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[walds11]

Okay, Max is goneeeeeeee….LOL!

[walds11]

Whoops. Please delete.

[Jackie Daytona]

Well… I guess that about wraps up this season.

[Nice marmot]

Originally Posted by Jackie Daytona

Well… I guess that about wraps up this season.

Man I hope not, but I’m definitely not sensing a competitive season.

[INC]

Perhaps most disappointingly, if you ignore Max racing in another dimension, the racing was still incredibly boring. Nothing interesting just happened. It was like all the cars followed each other like the cars of a freight train on a railway track.

[enjoythemusic]

Must feel lonely being Max. Other than easily lapping a few cars, it must feel kinda solitary out there.


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[golftime]

Long time F1 fan but after watching Bahrain, the season is over. New year, but nothing has changed. Max wins. Ferrari and MB a distant second or third or even worse. Little passing with the qualifying results being the spoiler alert for the race.

Unfortunately F1 seems to have figured out how to make what is arguably the pinnacle of auto racing, certainly the most expensive, also the most boring racing there is.

[joli160]

Master class by VER.
Leaving the rest of the field including his team mate with the same car standing in the dust. Impressive

[INC]

Originally Posted by golftime

Unfortunately F1 seems to have figured out how to make what is arguably the pinnacle of auto racing, certainly the most expensive, also the most boring racing there is.

Honestly, I don't think anyone thought Max would become such a dominator. I think if he wasn't on the track, there could be quite interesting races. However this is not the FIA's fault, but our luck/misfortune to be able to see such a talented driver live.

Maximum F1==Max@F1.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by golftime

Long time F1 fan but after watching Bahrain, the season is over. New year, but nothing has changed. Max wins. Ferrari and MB a distant second or third or even worse. Little passing with the qualifying results being the spoiler alert for the race.

Unfortunately F1 seems to have figured out how to make what is arguably the pinnacle of auto racing, certainly the most expensive, also the most boring racing there is.

This is so true.

I’ve been a huge F1 fan my entire life not missing a single race. After the Abu Dhabi debacle it totally turned me off.

Fast forward to this year… fresh season, fresh start. So disappointing. Probably the first and last race of 2024 for me.

Roll on 2025 for a more competitive field.


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[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by golftime

Unfortunately F1 seems to have figured out how to make what is arguably the pinnacle of auto racing, certainly the most expensive, also the most boring racing there is.

So true.
I have been an F1 'watcher' since the 60's.
I shan't be watching any more of the, total mind numbingly boring processions, presented as 'races'.

The bottom kissing, sycophancy of some of the presenters makes me heave.

As for the, 'special guests' that know nothing about the sport, but are there solely for their personal promotion....well, their vapid opinions are the icing on the very sickly cake, that is modern F1.

It's a shame because there is so much more to top class motor sport than the dross we are being fed.

[RRGHOST1]

I dont like Max,without doubt a great driver, and after the 2021 Abu Dhabi debacle, the end of F1.

[enjoythemusic]

<sarc> Maybe you guys need to discover the wonderful and exciting F1 Fantasy Game. There's so much more to F1 than the drivers and races.

That's right, there's an app ready for you
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TBH, am truly glad to have enjoyed F1 during the glorious years long ago. It really was a wonderful sport back then. Let us all raise a glass to F1's early days and the men / women who truly risked their lives making the F1 sport challenging and a true triumph of man and raw machine.

[1st amg]

Yes, Max will no doubt win the campaign for 2024...the question is "how dominant". After this first race, the gap seemed more than last years first race win. The only exciting part of this race was the other two RB driver of Ricciardo and Tsunoda and their arguing of team orders. It even carried into the after race interviews. Fun drama.....and fun fact for me, I have never ever cheered for Hamilton. Ever. This year, as a Ferrari fan first and foremost, I caught myself quietly cheering on Hamilton. I guess its never to late to fall in love!! LOL

[codecow]

I watched FP1, FP2, and quali. By the time I woke up for the race Max was already dominating it. I didn’t bother watching the rest live. Instead I went for the 30 minute extended highlights, which was like watching paint dry.

I don’t mind if Max wins, but ideally the margin is A LOT smaller. As is, it’s kind of ridiculous.

[aiif]

Yea i agree with this

[JP.]

They have to start doing the same what they did in other series. The winning car gets 100 kg extra weight for the next race (or whatever).

However there have been some old seasons when one team was super dominant. Like McLaren 1988 and 1989 (but then we had the Senna/Prost rivalry) and then in 1992 Mansell was driving the superior Williams... also 1993 Prost, etc... later in Mercedes we had the Hamilton/Rosberg rivalry. When Hakkinen quit F1 Schumacher had no rivals and Schumi just cruised to the championships in the early 2000's with that superior Ferrari. Raikkonen and Alonso were pretty much the only threats.

And in the old days there was always the reliability factor. For example in early turbo days fastest Turbo Renaults barely finished one race per season... Piquet in 1984 was super fast but his cars didn't last. Raikkonen in the early 2000's drove very fast but unreliable McLaren's. K.Rosberg and Mansell's 1985 Williams was probably the best car but it had tons of DNF's etc. etc.

As unfair as those engine failures sometimes were at least they added an element of surprise.

Now even that is gone.

All kudos to Max Verstappen. He's a great driver and deserves all his wins. But as a sport F1 has to change fast. Otherwise the interest will fade.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Yes, Max will no doubt win the campaign for 2024...the question is "how dominant". After this first race, the gap seemed more than last years first race win. The only exciting part of this race was the other two RB driver of Ricciardo and Tsunoda and their arguing of team orders. It even carried into the after race interviews. Fun drama.....and fun fact for me, I have never ever cheered for Hamilton. Ever. This year, as a Ferrari fan first and foremost, I caught myself quietly cheering on Hamilton. I guess its never to late to fall in love!! LOL

Funny, I did the exact opposite and I too am a Ferrari fan. I cheered for Carlos to beat Charles (check) and for Russell to beat Ham (check). That will be my mo for the rest of the season. That and watching the silly driver swap out of the points for no reason at RB. Like why? They were not going to get in the points or even close so why bother?

[77T]

I was off by one week…

Jadedness ensued on opening week

Since we have no races this Sunday, I’d recommend binge watching “Brawn GP” on your streamer of choice.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt22297946/

Or watch the replays of the F3 races.

I understand disappointments - just go watch some racing you like. Let Cheerfulness break through!


On BOP suggestions for F1 - hell no!


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[joli160]

I never heard our UK friends complain when HAM was the leader of the pack for so many seasons which was equally boring

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by 77T

I was off by one week…

Jadedness ensued on opening week

Since we have no races this Sunday, I’d recommend binge watching “Brawn GP” on your streamer of choice.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt22297946/

Or watch the replays of the F3 races.

I understand disappointments - just go watch some racing you like. Let Cheerfulness break through!


On BOP suggestions for F1 - hell no!


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Completely agree Paul. If you’re a long time F1 fan you sat through the Schumacher/Ferrari domination, Vettel/ Red Bull domination, Hamilton/Mercedes dominance and now the Max/RBR era. What made you stay before, but now are tapping out?

Everyone needs to chill a bit. I see this first race a bit like I see the race at Barcelona - boring because it’s a track that’s entirely too familiar to the teams. They ran 6 days in Bahrain including preseason testing. It’s easier for teams with a car with narrow set up windows to dial in a car with that much running. Factor in the following as well:

1. One of the two Ferraris suffered brake issues all race long.
2. Mercedes says there were down .5 sec per lap due to cooling issues
3. No teams even used the medium compound so Jeddah will see an introduction of 3 possible compounds and not 2.
4. Less running next week will expose those teams with a much narrow optimal operating window for car set up.

I’m sure other teams have closed the gap to Red Bull, but Max is somewhat of a machine and it will be tough to beat him but the probability of him repeating 2023 are slim. Factor in he’s finished in 42 straight races, again, the odds of maintaining that reliability factor is remote.

[offrdmania]

After watching the first boring F1 race of the season, I cant wait for the first race of the Indycar season to come. There is sure to be action, passing, drama and everything a race fan yearns for in a race. Exactly what F1 is lacking.

[77T]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

After watching the first boring F1 race of the season, I cant wait for the first race of the Indycar season to come. There is sure to be action, passing, drama and everything a race fan yearns for in a race. Exactly what F1 is lacking.

Yes, yes…we know…do you recall post #13?

NASCAR without fenders…

Let’s make a deal…you start an INDYCAR thread and I promise I won’t come there to pound Roger into the ground…he’s a hall of famer so I like him but these are two diametrically opposed series. Outside of neither having fenders, the similarities end there.

BTW, we still support St. Pete - are you going?


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[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by joli160

I never heard our UK friends complain when HAM was the leader of the pack for so many seasons which was equally boring

Even during the Vettel / Hamilton dominance there were people there to at least keep them honest.


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[enjoythemusic]

i still remember when MS was having the perfect season and Montoya punted MS' car in Monaco's tunnel under safety car conditions. Or when Senna didn't have to win the race to earn the Driver's Championship, he just needed to...... or when pushing the car truly meant the engine could blow, brakes failed. F1 started with raw mechanical ''''''Ferraris'''''''', now they're all '''''''Lexus Xbox'''''.

I do want to congratulate the Formula 1 aerodynamicists and computer coders. It's pretty much their game to lose.

[golftime]

Can't deny that part of my disappointment with F1 is probably because I am not a Max fan. He's a fantastic driver but I am not fond of the whining. However it's really more than that. The racing just seems boring. I realize they ended refueling during pit stops a few years ago for safety reasons, which I understand, but fuel strategy did make the races more interesting and were an additional variable which often affected results.

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by joli160

I never heard our UK friends complain when HAM was the leader of the pack for so many seasons which was equally boring

Maybe because HAM and his team didn’t steal his first championship from his rivals?


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[Jackie Daytona]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

<sarc> Maybe you guys need to discover the wonderful and exciting F1 Fantasy Game. There's so much more to F1 than the drivers and races.

That's right, there's an app ready for you
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TBH, am truly glad to have enjoyed F1 during the glorious years long ago. It really was a wonderful sport back then. Let us all raise a glass to F1's early days and the men / women who truly risked their lives making the F1 sport challenging and a true triumph of man and raw machine.

Absolutely the same. Weirdly I think back often the 90s and early 2000s F1 era. What a time it was…. Different sport completely than today.

However funny enough I don’t think I could ever give F1 up either for sort of the nostalgia of that era and the love of the sport it brought on.

[Doc Savage]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Even during the Vettel / Hamilton dominance there were people there to at least keep them honest.

It shows you how much better Max is than everyone else. People dump on Sergio for not keeping up in a similar car, but the other side of that argument is that Sergio drives at the same level of Carlos, Charles, Hamilton, Russell, and Alonzo. Max is in a different league.

The difference between Max and the others is far more due to Max than it is the Red Bull car. He avoids driving mistakes at a much higher rate than the others. He drives the more efficient racing line every lap, and he avoids oversteer most of the time. He simply has better racing judgement.

[Rock]

What we need is a new set of rules.
Every race, every driver drives a different car.
No "Car & Driver Teams" anymore - just 20 cars and 20 drivers.