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OmegaJJH · 15 July 2019, 05:37 AM

A truly great day of sport all round!!

Silverstone F1, Wimbledon & Cricket WC.

Plus... I started today in Majorca and got home to this !!!!!

Agree that Seb is a shadow of the man we saw in a RB.

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Zakalwe · 15 July 2019, 07:17 AM

The knock on Vettel whilst he was at RB was that he was a time-trialist: that if you stuck him at the front in a fast car without too much competition he would bang out lap after lap and run away from the pack. But it was also said by a few that he wasn’t so great if you stuck him in traffic and that he wasn’t the best overtaker. A lot of prominent people in the media, including the excellent Brundle, said that was a load of rubbish and because the RB car was so dominant, because Vettel was clearly favoured by the team over the only other guy in equal machinery and because Webber was pretty average, he got to do a lot of time-trialling so it couldn’t be proved definitively if what his critics said about his racing ability was true.

His performances since his last championship with RB, including his last season with RB when Ricciardo wiped the floor with him as well as his time with Ferrari show that his critics were right all along. Fast driver. Average racer.

SpeakWithMichael · 28 July 2019, 11:45 PM

12 laps into the German Grand Prix and this thing is basically spoken for by Mercedes-Benz. Not even worth watching the rest of it, really.

sillo · 28 July 2019, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeakWithMichael

12 laps into the German Grand Prix and this thing is basically spoken for by Mercedes-Benz. Not even worth watching the rest of it, really.

There's still plenty of action going on around the track and we should be in for another Leclerc-Verstappen battle.

sillo · 29 July 2019, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sillo38

There's still plenty of action going on around the track and we should be in for another Leclerc-Verstappen battle.

Well there goes the Leclerc battle, but this is getting wild.

SpeakWithMichael · 29 July 2019, 12:15 AM

That corner before pit lane is like an ice skating rink. And that Hamilton pit stop... Toto will not be happy.

sillo · 29 July 2019, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeakWithMichael

That corner before pit lane is like an ice skating rink.

For real it's been collecting cars the whole race.

edit- and another! Hulk into the same spot.

joeychitwood · 29 July 2019, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeakWithMichael

12 laps into the German Grand Prix and this thing is basically spoken for by Mercedes-Benz. Not even worth watching the rest of it, really.

Verstappen leads with Mercedes close behind. I'm going to keep watching.

SpeakWithMichael · 29 July 2019, 12:55 AM

When Hamilton spun out, the German crowd actually cheered. Their dislike for him tops their Mercedes-Benz. Oh my, and they cheered again for Bottas spinning out. Mercedes' weekend is a bust.

Can you imagine if Vettel gets on the podium after being called Captain Failure by the Italian press?

Come on, Sainz.

sillo · 29 July 2019, 12:55 AM

This is just getting even more insane. A Torro Rosso and Racing Point currently in podium position.

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Originally Posted by SpeakWithMichael

When Hamilton spun out, the German crowd actually cheered. Their dislike for him tops their Mercedes-Benz. Oh my, and they cheered again for Bottas spinning out. Mercedes' weekend is a bust.

They were cheering too when the stewards handed Lewis the 5 second penalty. I think everyone is just burned out on Merc's perfection.

walds11 · 29 July 2019, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeakWithMichael

12 laps into the German Grand Prix and this thing is basically spoken for by Mercedes-Benz. Not even worth watching the rest of it, really.

Do you want to retract that statement?

sillo · 29 July 2019, 12:59 AM

Let's go Vettel, beautiful move on Sainz.

SpeakWithMichael · 29 July 2019, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by walds11

Do you want to retract that statement?

sillo · 29 July 2019, 01:04 AM

P20 -> P2! What a drive Seb!

texasmade · 29 July 2019, 01:21 AM

I’m actually happy for Vettel and Kvyat. Bottas and Gasly need to be really worried right now. Both drive like crap and their seats aren’t confirmed yet.

texasmade · 29 July 2019, 05:27 AM

Both Alfa’s handed 30 second penalties for technical infractions. Lewis is 9th and Kubica scores Williams first point!

JCB42 · 29 July 2019, 06:56 AM

Yeah. Definitely feeling a bit sad for Williams this season. Hopefully they’ll be able to pull themselves out of the rut they are in.

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zama · 29 July 2019, 07:28 AM

Great for Williams, and Kyvat.

Wcdhtwn · 29 July 2019, 10:41 AM

What did we learn from today’s race? With today’s rules and stewards decisions to have a good race it needs to be in the rain. No more races in beautiful weather, I say. :)

Great drive by Seb. I like Hamilton, mostly because when he wins he makes it all about the team, he goes out of his way to say it is far from just him. I like Bottas too, I’d like him to be more competitive against Hamilton. Good to See Torro Rosso get on the podium... and since I recently bought a Honda Accord Touring 2.0 Turbo I’m very happy to see a Honda engine in 1st!

How much is Riccardo regretting the move to Renault? I understand his position and why he left, but the “unproven Honda engine” is crushing decades of Renault experience. If more races can be like today the sport will become watchable again. I watch it anyway, but flip the channels less in good races.

texasmade · 29 July 2019, 01:11 PM

Lance Stroll, the King of wet weather driving!!!

Rock · 29 July 2019, 04:27 PM

Gees, F1 REALLY needed a race like this one.
(and the Verstappen - LeClerc duel in the British GP)

Dr. Robert · 29 July 2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

Gees, F1 REALLY needed a race like this one.
(and the Verstappen - LeClerc duel in the British GP)

Yup......
Go Max!

77T · 29 July 2019, 11:31 PM

Well the folks who feel F1 needed a race like this prolly feel the same about Stage 19&20 of the TDF.

If unpredictable weather is what you like then both had that in abundance.

For me, the nice takeaway from German F1 was Seb coming back from a Q1 mechanical disaster and 20th on the grid to a podium finish.

Wasn’t hoping for Lec, Ham, Bot disasters. Would have rather seen close rain racing and battle of skills.

But running into tire walls is also a product of skill and tire choice, so part of the package.

The 5sec. penalty for pit entry violation was picky but the rules are the rules. Would have been unsafe for Ham to take the car all the way around circuit with half a wing and shedding carbon fiber all around the circuit...

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enjoythemusic · 30 July 2019, 12:26 AM

Great race, just wish there was another bout of rain with 5 laps remaining to make it a truly epic race.

joeychitwood · 30 July 2019, 07:27 AM

Verstappen's crew set a new all-time pit stop record yesterday during the race of 1.88 seconds! It's mind boggling.

sillo · 30 July 2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Verstappen's crew set a new all-time pit stop record yesterday during the race of 1.88 seconds! It's mind boggling.

Crazy. I know refueling was allowed at the time, but I have a Ferrari shirt touting their fast pit stop at 6.9 seconds.

Red Bull has a great video on the evolution of the pit stop that’s worth checking out.

nighthawk77 · 30 July 2019, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sillo38

Crazy. I know refueling was allowed at the time, but I have a Ferrari shirt touting their fast pit stop at 6.9 seconds.

I’d love it if they brought refuelling back. Would allow for much different tactical approaches from teams and might make things a little more interesting....

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ian.thomas · 31 July 2019, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nighthawk77

I’d love it if they brought refuelling back. Would allow for much different tactical approaches from teams and might make things a little more interesting....

Agree.
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Although I'm a big Ferrari fan (and Kimi fan), I was really cheering for Lance to maintain 3rd. It would have been awesome to see Racing Point on the podium; although 4th is still a great result.

sillo · 31 July 2019, 01:03 AM

No refueling for me. Then everything just becomes passing in the pits and nobody is really racing. I don't think that will solve any of the issues we have with the current regulations.

OmegaJJH · 31 July 2019, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sillo38

No refueling for me. Then everything just becomes passing in the pits and nobody is really racing. I don't think that will solve any of the issues we have with the current regulations.

It would stop lift and coast / fuel saving. But agree don’t think it would be a magic fix.

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15 July 2019, 07:17 AM	#572
Zakalwe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Sal Location: London Posts: 2,496	The knock on Vettel whilst he was at RB was that he was a time-trialist: that if you stuck him at the front in a fast car without too much competition he would bang out lap after lap and run away from the pack. But it was also said by a few that he wasn’t so great if you stuck him in traffic and that he wasn’t the best overtaker. A lot of prominent people in the media, including the excellent Brundle, said that was a load of rubbish and because the RB car was so dominant, because Vettel was clearly favoured by the team over the only other guy in equal machinery and because Webber was pretty average, he got to do a lot of time-trialling so it couldn’t be proved definitively if what his critics said about his racing ability was true. His performances since his last championship with RB, including his last season with RB when Ricciardo wiped the floor with him as well as his time with Ferrari show that his critics were right all along. Fast driver. Average racer. __________________ “Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

29 July 2019, 12:59 AM	#582
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	Let's go Vettel, beautiful move on Sainz. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

29 July 2019, 01:04 AM	#584
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	P20 -> P2! What a drive Seb! __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

29 July 2019, 07:28 AM	#588
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,809	Great for Williams, and Kyvat. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

29 July 2019, 04:27 PM	#591
Rock "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rocky Location: Australia Watch: Grail:Bluesy Posts: 17,881	Gees, F1 REALLY needed a race like this one. (and the Verstappen - LeClerc duel in the British GP) __________________ Cellini 4112. Sub 14060M. DJ 16233. Rotherhams 1847 Pocket-watch. Foundation Member of 'Horologists Anonymous' "Hi, I'm Rocky, and I'm a Horologist..."

15 July 2019, 05:37 AM	#571
OmegaJJH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 6,668	A truly great day of sport all round!! Silverstone F1, Wimbledon & Cricket WC. Plus... I started today in Majorca and got home to this !!!!! Agree that Seb is a shadow of the man we saw in a RB. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 July 2019, 11:45 PM	#573
SpeakWithMichael "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Jacksonville, FL Watch: Superocean 44not42 Posts: 1,767	12 laps into the German Grand Prix and this thing is basically spoken for by Mercedes-Benz. Not even worth watching the rest of it, really.

29 July 2019, 12:15 AM	#576
SpeakWithMichael "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Jacksonville, FL Watch: Superocean 44not42 Posts: 1,767	That corner before pit lane is like an ice skating rink. And that Hamilton pit stop... Toto will not be happy.

29 July 2019, 12:55 AM	#579
SpeakWithMichael "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Jacksonville, FL Watch: Superocean 44not42 Posts: 1,767	When Hamilton spun out, the German crowd actually cheered. Their dislike for him tops their Mercedes-Benz. Oh my, and they cheered again for Bottas spinning out. Mercedes' weekend is a bust. Can you imagine if Vettel gets on the podium after being called Captain Failure by the Italian press? Come on, Sainz.

29 July 2019, 01:21 AM	#585
texasmade "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Lone Star State Watch: AP RO 15400, FOIS Posts: 2,392	I’m actually happy for Vettel and Kvyat. Bottas and Gasly need to be really worried right now. Both drive like crap and their seats aren’t confirmed yet.

29 July 2019, 05:27 AM	#586
texasmade "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Lone Star State Watch: AP RO 15400, FOIS Posts: 2,392	Both Alfa’s handed 30 second penalties for technical infractions. Lewis is 9th and Kubica scores Williams first point!

29 July 2019, 06:56 AM	#587
JCB42 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: New Zealand Watch: GS Snowflake Posts: 16	Yeah. Definitely feeling a bit sad for Williams this season. Hopefully they’ll be able to pull themselves out of the rut they are in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 July 2019, 10:41 AM	#589
Wcdhtwn "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Houston Watch: SkyD, SD43, GMT2 Posts: 5,073	What did we learn from today’s race? With today’s rules and stewards decisions to have a good race it needs to be in the rain. No more races in beautiful weather, I say. :) Great drive by Seb. I like Hamilton, mostly because when he wins he makes it all about the team, he goes out of his way to say it is far from just him. I like Bottas too, I’d like him to be more competitive against Hamilton. Good to See Torro Rosso get on the podium... and since I recently bought a Honda Accord Touring 2.0 Turbo I’m very happy to see a Honda engine in 1st! How much is Riccardo regretting the move to Renault? I understand his position and why he left, but the “unproven Honda engine” is crushing decades of Renault experience. If more races can be like today the sport will become watchable again. I watch it anyway, but flip the channels less in good races.

29 July 2019, 01:11 PM	#590
texasmade "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Lone Star State Watch: AP RO 15400, FOIS Posts: 2,392	Lance Stroll, the King of wet weather driving!!!

29 July 2019, 11:31 PM	#593
77T 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,316	Well the folks who feel F1 needed a race like this prolly feel the same about Stage 19&20 of the TDF. If unpredictable weather is what you like then both had that in abundance. For me, the nice takeaway from German F1 was Seb coming back from a Q1 mechanical disaster and 20th on the grid to a podium finish. Wasn’t hoping for Lec, Ham, Bot disasters. Would have rather seen close rain racing and battle of skills. But running into tire walls is also a product of skill and tire choice, so part of the package. The 5sec. penalty for pit entry violation was picky but the rules are the rules. Would have been unsafe for Ham to take the car all the way around circuit with half a wing and shedding carbon fiber all around the circuit... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

30 July 2019, 12:26 AM	#594
enjoythemusic 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 21,605	Great race, just wish there was another bout of rain with 5 laps remaining to make it a truly epic race. __________________ __________________ Love timepieces and want to become a Watchmaker? Rolex has a sensational school. www.RolexWatchmakingTrainingCenter.com/ Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

30 July 2019, 07:27 AM	#595
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	Verstappen's crew set a new all-time pit stop record yesterday during the race of 1.88 seconds! It's mind boggling.

31 July 2019, 01:03 AM	#599
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	No refueling for me. Then everything just becomes passing in the pits and nobody is really racing. I don't think that will solve any of the issues we have with the current regulations. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

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