good homage I'd consider over Tudor, check out the lume, much better than the Rolex lume:

https://ginault.com/

Oof, ya I was not getting that lol. Thanks for clarifying :)

The Ginault looks nice and I could see why someone might prefer it over a BB58.

I have a very classic taste with modern expectations and I like the Tudor brand quite a bit because of how they fit within that for me :)

However my 116610 is far and away my favorite watch in my collection!


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[LC23]

have both. sub is the choice

[BDII]

As an owner of a BB58 since it came out… I wish I had gone for the sub :)

[zoro4now]

Sub.

[Michael1968]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

i’ll take the bb58 over the 5 digit sub

+1