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Old 17 March 2024, 10:32 AM   #6061
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Hmmm... I remember a few years ago people said that about Lewis, that he was pure talent and the car had very little to do with it. Now he struggles to even beat his teammate. I'm not saying you're wrong. Max may very well be running on pure talent. It's just very interesting how things change over the years. Max certainly does things with his car that Perez could never dream of doing.
Sorry for the delay - I was traveling this week.

Most of the years Lewis was in the hunt for championships, it was far more competitive with other teams (and sometimes his own teammate). The car was a part of it, and Lewis was able to make the most of it. I'm not in the Mercedes with him, but it seems like he's a less aggressive driver than before. I think he's lost a step, and George Russell's performance seems to confirm that.
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Old 17 March 2024, 11:07 AM   #6062
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You can clearly see that he started the race from outside of his box but there was no penalty.

World championships have been lost based on these dumb decisions?
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Usually I am snatching up tickets for the F1 race in Canada or the USA, but this year as I have seen the first two races…it seems I am not so excited or keen on doing so. I feel the season is already decided after two races.


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Old 18 March 2024, 12:41 AM   #6064
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I feel the season is already decided after two races.
Imho 2024 is just a transitional year, no need to really care much about it. Next year may be far more interesting, plus there's plenty of non-F1 racing that's really great. Check YouTube as there are lots of live / on-demand streamed races for free to see and enjoy, especially the competitive racing within the Middle East. IMSA is also fun to watch imho.

Let us just hope 2025 is far more competitive for all teams and F1 gets their live commentators sorted.
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Old 18 March 2024, 02:27 AM   #6065
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Imho 2024 is just a transitional year, no need to really care much about it. Next year may be far more interesting, plus there's plenty of non-F1 racing that's really great. Check YouTube as there are lots of live / on-demand streamed races for free to see and enjoy, especially the competitive racing within the Middle East. IMSA is also fun to watch imho.

Let us just hope 2025 is far more competitive for all teams and F1 gets their live commentators sorted.

I agree with this statement for sure. Glad I am not the only one!


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When Red Bull ditches the Honda and start using the Ford engine their hegemony ends. Just one more season
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Usually I am snatching up tickets for the F1 race in Canada or the USA, but this year as I have seen the first two races…it seems I am not so excited or keen on doing so. I feel the season is already decided after two races.


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Me too. Taking a pass this year.
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When Red Bull ditches the Honda and start using the Ford engine their hegemony ends. Just one more season
Its not a ford engine.
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Yes, I'm already underwhelmed. I don't think I'll be genuinely excited until the new engine rules take effect in '26 & Audi comes on the scene. I'd like to go to Interlagos, Spielberg or Mexico City. I couldn't care less about MIA, AUS or LAS.
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Jake... imho given the choice, Interlagos. Love Brazil! Be sure to add a week or two to expore.
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Its not a ford engine.

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Have been giving this thought, and imho we need to be fair to the show / event promoters. We need to realize that the brief F1 race itself is just a very small part of these events nowadays. Welcome to modern times. There are many sponsored activities from big brands, maybe some live music, and perhaps the 55-year-old Tiesto DJ'ing for the mid-lifers (EDM is sooo 2010), plus whatever other activities and showcases the event promoter is able to sell exhibition / lot space to.

So don't attend for the racing, heck no! You attend F1 races nowadays to financially support Liberty Media, the event, and show promoters. Think of the actual F1 race as merely a bonus, yet remember there is so much more to see and do. Plus once you're in Brazil, Vegas, the Middle East, etc, it's great that as a tourist you're spending and supporting their economy and way of life.

So attend F1 races, please do, just be realistic about the gestalt of the overall event itself, the plethora of sponsors, and the location's activities / sightseeing.
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Usually I am snatching up tickets for the F1 race in Canada or the USA, but this year as I have seen the first two races…it seems I am not so excited or keen on doing so. I feel the season is already decided after two races.
I dunno...Red Bull seems like it might implode this season. That would be something to see.
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I dunno...Red Bull seems like it might implode this season. That would be something to see.
Bill, that would ignite a fire in my belly for sure. Fingers crossed, there seem to be a lot of dark clouds hovering over the team and management.
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The Official Formula One Thread!

Prime time racing tomorrow...
F3 & F2 Sprint races begin at 8:15p & 11:15p respectively in US ET TZ on ESPN+...

No chassis dominance - pure driver & team set-up skills. What a concept!

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No chassis dominance - pure driver & team set-up skills. What a concept!
So SCCA Pro racing

Huge thx Paul for being understanding about my 'sideways humor'.

The great thing in 2024 is, there are soooo many exceptional race leagues / races globally freely streamed online, really makes me smile. Good to see tracks stepping up their efforts on having multi-cameras/mics so all events can easily be streamed live on YouTube. Simply use the track/organization supporting graphics and add good quality commentation and they're golden

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So much racing, so little time! I've got F1 & MotoGP (incl. Moto2, as I'm a die-hard Triumph fan), MotoAmerica & IndyCar! I can't even get into the Rolex Cups or SCCA or WEC!
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Don’t forget the most competitive racing this weekend.

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Always enjoy a good Saturday night race.

Bit unlucky for Max, but I’m glad that right rear brake exploded before he got to the pit crew.

Interesting result for Alonso. I thought the move was a little naughty but not enough for a significant penalty.

Seeing Sainz bandaged up and moving gingerly while dominating an F1 race is incredible. What a start to the season for him.
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MotoGP in 2024 has been spectacular!! Put Marc Marquez on a Ducati, mix in a 19 year old rookie on a KTM customer bike, and you have instant fireworks for Saturday sprint races and Sunday main events!

Very entertaining race today down under. Superman job by Sainz just 2 weeks after a surgery.... still the only driver in the past two years to beat the Red Bulls. Ferrari will never admit it, because it's an exercise in marketing, but getting rid of Carlos for Lewis is a huge mistake.

Alonso was a bit naughty on his defense, but that's just some old school cunning. If George doesn't get caught by surprise, he doesn't go through the gravel and hit the wall. In fact, I think if George just straight lines the corner and doesn't have a shunt, there is no penalty on Alonso.

Yuki is definitely auditioning for Red Bull or anyone else next year. Lot of seats up for grabs but right now.... Sainz will probably end up in the Red Bull along side Max or at Mercedes.
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WORLD SUPERBIKES.

And my Thruxton R is running like a watch,

Excellent to hear! A guy in my weekend MENSA meeting ( ... motorcycle hoon cohorts) has the Thruxton RS. It's a bit chunky for the low-speed twisties & a bit of a pain to drag knee, but it sounds lovely.
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Always enjoy a good Saturday night race.

Bit unlucky for Max, but I’m glad that right rear brake exploded before he got to the pit crew.

Interesting result for Alonso. I thought the move was a little naughty but not enough for a significant penalty.

Seeing Sainz bandaged up and moving gingerly while dominating an F1 race is incredible. What a start to the season for him.
Unlucky for Max, sure, but I don't think any can deny that watching a race where Max wasn't immediately in the lead & go onto win is a good race to watch. Even when Lewis was winning, the playing field seemed more even. The ALO/RUS in"che"dent (ahem, Charles ) seemed oddly reminiscent of what happened last year in Singapore... RUS pushing the car & things get wonky at the worst possible time... I predict HAM having a very disappointing final season with MBZ, then 4 eighth-champtionship-less years with FER before calling it quits.
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MotoGP in 2024 has been spectacular!! Put Marc Marquez on a Ducati, mix in a 19 year old rookie on a KTM customer bike, and you have instant fireworks for Saturday sprint races and Sunday main events!

Very entertaining race today down under. Superman job by Sainz just 2 weeks after a surgery.... still the only driver in the past two years to beat the Red Bulls. Ferrari will never admit it, because it's an exercise in marketing, but getting rid of Carlos for Lewis is a huge mistake.

Alonso was a bit naughty on his defense, but that's just some old school cunning. If George doesn't get caught by surprise, he doesn't go through the gravel and hit the wall. In fact, I think if George just straight lines the corner and doesn't have a shunt, there is no penalty on Alonso.

Yuki is definitely auditioning for Red Bull or anyone else next year. Lot of seats up for grabs but right now.... Sainz will probably end up in the Red Bull along side Max or at Mercedes.
I totally agree: HAM for SAI at FER seems wrong. Truthfully, I think SAI is a better suit for FER than LEC. Sending LEC elsewhere for HAM would make more sense to me, but that's not how contracts work...

ALO has got two decades+ of experience over RUS. RUS is in an underperforming car against a chess master. RUS also seems to be able to push his car to 99% then it bites him on the butt.

You really think TSO has got what it takes to sit with VER? I don't. He's got some moments of brilliance, but is largely unpredictable. I think he's had his seat for so long because of Honda's relationship with RBR... They really want a Japanese driver in one of their cars. Same thing with the Sauber team (whatever they're called this season)... I'd imagine that without ZHO, the big money Chinese sponsors wouldn't care about F1.

I'm so happy to see MM93 back on a bike at the pointy end of the field & not battling a bucking bronco. MotoGP is quickly becomes the Ducati Cup, though. A pair a Yamahas & four Hondas... Everyone else on today's or yesterday's Ducatis...
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The stewards' report said Alonso lifted off the accelerator just over 100m earlier than he ever had before into that corner during the race.
The stewards said: "He also braked very slightly at a point that he did not usually brake (although the amount of brake was so slight that it was not the main reason for his car slowing) and he downshifted at a point he never usually downshifted.
"He then upshifted again, and accelerated to the corner before lifting again to make the corner. Alonso explained that while his plan was to slow earlier, he got it slightly wrong and had to take extra steps to get back up to speed.
"Nonetheless, this manoeuvre created a considerable and unusual closing speed between the cars."
The move was effectively what is known in F1 as a "brake test" and is considered an unacceptable form of racing by most drivers.


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Excellent to hear! A guy in my weekend MENSA meeting ( ... motorcycle hoon cohorts) has the Thruxton RS. It's a bit chunky for the low-speed twisties & a bit of a pain to drag knee, but it sounds lovely.
Unlucky for Max, sure, but I don't think any can deny that watching a race where Max wasn't immediately in the lead & go onto win is a good race to watch. Even when Lewis was winning, the playing field seemed more even. The ALO/RUS in"che"dent (ahem, Charles ) seemed oddly reminiscent of what happened last year in Singapore... RUS pushing the car & things get wonky at the worst possible time... I predict HAM having a very disappointing final season with MBZ, then 4 eighth-champtionship-less years with FER before calling it quits.
I totally agree: HAM for SAI at FER seems wrong. Truthfully, I think SAI is a better suit for FER than LEC. Sending LEC elsewhere for HAM would make more sense to me, but that's not how contracts work...

ALO has got two decades+ of experience over RUS. RUS is in an underperforming car against a chess master. RUS also seems to be able to push his car to 99% then it bites him on the butt.

You really think TSO has got what it takes to sit with VER? I don't. He's got some moments of brilliance, but is largely unpredictable. I think he's had his seat for so long because of Honda's relationship with RBR... They really want a Japanese driver in one of their cars. Same thing with the Sauber team (whatever they're called this season)... I'd imagine that without ZHO, the big money Chinese sponsors wouldn't care about F1.

I'm so happy to see MM93 back on a bike at the pointy end of the field & not battling a bucking bronco. MotoGP is quickly becomes the Ducati Cup, though. A pair a Yamahas & four Hondas... Everyone else on today's or yesterday's Ducatis...
I don't think anyone on the grid could sit along side Max in the same car and not get completely destroyed, but what are the options? It looks like RIC is done, and I'm a huge Dani RIC fan. Yuki has out qualified and raced him thus far.

Today was the day Perez should have got the win with Max's mechanical DNF, but he was 30 seconds adrift from Carlos. Yuki if fast, but prone to mistakes and complete mental outbursts. Carlos would be the obvious choice as he was once Max's teammate at Toro Rosso, but with time and experience, Max now is a complete assassin at this stage of his career and dare I say, he still hasn't hit his ceiling.
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I don't think anyone on the grid could sit along side Max in the same car and not get completely destroyed, but what are the options? It looks like RIC is done, and I'm a huge Dani RIC fan. Yuki has out qualified and raced him thus far.

Today was the day Perez should have got the win with Max's mechanical DNF, but he was 30 seconds adrift from Carlos. Yuki if fast, but prone to mistakes and complete mental outbursts. Carlos would be the obvious choice as he was once Max's teammate at Toro Rosso, but with time and experience, Max now is a complete assassin at this stage of his career and dare I say, he still hasn't hit his ceiling.
I completely agree. I think RBR is looking for someone to be 10% better than PER currently is, someone to ensure a RBR 1-2 throughout the entire year. TSU can't do that. RIC can't do that. SAI could, I think. I also agree that RIC is done before the end of the '25 season (if he gets swapped out for a reserve driver). This was his moment to show RBR that he still has got what it takes & he simply hasn't. Whether it's the car or him or a combination thereof, with RBR, there are rarely third chances... it's put-up-or-shut-up time for RIC. And yes, VER still has 2-5 championships left in him.
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In my opinion, this situation could not have led to an accident under normal circumstances. If RUS doesn't do anything, then nothing happens, since ALO was so far ahead of him that he didn't really need to hit the brakes.

To be honest, even if it is true, that ALO played a very gentle chicken game with RUS, but the latter pilot was the one who fell asleep completely and when he woke up, he yanked the steering wheel and so screamed like a baby.

So in my opinion, ALO was right, this action was NOT dangerous, therefore it was not foreseeable that it would lead there.

That is why I do not agree with the decision, because in my opinion, in order to be classified as guilty, it is necessary to prove that he could foresee that his actions could lead to an accident. Because if it doesn't work out, no one can't blame him. Accordingly, I do not agree that any pilot should be punished because he dares to act differently than before. And especially not because I don't think any pilot could imagine in such a situation that any other F1 driver would treat such a simple situation like a lame chicken.

Anyway, even though VER was quickly dropped out, it was a very boring race. What I saw sas, that the difference between the pilots/cars is a way too big. Even the Ferraris and McLarens couldn't compete with each other. It's just a choo-choo train, that's all which was left of this magnificent circus, thanks to the cost cap and uniformization.

In my opinion, if FLYONSO also loses interest because these few pranks won't be acceptable, then this will be the most boring championship ever.
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Slowing an opponent who is faster on corner entry to slow their launch out of said corner, is a tried and true technique used by both professional drivers as well as amateur racers for as long as racing has existed.

One of the most used terms in racing is "situational awareness". Some today may call it "bandwidth" or the ability to absorb incredible amounts of information and still have excess mental capacity. One of the most basic categories of that information is "know who you are racing against" and racing against Alonso is like racing a chess master - you must expect anything. That should have been the first thing on George's mind.

If anyone remembers the changing of the guard in 2005 at Imola, this is a classic example of slowing your opponent, whether it's on corner entry or in general to not catch back markers. The roles were reversed in 2006 when Schumacher was the one in front and Alonso chasing. Regardless, glorious sounds of the V10 always give me goosebumps.

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Im no russell fan but the fact that alonso lifted off and braked 100m before he had done on every previous lap was ‘interesting’

In his post race interviews he stated that he was only concentrating in front and doign qually laps (a lie), and then all of a sudden came over the radio stating he had throttle issues (another lie)….

…he looked rather sheepish afterwards so clearly knew what hed done.

I get that drivers have to attack and defend, change lines and speeds to do both but i think in this case the stewards got it right…..it was a LARGE deviation from is normal driving, one which Russell couldnt expect, nor should he have to expect in a race situation.

If it was a small lift off 10m before the corner then that would be normal, but if you watch the onboard video it was almost half way along the straight from the previous corner

I suspect the stewards were thinking this penalty is along the lines of moving under braking etc.

Alonsos a tricky charcter and has often used tactics to his advantage, we love him for that but think he overstepped the mark this time and was rightfully penalised imho
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In my opinion, if FLYONSO also loses interest because these few pranks won't be acceptable, then this will be the most boring championship ever.
His data and telemetry caught him out. That story was an attempt to cover what I believe he wanted to do - send the message to RUS. But an abrupt reduction in speed 100m before the braking zone was at very least potentially dangerous.

When a driver tries to pull the wool over your eyes, but his fingerprints are all over the data, one actually DOES know what is going on...

The message was received, ALO is not leaving, and he has accepted the penalty graciously...




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