TRF ~ Coffee Lovers Thread!

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

I’ve got an E8, had it for a few years. Literally couldn’t live without it.

We have incredibly hard water where I live so I reckon I’ve spent more in consumables than the actual machine!!!!

I just use Lavazza beans bought from Amazon for convenience because we go through so much.
My wife hits the flat white button whereas I make a black coffee and then pump in a small portion of milk.

P.S.
I have the black & chrome version. Didn’t know it came in white.


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What setting do you use for the coffee if you don’t mind me asking. Where is your grinder dial? What size pour of coffee? I have mine set at the highest 8oz. Lastly what strength setting? I am two beans short of full strength.

Yeah when I ordered they had chrome, black and white. It was a coin flip between black or white. We went white.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

What setting do you use for the coffee if you don’t mind me asking. Where is your grinder dial? What size pour of coffee? I have mine set at the highest 8oz. Lastly what strength setting? I am two beans short of full strength.

Yeah when I ordered they had chrome, black and white. It was a coin flip between black or white. We went white.

I would say that I’ve backed off from chasing the ‘perfect cup’ due to a nervousness around the amount of caffeine I consume.

Therefore I’ve limited myself to two (sometimes three) coffees per day. A sizeable reduction. Remember each Jura shot has >70 beans in it!

I make a black coffee then add a portion of hot milk.

Strength 4/8 on the scale. (A pretty strong coffee)
Volume 215ml (to fill my mug)
Milk 20 seconds (which really isn’t a lot)
Grind 5/6 (towards coarse - see pic)



I think it’s trial and error. I’ve gone for pursuit of convenience for my wife and I with all of this working from home.

Please let me know how you get on


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[OmegaJJH]

I’ll also add:

Again, due to the volume off coffee we go through as a household I just stick to Lavazza beans. I buy these 6kg at a time.

Are they the best? Of course not. Are they exceptional value for money? YES.
Do they give me a kick up the bum in the morning? YES.



The equivalent Illy pack is £22!! Almost 3 times the price. Certainly not 3 times as tasty.

Probably sacrilege for others on this forum but specialist roasters in the UK would probably bankrupt me

Works for us.


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[bp1000]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

I’ll also add:

Again, due to the volume off coffee we go through as a household I just stick to Lavazza beans. I buy these 6kg at a time.

Are they the best? Of course not. Are they exceptional value for money? YES.
Do they give me a kick up the bum in the morning? YES.



The equivalent Illy pack is £22!! Almost 3 times the price. Certainly not 3 times as tasty.

Probably sacrilege for others on this forum but specialist roasters in the UK would probably bankrupt me

Works for us.


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Consider coffee masters exclusive master blend

Slightly more expensive for 1kg but quite a bit nicer (subjective I know) they tend to fresh / recently roasted etc

I use these which give a really balanced flavour, smack bang in between a floral citrus / acidity and a robust deep chocolaty flavour

Great for the price

Otherwise I go to a local roaster who doesn’t even sell online. An old dude that has done it for 30 years or so. Travels to all these countries himself and sources his beans.

Think he’s some sort of English aristocrat who’s got a little hobby and he sells to locals.

I put this stuff through a sage barista pro. Nothing too special but it’s a great compromise for the wife who hasn’t got the patience to allow it to heat up and mess around with grind settings etc

Always get a great consistency with the machine. Around 17g In, but I push more water through the medium roast beans, around 38g out in 27sec. Lovely.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by bp1000

Consider coffee masters exclusive master blend

Slightly more expensive for 1kg but quite a bit nicer (subjective I know) they tend to fresh / recently roasted etc

I use these which give a really balanced flavour, smack bang in between a floral citrus / acidity and a robust deep chocolaty flavour

Great for the price

Thanks for the heads up! I’ll absolutely take a look

I’m happy to pay more as long as it’s perceived good value. Illy just looks overpriced.
(£52 vs £132 for 6kg when both are mass produced)

Can’t beat Prime delivery for convenience though when you run out on a weekend!


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[Goin2drt]

@omegajjh. Thanks for that. It helped to move the strength to 4. I was only off by one click on the grind. I don’t know how old the roast is from Black Rifle Coffee but I bet it isn’t that good. I did buy a bag from a local roaster to try next. We shall see if that makes a difference.

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

@omegajjh. Thanks for that. It helped to move the strength to 4. I was only off by one click on the grind. I don’t know how old the roast is from Black Rifle Coffee but I bet it isn’t that good. I did buy a bag from a local roaster to try next. We shall see if that makes a difference.

Excellent. Glad to have helped.

I don’t know if it’s a Jura thing or just a coffee thing but you’ll fly through a 250g bag in no time.

Enjoy ☕️


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[uscmatt99]

Hello coffee TRF friends! Not sure if I've mentioned them before, but Caffe Lusso is my favorite roaster for mail ordering. I've been buying from them for years. They have a pretty slick system where you place the order online, and they roast the beans same day and ship them out via USPS. They usually arrive 2-4 days later, the perfect time to crack open a bag. Pretty good single origin beans, excellent Lionshare blend for espresso, and Gran Miscela Carmo if you like cappuccinos and lattes. For mochas, Ethiopia Sidama is my favorite.

[Goin2drt]

I’ll have to give them a try.

[Apflorio1]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

Hello coffee TRF friends! Not sure if I've mentioned them before, but Caffe Lusso is my favorite roaster for mail ordering. I've been buying from them for years. They have a pretty slick system where you place the order online, and they roast the beans same day and ship them out via USPS. They usually arrive 2-4 days later, the perfect time to crack open a bag. Pretty good single origin beans, excellent Lionshare blend for espresso, and Gran Miscela Carmo if you like cappuccinos and lattes. For mochas, Ethiopia Sidama is my favorite.

I have to agree they are one of my favorites as well. A few weeks back I was able to get in on a test blend of their GMC called “Roma”. It had a higher robusta content which I really enjoyed. Not sure if they will be offering it regularly but it’s worth a try if you can get it.


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[JasoninDenver]

I just upgraded to the Breville Barista Pro (Sage) from a Nespresso and am now educating myself on the finer points.

It already feels like a phD program.

So far, I have figured out that we like a medium to medium dark roast. I am surprised to find it produces a much more caffeinated drink (by far) than the Nespresso. Two double caps had my buzzing like a saw.

I found a local roaster that does a half decaf italian style roast I will be trying tomorrow morning.

I am having a bit of a challenge getting the grind right on a consistent basis. I suspect I may need to tweak the grinder setting a bit. Do any of you Breville owners here have any experience with this?

[Hard_Six]

Happy Saturday TRF friends!!




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[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

I just upgraded to the Breville Barista Pro (Sage) from a Nespresso and am now educating myself on the finer points.

It already feels like a phD program.

So far, I have figured out that we like a medium to medium dark roast. I am surprised to find it produces a much more caffeinated drink (by far) than the Nespresso. Two double caps had my buzzing like a saw.

I found a local roaster that does a half decaf italian style roast I will be trying tomorrow morning.

I am having a bit of a challenge getting the grind right on a consistent basis. I suspect I may need to tweak the grinder setting a bit. Do any of you Breville owners here have any experience with this?

So have you got it all sorted out? I looked up your machine to see how it works, and it’s a bit different as the grinder is integrated, and settings are time based rather than weight based. My formula when I get new beans is to grind 17 grams to make a double shot. The goal is to get the shot to take 25 seconds to make 30 grams of coffee. Then tweak from there. Espresso is all about the size of the ground particles, the amount of time the water is interacting with the grounds, and the water temperature. The pressure is typically fixed. There is also the “pre-infusion” time to play around with where the hot water wets the puck without passing through it. I like to pre-infuse until the first drop comes out, then start the shot at full pressure.

First things first would be getting a scale that measures to tenths of a gram. On your machine, you’d need to dial in the grind time to generate around 17 grams consistently. So weight your portafilter before and after grinding the beans, take the difference. Then tamp and set up your shot. Put the cup on the scale and take it. Run the shot, and see how much is coming out in around 25 seconds. If it runs fast, it’s sour. If it runs slow, it’s bitter. Then go back and adjust the grind setting (1-30) to get the ideal time of around 25 seconds.

If you run into trouble it’s likely the repeatability of the grind that is the issue. You can get a separate grinder that allows finer control. My wife and I really like Baratza, as they have models that have much finer adjustment and will distribute an exact weight of grounds. Quick to dial in and consistent from shot to shot. In the end I got a Kafatek which is amazing, but is quite the coffee investment monetarily.

One last thing to keep in mind is the age of the beans. Ideally I use beans from 4-14 days after they’ve been roasted. As beans age, the grind needs to be finer to get the same flow rate of the espresso. If you get old grocery store beans, prepare to grind it really fine to get a decent cup.

Good luck

[uscmatt99]

On another note, we had a small loss in the family, the coffee brewer died after 5 years or so of service. We got a new one from Oxo that can take Kalita wave filters to make single servings. Then I looked up Kalita and now I want to do pour overs. Anybody have a favorite pour over kettle? Debating getting a stove top version or electric version. Then I’ll just get the Wave since we’ll need to stock the filters anyway.

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

On another note, we had a small loss in the family, the coffee brewer died after 5 years or so of service. We got a new one from Oxo that can take Kalita wave filters to make single servings. Then I looked up Kalita and now I want to do pour overs. Anybody have a favorite pour over kettle? Debating getting a stove top version or electric version. Then I’ll just get the Wave since we’ll need to stock the filters anyway.

If you really want to get the best from coffee I suggest v60 brewer. It has a large hole and you have to master the skill of pouring.

If go down this road you must commit but you will be greatly rewarded.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

On another note, we had a small loss in the family, the coffee brewer died after 5 years or so of service. We got a new one from Oxo that can take Kalita wave filters to make single servings. Then I looked up Kalita and now I want to do pour overs. Anybody have a favorite pour over kettle? Debating getting a stove top version or electric version. Then I’ll just get the Wave since we’ll need to stock the filters anyway.

I have a nice looking chrome kettle I ordered from the internet a long time ago.. the key is it has a very narrow spout for precision pouring...

The more recently I picked up a similar style kettle (but all black), but it's electric... It's a Bodum, got it from Walmart... same thing, very narrow spout.

I vastly prefer the electric kettle now.

[uscmatt99]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

I have a nice looking chrome kettle I ordered from the internet a long time ago.. the key is it has a very narrow spout for precision pouring...

The more recently I picked up a similar style kettle (but all black), but it's electric... It's a Bodum, got it from Walmart... same thing, very narrow spout.

I vastly prefer the electric kettle now.

Alright I’m sold on electric. I’ll probably start with the Kalita, may give the V60 a go as well.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

On another note, we had a small loss in the family, the coffee brewer died after 5 years or so of service. We got a new one from Oxo that can take Kalita wave filters to make single servings. Then I looked up Kalita and now I want to do pour overs. Anybody have a favorite pour over kettle? Debating getting a stove top version or electric version. Then I’ll just get the Wave since we’ll need to stock the filters anyway.

I've been using the Hario kettle with temperature control for the past 6 months, it is pretty nice.

[BNA/LION]

Still trying all kinds of different beans and I have to say that these are right up on the top of my list of favorites!

Thank You Brian (Briboxer) for giving me a bag to try!

https://wingskonacoffee.com/store/online_order.html

[Cheng]

Sorry I am not a coffee person unfortunately.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

So have you got it all sorted out? I looked up your machine to see how it works, and it’s a bit different as the grinder is integrated, and settings are time based rather than weight based. My formula when I get new beans is to grind 17 grams to make a double shot. The goal is to get the shot to take 25 seconds to make 30 grams of coffee. Then tweak from there. Espresso is all about the size of the ground particles, the amount of time the water is interacting with the grounds, and the water temperature. The pressure is typically fixed. There is also the “pre-infusion” time to play around with where the hot water wets the puck without passing through it. I like to pre-infuse until the first drop comes out, then start the shot at full pressure.

First things first would be getting a scale that measures to tenths of a gram. On your machine, you’d need to dial in the grind time to generate around 17 grams consistently. So weight your portafilter before and after grinding the beans, take the difference. Then tamp and set up your shot. Put the cup on the scale and take it. Run the shot, and see how much is coming out in around 25 seconds. If it runs fast, it’s sour. If it runs slow, it’s bitter. Then go back and adjust the grind setting (1-30) to get the ideal time of around 25 seconds.

If you run into trouble it’s likely the repeatability of the grind that is the issue. You can get a separate grinder that allows finer control. My wife and I really like Baratza, as they have models that have much finer adjustment and will distribute an exact weight of grounds. Quick to dial in and consistent from shot to shot. In the end I got a Kafatek which is amazing, but is quite the coffee investment monetarily.

One last thing to keep in mind is the age of the beans. Ideally I use beans from 4-14 days after they’ve been roasted. As beans age, the grind needs to be finer to get the same flow rate of the espresso. If you get old grocery store beans, prepare to grind it really fine to get a decent cup.

Good luck

Yes dialing in is not easy for a beginner.

I did it last year on my pavoni lever machine, went from water flushing through the puck immediately to choking the shot. Took me a few weeks to get used to the whole setup and getting it right perfectly. Once you know what you're doing it is not that hard.

Lighter roasts are still pretty tricky to get right on a manual machine though, the pavoni offers no temperature control so you're working with guesswork to get it right, and if it is too cold you'll and up with a sour shot. Darker roasts are much more forgiving IMO.

[MDMH]

Pilot Coffee Toronto staple of the Toronto RC
Brewed in a MocaMaster

[BNA/LION]

Originally Posted by Cheng

Sorry I am not a coffee person unfortunately.

Hey! Get out of this thread!
*REPORTED*

[-dustin]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

Anybody have a favorite pour over kettle?

https://www.amazon.com/Bonavita-BV38...33816061&psc=1

If it was just me, I'd get a Fellow Stagg. But this Bonavita serves me and my coffee, wife and her tea, the boys and their quick pasta. Quite precise and easy to control. I use it for V60, Aeropress, and hot chocolate.

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by uscmatt99

Alright I’m sold on electric. I’ll probably start with the Kalita, may give the V60 a go as well.

it took me about 1.5 months to master james hoffman technique. now really turning it up with expensive specialty coffee but enjoying every drop of it.

then you can try tetsu kasuya technique.

or you can tweak to your liking

possibilities are endless

[FLGatorM5]

Originally Posted by Cheng

Sorry I am not a coffee person unfortunately.

::Stumbles into the saloon, music stops, place goes silent. Tumbleweed blows across the floor…::

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by bp1000

Consider coffee masters exclusive master blend

Slightly more expensive for 1kg but quite a bit nicer (subjective I know) they tend to fresh / recently roasted etc

I use these which give a really balanced flavour, smack bang in between a floral citrus / acidity and a robust deep chocolaty flavour

Great for the price.

Finally got through my backlog of Lavazza so I’ve taken you up on your recommendation.




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[bp1000]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Finally got through my backlog of Lavazza so I’ve taken you up on your recommendation.




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Wow

That’s a real bulk buy!!

What is the roast date on these ? Mine is normally 3-6 weeks for single bags.

But more importantly, what do you think?

They are slightly harder to extract, I find running more water through them works best. Ie 17grams, 40 grams out in 28-34 seconds and I also run the water slightly hotter.

This is vs a traditional Italian roast where I would run 18grams, 36 grams out in about 25 sec

[OmegaJJH]

Not tried it yet. Only arrived today. Last of Lavazza should be gone in next couple of days so will report back.


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[BNA/LION]

Originally Posted by Ballzzz

Fun Game - I got 16/20

https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/coffee_producers

12/20 here...

~BUMP~

If you haven't tried this yet it is not easy... Good Luck!