Patek Philippe rare handcrafts 2025

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

The idea of rare handcrafts is to reward customers who are bored after collecting many Patek including the most complicated ones, and with no other references to acquire next. At W&W, every AD will ask Patek for one and most AD will not be getting it because there are too few pieces made.

Thats what I thought too. But it seems some members here said the opposite.....hmmm

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by Russell996

To clarify, you were asked if you wanted to put your name forward for a rare handcrafts.

You are the only person here who can share us your real experiences

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by wlchuccc

Thats what I thought too. But it seems some members here said the opposite.....hmmm

They are very respected members we need to accord them full respect. I can only share from my own experience. You should ask Russell though he is 100% legit.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Russell996

To clarify, you were asked if you wanted to put your name forward for a rare handcrafts.

yeah but both AD are sure to get one piece at least, as it happened in the last years for them.
i refused the piece last year but they reoffered this year.
in patek hyperbole they are considered rare but many pieces can be be picked up on the grey market for retail/under retail.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by wlchuccc

Thats what I thought too. But it seems some members here said the opposite.....hmmm

hmmmm....isn't it 35 or so different wrist watches this year? 10 pieces for each model makes 350 rare handcrafts per year, about 1-2 for each AD. am i wrong?

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by pam66

hmmmm....isn't it 35 or so different wrist watches this year? 10 pieces for each model makes 350 rare handcrafts per year, about 1-2 for each AD. am i wrong?

I think 350 is a small quantity. I think it may be easy for a vip like you or others. I have asked my AD and he said no chance. That’s why I may consider to go grey with a premium. I don’t intend to question your comments. I am just curious about the polar experiences from the members here.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by pam66

yeah but both AD are sure to get one piece at least, as it happened in the last years for them.
i refused the piece last year but they reoffered this year.
in patek hyperbole they are considered rare but many pieces can be be picked up on the grey market for retail/under retail.

Yes, but out of the 35 different pieces presented I'm assuming that only 1 or 2 pieces at most might appeal to any given Patek collector? I tend to like a piece only every couple of years, last year nothing appealed.

[Ichiran]

In this 2018 video, TS said Patek only produced 50, 55 or 57 such rare handcrafts timepieces per year (excluding normal catalog WT and MR), and there are thousands of orders from AD over the world. In 2018, there were only 50 timepieces produced. There are now 270 AD but around 400 AD previously. Do the Math, but what do I know I'm uneducated. There is no way to mass produce these watches for obvious reasons but what do I know I'm a watch noob.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Yes, but out of the 35 different pieces presented I'm assuming that only 1 or 2 pieces at most might appeal to any given Patek collector? I tend to like a piece only every couple of years, last year nothing appealed.

absolutely correct

[pam66]

Originally Posted by wlchuccc

I think 350 is a small quantity. I think it may be easy for a vip like you or others. I have asked my AD and he said no chance. That’s why I may consider to go grey with a premium. I don’t intend to question your comments. I am just curious about the polar experiences from the members here.

i believe all depends very much on the geographical market you are in.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

In this 2018 video, TS said Patek only produced 50, 55 or 57 such rare handcrafts timepieces per year (excluding normal catalog WT and MR), and there are thousands of orders from AD over the world. In 2018, there were only 50 timepieces produced. There are now 270 AD but around 400 AD previously. Do the Math, but what do I know I'm uneducated. There is no way to mass produce these watches for obvious reasons but what do I know I'm a watch noob.

what PP says is that each of the enamel pieces has an edition of 10. i believe the days are gone, where anita porchet did all those dials herself.
btw, a few years back i was in the republic of georgia and there were quite a few enamel artists around producing outstanding work (for very little money), e.g.
https://mygeotrip.com/gallery-of-clo...namel-ornament
just saying:::)))

[pam66]

Originally Posted by pam66

what PP says is that each of the enamel pieces has an edition of 10. i believe the days are gone, where anita porchet did all those dials herself.
btw, a few years back i was in the republic of georgia and there were quite a few enamel artists around producing outstanding work (for very little money), e.g.
https://mygeotrip.com/gallery-of-clo...namel-ornament
just saying:::)))

btw, in the youtube video TS speaks of 50-55 different pieces...he forgot to mention how many of each of those pieces are produced:::))))
and when he talks about 'passion, not making money' it borders the ridiculous::::)))

[mjm700]

Video made me think of listening to enzo ferrari and the task of making one group of products (road cars) to enable you to make what you are really passionate about (race cars). Perhaps that is why he means by profitability and where items like the rare handcrafts fit in.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by pam66

btw, in the youtube video TS speaks of 50-55 different pieces...he forgot to mention how many of each of those pieces are produced:::))))
and when he talks about 'passion, not making money' it borders the ridiculous::::)))

If you bother to spend a few minutes more to watch until the end, it's 50 pieces. 50.

Just 50 pieces.

50 only.

This is not the only interview on the production volume of rare handcrafts.

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by pam66

i believe all depends very much on the geographical market you are in.

Cheers mate. In Europe it’s very difficult unless you are a vip like you and Roger

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

If you bother to spend a few minutes more to watch until the end, it's 50 pieces. 50.

Just 50 pieces.

50 only.

This is not the only interview on the production volume of rare handcrafts.

maybe at the time when the video was taken. if you insist that those are today's number
then please explain to me how 35 (types of rare handcraft wrist watches) x 10 (editions of each watch) = 50.
if you can do that i have failed miserably in my profession:::)))

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by pam66

maybe at the time when the video was taken. if you insist that those are today's number
then please explain to me how 35 (types of rare handcraft wrist watches) x 10 (editions of each watch) = 50.
if you can do that i have failed miserably in my profession:::)))

Some of the pieces last year were made by 15 pieces each btw.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by pam66

maybe at the time when the video was taken. if you insist that those are today's number
then please explain to me how 35 (types of rare handcraft wrist watches) x 10 (editions of each watch) = 50.
if you can do that i have failed miserably in my profession:::)))

I have wasted time to attach an video interview for the 50 pieces. You could at least start by substantiating that wild "35 by 10" figure. My profession only believes in proofs and facts.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I have wasted time to attach an video interview for the 50 pieces. You could at least start by substantiating that wild "35 by 10" figure. My profession only believes in proofs and facts.

taking about facts, check this out:
https://www.cortinawatch.com/en/news...ndcrafts-2025/
it is 44 calatravas and ellipses in this year's rare handcraft edition. each edition of 6 or 10.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by pam66

taking about facts, check this out:
https://www.cortinawatch.com/en/news...ndcrafts-2025/
it is 44 calatravas and ellipses in this year's rare handcraft edition. each edition of 6 or 10.

These 44 are all unique, there is no repeat dial. And this is comparable to 50 pcs in 2018. Some years have repeats but not this year. In repeated series, the total number does not deviate from 50.

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I have wasted time to attach an video interview for the 50 pieces. You could at least start by substantiating that wild "35 by 10" figure. My profession only believes in proofs and facts.

I also find it difficult to upload a pic here as I have found something nice to share.

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

These 44 are all unique, there is no repeat dial. And this is comparable to 50 pcs in 2018. Some years have repeats but not this year. In repeated series, the total number does not deviate from 50.

I think you are in Singapore. I have visited Singapore Cortina and elsewhere. My experience is to order RH is very difficult. The ADs usually just receive 1 or maybe 2 pieces without any prior knowledge. And they will contact their VIPs and it is unlikely it will sell to a non-vip or even a walkin customers. So I think different markets may also place a huge factor. I was surprised that Europe is still difficult considering that customers have to pay a huge tax on these RH pieces.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

These 44 are all unique, there is no repeat dial. And this is comparable to 50 pcs in 2018. Some years have repeats but not this year. In repeated series, the total number does not deviate from 50.

of course they are not unique. mostly editions of 10. check WPS forum. the pocket watches and domes clocks are unique, the wristwatches not.

[bob101]

As far as I’m aware, all the different Calatrava like:

-5077/100G-079 “Feathers” blue
-5077/100G-070 "Feathers" green
-5077/100G-081 "Cracked Candles,"
-5077/215G “Macaw”
-5077/100R-053 "Lavender and Dry-Stone Huts,"
-5098G-107 "Olive Groves and Alpilles,"
-5089G-106 "Vines and Village of Gordes." Each is limited to 10 pieces with cloisonné enamel dial.

are all limited to ten pieces each.

- The different ellipse 5738G are ten pieces each too
-forest in the mist with bear
-forest in the mist with stag.
-5738/50G-029 Golden Ellipse "Bald Eagle”
-5738/50J-001 "Burmese Albino Python"
-The rather odd looking one with the gears “horological gear trains” there’s 10 also I believe.
-Two ellipse 5738/r and 5738/g with the bracelets in white gold and rose gold are ten pieces each.

Always special pieces, id take the eagle or the python if offered!

[wlchuccc]

Originally Posted by pam66

of course they are not unique. mostly editions of 10. check WPS forum. the pocket watches and domes clocks are unique, the wristwatches not.

I think you are spot on. I was at the exhibition on the first day and I confirm this is what I have been told too.

[77T]

The maths I'm reading in some posts here don't add up to the numbers contained in the article cited by a member at: https://www.cortinawatch.com/en/news...ndcrafts-2025/

If we are to believe the article is accurate, 78 new 2025 Rare Handcrafts will be executed.

24 are clocks (23 dome table/small clocks + 1 desk clock)

10 are pocket watches

44 Calatrava/Ellipse wristwatches

= 78 Total

It mentions 12 LE Zodiac Calatravas @ 2 each = 24 Zodiacs.


Not my photo - just representative of 12 Zodiac signs.

Then it goes on to talk about different one-off motifs for Ellipses, clocks, pocket watches.

Nowhere (that I can find in the article) does it say 10 each of any motif are to be repeated.

Perhaps the Zodiac Calatravas may have 2 per sign that are nearly the same within the run of 24 but that isn't made definitely clear.

If PP published a catalog for exhibition goers maybe it has a definitive answer...


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[Chiboy]

I wonder if Russell996's beautiful car watch looks *exactly* like the picture on the cover of that book/catalogue. That would shed a little light on whether these are all "1 of 1" or a very small run.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by 77T

The maths I'm reading in some posts here don't add up to the numbers contained in the article cited by a member at: https://www.cortinawatch.com/en/news...ndcrafts-2025/

If we are to believe the article is accurate, 78 new 2025 Rare Handcrafts will be executed.

24 are clocks (23 dome table/small clocks + 1 desk clock)

10 are pocket watches

44 Calatrava/Ellipse wristwatches

= 78 Total

It mentions 12 LE Zodiac Calatravas @ 2 each = 24 Zodiacs.


Not my photo - just representative of 12 Zodiac signs.

Then it goes on to talk about different one-off motifs for Ellipses, clocks, pocket watches.

Nowhere (that I can find in the article) does it say 10 each of any motif are to be repeated.

Perhaps the Zodiac Calatravas may have 2 per sign that are nearly the same within the run of 24 but that isn't made definitely clear.

If PP published a catalog for exhibition goers maybe it has a definitive answer...


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PP does publish a catalogue of the exhibition and you will find the edition numbers in the other forum WPS, PP section. an admin from over there took pictures of the descriptions of the watches which contain the numbers of watches (-editions) of each rare handcraft design.

[77T]

Thanks - just interested in how there could be so many "opinions" on the production numbers.

For example, if there was one full sized dome clock, your reading is that 10 examples would be produced?


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[pam66]

Originally Posted by 77T

Thanks - just interested in how there could be so many "opinions" on the production numbers.

For example, if there was one full sized dome clock, your reading is that 10 examples would be produced?


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i already stated that dome clocks and pocket watches are unique or come in very small editions (each type 1-3) while wrist watches usually come in editions of 6, 10 or 15 examples per design.