Phones in schools....

[INC]

I think this is a problem everywhere in the first world.

Based on this, let me address this topic in a different way. What you have said are all reasonable sounding arguments, so I am sorry to say that you are missing one interesting point.

This question is not about the PHONES. Mobile phones have been around for decades and they have never caused a problem in schools. Moreover, there are smart devices for a decade, but just a few years ago internet subscriptions were terribly expensive. Consequently, the REAL problem is SMARTPHONES and SMART DEVICES, which have NOTHING to do with personal communication, but only to DIGITAL SLAVERY.

Following from the above, the answer to all REAL arguments is: A dumb phone.

And now ask the parents and the children whether it would be suitable for them to have such a device with them at any time during the lessons? What will be the answer? That it's not appropriate!

And that's exactly the point, it's not about communication, it's about addiction. Addiction can only be ensured by removing the Internet from these devices. However, internet solution providers cannot be banned, so the only way to FREE children is to ban them from having these devices during school hours.

(IMHO)

[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by Krash

Yeah, phones should be banned from class but not from school. Students should be required to keep them locked up in their lockers. Once school is over, kids should have access to their phones in case of an emergency.

/\ This /\

………… and teachers should not be seen nor using them in classroom ! I’ve heard they are just as guilty !

[Andad]

Originally Posted by INC

I think this is a problem everywhere in the first world.

Based on this, let me address this topic in a different way. What you have said are all reasonable sounding arguments, so I am sorry to say that you are missing one interesting point.

This question is not about the PHONES. Mobile phones have been around for decades and they have never caused a problem in schools. Moreover, there are smart devices for a decade, but just a few years ago internet subscriptions were terribly expensive. Consequently, the REAL problem is SMARTPHONES and SMART DEVICES, which have NOTHING to do with personal communication, but only to DIGITAL SLAVERY.

Following from the above, the answer to all REAL arguments is: A dumb phone.

And now ask the parents and the children whether it would be suitable for them to have such a device with them at any time during the lessons? What will be the answer? That it's not appropriate!

And that's exactly the point, it's not about communication, it's about addiction. Addiction can only be ensured by removing the Internet from these devices. However, internet solution providers cannot be banned, so the only way to FREE children is to ban them from having these devices during school hours.

(IMHO)

10/10.

[watchmavan]

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Disagree. You have access. Just call the school. Imagine a situation where children get contacted with emergencies and then under parent instruction leave the grounds or get picked up. Rather than thinking of an individual situation you need to think through the consequences of this condition being for all students and what might happen.

BTW I’m paid to give this situation a LOT of thought.


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[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by brandrea;[emoji[emoji638

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I agree with some of the above comments … it drives my nuts when our kids have their heads buried in their phones when I think they should be engaged in conversation or whatever else is going on around them.

That said, I also think the genie is out of the bottle, and perhaps it would be better if educators taught kids how to use their phones with social awareness in mind and/or for educational purposes rather than pretending they don’t exist. Just my :[emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]]:

All of those things are happening right now. You don’t need a phone to achieve that though. As a matter of fact, the phone brings nothing new to that.


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[TRS1]

If you don’t have kids and see the problems these devices are creating, then you really don’t know.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by INC

I think this is a problem everywhere in the first world.

Based on this, let me address this topic in a different way. What you have said are all reasonable sounding arguments, so I am sorry to say that you are missing one interesting point.

This question is not about the PHONES. Mobile phones have been around for decades and they have never caused a problem in schools. Moreover, there are smart devices for a decade, but just a few years ago internet subscriptions were terribly expensive. Consequently, the REAL problem is SMARTPHONES and SMART DEVICES, which have NOTHING to do with personal communication, but only to DIGITAL SLAVERY.

Following from the above, the answer to all REAL arguments is: A dumb phone.

And now ask the parents and the children whether it would be suitable for them to have such a device with them at any time during the lessons? What will be the answer? That it's not appropriate!

And that's exactly the point, it's not about communication, it's about addiction. Addiction can only be ensured by removing the Internet from these devices. However, internet solution providers cannot be banned, so the only way to FREE children is to ban them from having these devices during school hours.

(IMHO)

But can't dumb phones still text?

[INC]

Originally Posted by Blansky

But can't dumb phones still text?

Well of course, yes. But in my opinion, most of the young people don't even know how to send sms from a dumb phone

[Blansky]

What I find fascinating is kids/people that have had smart phones their whole life can't even imagine the concept of shutting it off or leaving the sewer that is social media.

Jordan Chiles who lost the bronze medal in the Olympics said a few days ago she had received hate mail through her social media accounts.....and I thought to myself....well turn the damn things off or log out. But it is beyond their comprehension to entertain the thought of leaving these sites.

It is so ingrained in their psyche, and their habits, that participation in social media is like breathing to them, and when it turns on them, that they don't think to just get out of it. Delete their accounts.

That's how powerful and pervasive it is. It truly is an addiction that most can never break away from.

[colpol]

It’s not just kid & schools

Office I work in / everyone on their phones too. More the 30 & under age group. Don’t get me started on headphones in the office. When did we ever get to the point that walking about the office with over ear headphones was even allowed

[Tricolore66]

I’d definitely ban them in classrooms. If I owned a business I’d insist that employees leave them in their cars, and supply them with a phone if necessary for work. I’m tired of walking into businesses and seeing employees glued to their phones and not even looking up to acknowledge a customer.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Blansky

What I find fascinating is kids/people that have had smart phones their whole life can't even imagine the concept of shutting it off or leaving the sewer that is social media.

Jordan Chiles who lost the bronze medal in the Olympics said a few days ago she had received hate mail through her social media accounts.....and I thought to myself....well turn the damn things off or log out. But it is beyond their comprehension to entertain the thought of leaving these sites.

It is so ingrained in their psyche, and their habits, that participation in social media is like breathing to them, and when it turns on them, that they don't think to just get out of it. Delete their accounts.

That's how powerful and pervasive it is. It truly is an addiction that most can never break away from.

Social media is worthy of an entire thread to itself. Other than TRF and a couple car and sports forums, I have virtually zero digital footprint.

I have a LinkedIn account but I haven’t logged into that for as long as I could remember. If an alien from another world asked me to describe what LinkedIn is, I’d say, “it’s a digital media platform where business professionals pretend to be morally superior, pillars of society.”

I also have a Twitter (X) account. I like Twitter as a news feed. It’s pretty good for that, especially for sports fans. You often find out about things first on that platform. For example, details of a big trade, injury status for a star player, etc. But I’ve never posted one tweet in over a decade of being a subscriber.


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Blansky

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That's how powerful and pervasive it is. It truly is an addiction that most can never break away from.

Other than TRF, that is.

[daysky1]

If the parents need to contact the kids they can call the school office. I agree that phones can and should be banned in school they are a distraction and they interfere with interaction between students that would otherwise take place. School is a place for the kids to grow and develop their skills whether they're personal or professional.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Other than TRF, that is.

People often cite this, but I think there is a big difference between a moderated chat room associated with a hobby, and Facebook/Instagram/Twitter-X etc etc. which is a wide open, no holds barred sewer of posts, trolls, bots, lies and misinformation, disguised as free speech.

Also another difference is how those platforms take people down rabbit holes to the next adjoining sewer and beyond where TRF just makes you feel inadequate if you’ve been on a waiting list for more than a year.

[KathleenL]

What an interesting discussion. Thankful I don't have kids (and if I did, they'd be too old to still be in school because I'm ancient).

Having said that, I can't help but think of mass shooter situations at schools, and the times when students with a phone have been able to call for help. How would they be able to do that if their phones were in their lockers?

[enjoythemusic]

Can we at least ALL AGREE to ban pagers.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Blansky

What I find fascinating is kids/people that have had smart phones their whole life can't even imagine the concept of shutting it off or leaving the sewer that is social media.

Jordan Chiles who lost the bronze medal in the Olympics said a few days ago she had received hate mail through her social media accounts.....and I thought to myself....well turn the damn things off or log out. But it is beyond their comprehension to entertain the thought of leaving these sites.

It is so ingrained in their psyche, and their habits, that participation in social media is like breathing to them, and when it turns on them, that they don't think to just get out of it. Delete their accounts.

That's how powerful and pervasive it is. It truly is an addiction that most can never break away from.

it's not that simple for athletes...a lot of them make millions off social media and when you're in a sport like gymnastics which pays next to nothing it makes a huge difference, so you can't just delete your account + you have contracts with brands that require posting, etc. it's unfortunately the catch 22 of building a brand as an athlete and i don't know how they keep themselves sane in today's world, but it's unfair to victim blame her in this case because people with actual issues are bullying her lol. you don't even know if she's on it all the time or just using it as a major source of income

i think the real solution to this is probably to just get a social media manager who manages your endorsements and posts but that makes things not very personal and kinda ruins the brand these people are trying to build. also means you have to pay someone and give them full access to all your stuff

on the overall topic of social media though, it's a toxic place for sure and i really don't think there's much to gain if you're a normal person on there. it's just a place where everything is fake and makes your life feel worse but at the same time having an instagram these days is essential for networking because no one wants to give out their numbers or store phone numbers and a name and then not be remembered

Originally Posted by Krash

I have a LinkedIn account but I haven’t logged into that for as long as I could remember. If an alien from another world asked me to describe what LinkedIn is, I’d say, “it’s a digital media platform where business professionals pretend to be morally superior, pillars of society.”

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linkedin is a cesspool, i can't stand that place. somehow it's become a place to overshare your personal life among professionals you work with or it's just littered with generic posts about the "grind" and how "i overcame adversity and worked hard and this is why i got to where i am today" bs. i don't understand the weird obsession with humble bragging today

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Maleg

Other than TRF, that is.

[77T]

Phones are fine for their safety value in any emergency. I wouldn't ban them or lock them away in bags/boxes/lockers.

But...
What schools need is the authority and technology to geo-fence their students' smartphones - block all WiFi, Apps, and cellular data as they come on campus.

It'd be Plain Old Telephone Service (remember those days?) only for 911 calls or a call to an Emergency Contact. Or only receiving a call from an Emergency Contact.

This way they don't need to lock them up - they'll not be able to be distracted.


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[pickettt]

Originally Posted by 77T

Phones are fine for their safety value in any emergency. I wouldn't ban them or lock them away in bags/boxes/lockers.

But...
What schools need is the authority and technology to geo-fence their students' smartphones - block all WiFi, Apps, and cellular data as they come on campus.

It'd be Plain Old Telephone Service (remember those days?) only for 911 calls or a call to an Emergency Contact. Or only receiving a call from an Emergency Contact.

This way they don't need to lock them up - they'll not be able to be distracted.


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I doubt kids even know how to use a smartphone for that purpose.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by TNT009

Only reason I see is in the event of a school shooting... Other than that, keep em locked up!

Such a shame that this is even a reply to a reasonable question (nothing against TNT009). In what kind of messed up world should we have to constantly mitigate against this kind of event? The mind boggles.

[rolehex]

Phones should never be allowed in class period. i used to teach many years ago and there were enough distractions to deal with besides social media and texting in class. Recess, lunch and in between periods are fine.
In case of emergency, parents could call the office and the office can pull the student from class. Today's helicopter and snowplow parents should be actual parents and not besties.

And get off my lawn!

[vipereaper30]

Phones should be collected at the door. Better yet our kids shouldn't have access to them at all.

[1st amg]

Our children's school board passed a motion a few months back that this year curriculum at the schools in all of our province, Ontario, will block all social media through Wifi and IP address while on school property.....now we are going to see the kids sweat.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Our children's school board passed a motion a few months back that this year curriculum at the schools in all of our province, Ontario, will block all social media through Wifi and IP address while on school property.....now we are going to see the kids sweat.

Hadn’t heard that

Our kids (teenagers both in University) are all about Snap Chat. It’s the predominant way they communicate with each other (and their mother).

What’s crazy about it is the socialization aspect … everyone knows where everyone else is at all times. There’s no break from it … and if you don’t respond to a snap you’ve committed an “O bomb” which apparently is very bad.

I’m happy to have grown up in an era without cell phones.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Ontario, will block all social media through Wifi and IP address while on school property.....now we are going to see the kids sweat.

Yet still accessible via 5G and / or VPN?

[INC]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Yet still accessible via 5G and / or VPN?

If their IT is good, then this is not a problem. Almost any system can be easily configured to disallow to connect to the "social media" terror. It's just a matter of will only.

However, this is only true for devices owned by the school and devices using the school internet, obviously not for personal devices which have a private internet connection. Unfortunately, on the one hand, the schools are too small for the ISPs to be able to ban these accesses based on geolocation alone, and on the other hand, I think it would raise constitutional concerns if anyone wanted to introduce restrictions on the devices that adults own.