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18 October 2024, 10:44 PM | #31 |
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Thank you Michael for sharing real pictures. I personally really like the 5821/1A and 5822P, and can't wait to try them on when our local Patek AD has them. I'd definitely like to add these to my collection over time, but I do agree that the Nautilus is the GOAT when it comes to sports watches, and it makes my 5811G so much more special. Either way, I'm looking forward trying these IRL over the next few weeks.
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Looks like a measurement (case/dial) from 12 to 6 would be equal between both? But then again, the 5811 has already been upsized if I remember correctly?
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If it had been a touch smaller I think many more would have appreciated it.
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If they would have made it smaller, it would've looked much better.
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I don't have the exact dimensions but the L2L of the Cubitus is only 46mm which should be ballpark of the 5811. Can anyone here confirm the L2L of the 5811 - mine is in deposit box? Visually the 12-6 are close.
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18 October 2024, 11:43 PM | #39 |
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It’s a big, overpriced collection that lacks imagination.
After much anticipation and expectation, it leaves me with a bittersweet feeling. It could have been epic, with a diver or sports chrono, but it’s just more of the same, in a worse form. Thierry’s decisions are based on the assumption that we’ll love anything from Patek Philippe. On the other hand, I’m very happy because I already have, to my taste, the three most amazing sports watches ever made by Patek Philippe: the 5066, the 5164A, and the 5711. It's very nice to know that I won’t be lamenting not being able to buy new watches from them. |
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Thank you Ichi.... always really kind.
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The Cubitus release only serves to emphasize that watch collectors who value innovative design for sport watches need to go Independent. |
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IMO, would look better if they lose the ears on the sides of the case. It would look more streamlined and flows better with the bracelet.
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19 October 2024, 12:29 AM | #43 |
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Thank you for sharing OP and the notes. Great pictures.
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Yeah but it’s been stuck there for eight days presumably.
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I am sure Patek is already starting to feel pangs of regret, and yet they will make these pieces appear hard to obtain to extract maximum value out of the model even though I'd wager demand will be far less than Naut/Aqua
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It's a complete about face. Thierry gave the famous interview where he declared that he does not want Patek to be known as the Nautilus company, boldly declares the 5711 done in line with that, and then turns literally right around and has the elves in the factory clone the Nautilus, just make it square, and release it for the first new model in 25 years... |
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Seems like a watch that wasn’t necessary to create. Maybe they were too far into the R&D spend and decided to just bite the bullet and release at a time of year, which doesn’t make sense to release such a flagship watch
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Thank you for posting these pics. Much appreciated.
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I would have far rather seen new Calatrava variants, maybe on rubber strap or interchangeable bracelet, as the new entry model release or something to harken back more to Patek's roots as a watchmaker and tie that in with current youth tastes, than another Nautilus spin albeit this time in far worse form.. |
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Someone earlier posted that they are pivoting to SS models because dress watches have fallen out of favor. Your comment reflects how that is probably not true. The Stern family has been running an effective business for generations. So, it's best to conclude that their decision to create the Cubitus was a good one for Patek, and not some sort of bet-the-farm activity. PS. I'm going to toss on my Calatrava today, lol. |
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They are not a Nautilus company you are alluding to simply because they release Cubitus yesterday to complement their full line up of watch collection. I can still buy a whole range of dress watches at their AD or Salons. |
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Sooooo presume they offered you one...which one you picking??
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19 October 2024, 01:30 AM | #54 |
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Thierry Stern claimed that this is a line with a new movement
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Hands-on and first impression of the Cubitus collection
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Referencing Patek’s grand complications, which can command prices north of $1 million, isn’t the right comparison here. Many, though not all, top-tier collectors I know only began acquiring grand complications when Patek watches became increasingly hard to get, especially alongside Rolex and AP - during the pandemic. Btw- I know many people who had no idea about Patek and AP before the whole hype around the nautilus and RO started. Rolex is a GENIUS marketing- so even a person not into watches knows who they are the moment they exit their mother’s uterus. Without the Nautilus and Aquanaut, Patek might (or might not) have been positioned amongst brands like VC, Breguet or JLC today—renowned for their exceptional high horology, masterful craftsmanship, complications and rich history, but largely appealing to an older, more traditional clientele, and lacking the widespread "hype." While Patek claims it avoids working with brand ambassadors, and that approach is admirable, it's clear that the brand's modern prestige owes much to its two most coveted models, the Nautilus and Aquanaut. These designs have significantly contributed to Patek's current status among collectors and its elevated position in the luxury watch world. I’m not sure it’s the new ad for the cubitus that will market these pieces.. Thank you for the pictures and further feedback. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The Decubitus line is PP's attempt to build on the desirability and market price of the Nautilus without drastically increasing the price of the 5711.
PP saw the prices on the gray market, got annoyed with the associated dilemma and wanted a piece of the pie. So the 5711 had to die and after many years of development, the 5822 took its place. |
19 October 2024, 02:05 AM | #57 |
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Thanks a lot Ichiran for the pictures and comments
Even if I'm too biased right now by the 5712 I own, I think the Cubitus might be a beautiful watch in real (judging from pics never does a watch justice). It's of course much too big for me, even if I'm surprised by the 5711/Cubitus side by side picture. Square watches don't appeal to most of the people in general. Especially in this size. But it might look elegant with a strong personality in real. Square watches in general and especially of that size are not designed to please the majority. I have the impression they stopped the men Gondolos that didn't sell well (even with a square shaped caliber) to leave room for this one, another interpretation of a shaped watch that could use the help of the Nautilus already shaping clients tastes. It's a variation of the Nautilus that widens the offer. And people are much louder on aesthetics (always the same scenario when novelties are launched) than on technical aspects. And people are much less vocal when they like the watch or when Patek brings case diversity, complexity especially or dial color skills. These are main elements Patek masters greatly in their established traditional field. Cheers Michael. |
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I am still waiting for a proper 96 re-make. |
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Unfortunately I don’t think your getting one, for me Patek died the day they discontinued the 5196, nothing they have done since can convince me otherwise.
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