UFO Disclosure Imminent?

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I know Joey, I know... sigh, I guess I was just being selfish.

You know there John, I am not sure if you are calling me an inferior aviator, which I will take great offense to, or suggesting my older aircraft did not have the capabilities of the newer Super Hornet,

Either that or you could always close this thread.

I am saying you are an aviator because you constantly tell us, and keep telling us your opinion in this thread.

Other aviators supported by the Navy have far different opinions, they have credentials too.

You had far inferior radar in your Hornet, read the article.

You seemed to attack anothers post using your credentials as credibility on this topic. Obviously David Fravor has similar credentials and completely disagrees with you.

Post what you like, just an observation of perceived pettiness toward another who is posting. I'm headed out for the day. Ill reply to anything you like in the morning.

Peace

[TheVTCGuy]

Yep, I’ll keep talking about my credentials and experiences on this thread, so you will hear it again. And other aviators are certainly entitled to their opinions about extra terrestrial origins of theses sightings, as is anyone, just don’t tell ME what it’s like to fly a Navy jet and I won’t tell you what it’s like... doing whatever it is you do. You are right about the post from Bah, he and I communicated off line and he thanked me for my service, which I sincerely appreciated; we have no issues between us. And I am not going to argue about the 65 radar, IT is the reason I missed my only A to A shot in Desert Storm against a Fishbed, (that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!!). If an alien lands on the Whitehouse lawn and says: “Nanu -baraktu-nikti” (or whatever it was) I’ll admit I was wrong and you were right, but that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. Just what is your definition of the term “Imminent” anyway?

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by VaRobot

(May 2019) UFO Disclosure Imminent? ...

Seemingly not.

[Blah114aa]

What does everyone make of bob lazar? Has anyone besides me watched the joe Rogan interviews on YouTube? The Netflix documentary simply insinuated, “why would he lie??” I don’t know what to think.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Blah114aa

What does everyone make of bob lazar? Has anyone besides me watched the joe Rogan interviews on YouTube? The Netflix documentary simply insinuated, “why would he lie??” I don’t know what to think.

That guy is something else, but to answer your question I don’t believe him because he is a proven liar. He claimed to have advanced degrees from MIT and University of California, (my Alma matter :) and both Universities denounce this. His response was the government was forcing them to clear the records to try and shut him up; sure they were. As to why he makes these outrageous claims, I think it must be the publicity for his business, I think it’s called National Nuclear Services. He was charged with a crime years ago for (something like i) transporting dangerous chemicals, again he claimed it was a government conspiracy.

There are some very credible people with incredible claims, I am inclined to believe some, like my Navy brethren, but not Bob.

[Blah114aa]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

That guy is something else, but to answer your question I don’t believe him because he is a proven liar. He claimed to have advanced degrees from MIT and University of California, (my Alma matter :) and both Universities denounce this. His response was the government was forcing them to clear the records to try and shut him up; sure they were. As to why he makes these outrageous claims, I think it must be the publicity for his business, I think it’s called National Nuclear Services. He was charged with a crime years ago for (something like i) transporting dangerous chemicals, again he claimed it was a government conspiracy.

There are some very credible people with incredible claims, I am inclined to believe some, like my Navy brethren, but not Bob.

Who are those ppl you find credible.. for me it’s really hard to know. Budd Hopkins seems sincere. I tend to dismiss anyone selling something . Bob seems sincere but years ago he was driving a corvettte with a ufo vanity plate . I can’t recall what it said . It was weird he’d want that attention. He pulled up on camera in the car . 1990s or later. It’s all very strange to me

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Blah114aa

Who are those ppl you find credible.. for me it’s really hard to know. Budd Hopkins seems sincere. I tend to dismiss anyone selling something . Bob seems sincere but years ago he was driving a corvettte with a ufo vanity plate . I can’t recall what it said . It was weird he’d want that attention. He pulled up on camera in the car . 1990s or later. It’s all very strange to me

I remember that!!! Yeah... I think it was a C5, but I definitely remember what you are talking about. The only thing I can figure is he is one of those people that lives attention, and will do or say whatever to get it.

[bayerische]

Bob Lazar is interesting. He must have some kind of upper-level education though, I don't think you walk out of highschool with his level of claims...?

The Netflix doc was pure shaite though.

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Just what is your definition of the term “Imminent” anyway?

im·mi·nent
/ˈimənənt/
adjective: imminent
1. about to happen.


The title of the thread is "UFO Disclosure Imminent?"

It doesn't imply what a UFO is, or whom is doing the disclosing.

It does imply pending disclosure of unknown advanced aircraft by someone or some agency with credibility.

Before or during the course of this thread, whom of any credibility has "disclosed" that "UAP's" exist?

Since starting the thread I have pasted numerous links to credible people whom say a "Phenomena" is flying through our skies.

It really isn't called UFO anymore, it is called UAP,(Unexplained Aerial Phenomena). Because enough information exists to confirm it isn't existing known aircraft technology. It also has the aspect of a "Phenomena" rather than an advanced aircraft.

Below are re-pasted previous links of credible people whom Disclosed" the existence of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

Multiple F-18 Pilots:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-baja-surfaces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBIBCW5P98



Kevin Day—USS Nimitz Senior Chief Operations Specialist and Witness to 2004 Tic Tac Events:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV6M4MKoLnk


Gary Voorhis—Navy Electronics Technician and Witness to Tic Tac FLIR Video on the USS Princeton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2gdQaklBQ&t=2s


PJ Hughes—Witness to Confiscation of E-2 Hawkeye Electronic Tic Tac Data from USS Nimitz 2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfxavE5B-IE


Jason Turner—Witness to F-18 Tic Tac FLIR Video in 2004 While Aboard the USS Princeton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHi5UfIu1wo


Dr Hal Puthoff TTSA describing the Nimitz Incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFVsfG6WRIM

Fox News: UFO Effects on Health Investigated by US Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t8_ULYE5VU

Harry Reid and his part in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDNj1VpkO0

TTSA has a former Skunkworks project manager working for them, Steve Justice
It is interesting that he is still prominently displayed on an official Lockheed/Skunkworks page:
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us...kunkworks.html
Here he is on the TTSA page, same pic:
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/bl...de-skunk-works

Bigelow on 60 minutes saying that Aliens are "Right Under Our Nose":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZSykPTtlI

Chris Mellon, former Asst Sec of Defense, now of TTSA gives a sneak peak of some new IR video to be shown on the “Unidentified” series tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tRS...&feature=share

MENSA on Delonge and TTSA:
https://www.us.mensa.org/read/bullet...e-unexplained/


2nd US Senator admits receiving secret UFO briefing:
Jeanne Shaheen, who sits on the Armed Services Committee of the US Senate, confirmed she was present at a meeting which discussed sightings by the US Navy
‘It was a classified briefing so I’m not allowed to talk about it. ‘But if you were to ask me personally do I believe there are UFOs, I think that there are events that have happened that have not been explained adequately.’
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/04/us-se...ings-10114274/

North Carolina Rep. Mark Walker demands answers about the military's probe into UFO sightings:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-wa...by-navy-pilots

Navy withholding data on UFO sightings, congressman says:
“While I am encouraged the Under Secretary of the Navy confirmed that UAP encounters are fully investigated, there is frustration with the lack of answers to specific questions about the threat that superior aircraft flying in United States airspace may pose," Walker told POLITICO in a statement."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...htings-1698396

UFO Fox News, Professor Michio Kaku, the evidence is overwhelming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-WC1wrWJ64


To Summarize:

Former Speaker of the House Harry Reid, Former head of Pentagon AATIP Progam Luis Alizondo, Physicist Michio Kaku, The Under Secretary of the Navy, Steve Justice former Skunkworks Project Manager, Chris Mellon, former Asst Sec of Defense, Dr Hal Puthoff TTSA, Kevin Day—USS Nimitz Senior Chief Operations Specialist, Gary Voorhis—Navy Electronics Technician and Witness to Tic Tac FLIR Video on the USS Princeton, Jason Turner—Witness to F-18 Tic Tac FLIR Video in 2004 While Aboard the USS Princeton, Multiple F-18 Pilots, NASA contractor and Billionaire Robert Bigelow, The U.S. Army investigating properties of UFO metamaterials.


All of the above credible individuals, (and many more), have "Disclosed" that UAP's exist. At least for me, this satisfies that Disclosure of UAP's has happened. It was disclosed by the above credible individuals.

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by Blah114aa

What does everyone make of bob lazar? Has anyone besides me watched the joe Rogan interviews on YouTube? The Netflix documentary simply insinuated, “why would he lie??” I don’t know what to think.

I watched the interview and the latest movie on him.

My understanding is that Lazar was a minor government contractor with an Associates Degree.

He lied about his education saying he had a Doctorate in Physics to get into a higher level government position. I believe at this point it was discovered that he lied on the application and some sort of Security/Intelligence Agency got involved.

He also has a criminal history, Pandering I believe. He owned a Brothel at one time.

Rather than tell him to get lost, they used him as a misinformation agent for all things "UFO". He may have been shown a fake flying saucer and was given times that exotic aircraft would be tested at area 51. He saw those exotic aircraft flying at night and assumed it was the testing of extraterrestrial craft. He then added his own B.S. to the story and the rest is history.

Something similar happened with Paul Bennewitz. He was convinced a New Mexico Air Force Base was communicating with Aliens. He contacted the base and a misinformation agent came to him, telling him they were in fact communicating with aliens. This went on for some time and eventually Bennewitz became more delusional and had a mental breakdown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz


More recently a former CIA Physician, Kit Green said that he had seen CIA photos of a dead alien that looked nearly identical to the one in "Alien Autopsy" DVD,(Santilli Film).

https://richarddolanmembers.com/free...on-the-record/

"Alien Autopsy" has been proven to be a fake rubber alien, I have a thick book written by the guys that faked it. However, the Fake Rubber Alien seems to have an uncanny resemblance to the "Alien" in the CIA pics. "Alien Autopsy" DVD,(Santilli Film), guys may have seen the CIA pics.

The resolution to this seems to be that the CIA or others have fake flying saucers and fake dead aliens that they heavily photographed and detailed in official looking documents.

They use this fake information and documents to "test" people to see if they can keep their mouth shut and to spread misinformation when they talk.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by VaRobot

They use this fake information and documents to "test" people to see if they can keep their mouth shut and to spread misinformation when they talk.

Of course they do.

[BNA/LION]

I Luv Greys!

The Watch type and Intergalactic ones too!

[VaRobot]

:)

[Blah114aa]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Of course they do.

Like the departed , seriously, where Nicholson tells DiCaprio about a fake job to see if he’s a rat. He passes their test and doesn’t get killed until the end..

FRED and Barney hill seemed interesting.

I’d like to think we’re being visited, but do not know. And then there’s the sudden technological leaps.. I don’t know.

If you want your mind blown, read https://archive.org/stream/BeholdAPa...APaleHorse.txt

I never got through the whole thing

[Burlington]

Hmmm still not sure and I’ve seen one myself

Edit: to be clear I don’t think it was extra terrestrial, but it certainly wasn’t like anything else I’ve seen flying before or after since.

Presumption i have is some kind of military test plane. It was exactly the same shape as the Aurora project plane which I learned of many years later. Although colours were different.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Burlington

Hmmm still not sure and I’ve seen one myself

Edit: to be clear I don’t think it was extra terrestrial, but it certainly wasn’t like anything else I’ve seen flying before or after since.

Presumption i have is some kind of military test plane. It was exactly the same shape as the Aurora project plane which I learned of many years later. Although colours were different.

That I wouldn’t doubt, I had an “encounter” myself many many years ago while flying near Groom Lake Nevada, sound familiar? Radar kept hitting intermittently on a bogie at Angels 50+ and almost Mach 3, it was there, then gone, there, then gone. I radioed the controller with a gadget contact and was instructed to disregard, then vectored out of the area.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Seemingly not.

Imminent in a Galactic sense Paul, like, within the next 10 or 12 thousand years

[Blah114aa]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

That I wouldn’t doubt, I had an “encounter” myself many many years ago while flying near Groom Lake Nevada, sound familiar? Radar kept hitting intermittently on a bogie at Angels 50+ and almost Mach 3, it was there, then gone, there, then gone. I radioed the controller with a gadget contact and was instructed to disregard, then vectored out of the area.

What, known 50 years from now, are we seeing tested now, today? Imagine seein the stealth bomber decades before its news releases. I’m betting commercial space travel is rampant soon. How soon ... maybe by 2040. I am unsure where people will go. Maybe a space station

[VaRobot]

New York Post, 2019 was banner year for credible UFO sightings

https://nypost.com/2019/12/14/2019-w...ufo-sightings/

[Blah114aa]

Originally Posted by VaRobot

im·mi·nent
/ˈimənənt/
adjective: imminent
1. about to happen.


The title of the thread is "UFO Disclosure Imminent?"

It doesn't imply what a UFO is, or whom is doing the disclosing.

It does imply pending disclosure of unknown advanced aircraft by someone or some agency with credibility.

Before or during the course of this thread, whom of any credibility has "disclosed" that "UAP's" exist?

Since starting the thread I have pasted numerous links to credible people whom say a "Phenomena" is flying through our skies.

It really isn't called UFO anymore, it is called UAP,(Unexplained Aerial Phenomena). Because enough information exists to confirm it isn't existing known aircraft technology. It also has the aspect of a "Phenomena" rather than an advanced aircraft.

Below are re-pasted previous links of credible people whom Disclosed" the existence of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

Multiple F-18 Pilots:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-baja-surfaces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBIBCW5P98



Kevin Day—USS Nimitz Senior Chief Operations Specialist and Witness to 2004 Tic Tac Events:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV6M4MKoLnk


Gary Voorhis—Navy Electronics Technician and Witness to Tic Tac FLIR Video on the USS Princeton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2gdQaklBQ&t=2s


PJ Hughes—Witness to Confiscation of E-2 Hawkeye Electronic Tic Tac Data from USS Nimitz 2004:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfxavE5B-IE


Jason Turner—Witness to F-18 Tic Tac FLIR Video in 2004 While Aboard the USS Princeton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHi5UfIu1wo


Dr Hal Puthoff TTSA describing the Nimitz Incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFVsfG6WRIM

Fox News: UFO Effects on Health Investigated by US Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t8_ULYE5VU

Harry Reid and his part in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLDNj1VpkO0

TTSA has a former Skunkworks project manager working for them, Steve Justice
It is interesting that he is still prominently displayed on an official Lockheed/Skunkworks page:
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us...kunkworks.html
Here he is on the TTSA page, same pic:
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/bl...de-skunk-works

Bigelow on 60 minutes saying that Aliens are "Right Under Our Nose":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZSykPTtlI

Chris Mellon, former Asst Sec of Defense, now of TTSA gives a sneak peak of some new IR video to be shown on the “Unidentified” series tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tRS...&feature=share

MENSA on Delonge and TTSA:
https://www.us.mensa.org/read/bullet...e-unexplained/


2nd US Senator admits receiving secret UFO briefing:
Jeanne Shaheen, who sits on the Armed Services Committee of the US Senate, confirmed she was present at a meeting which discussed sightings by the US Navy
‘It was a classified briefing so I’m not allowed to talk about it. ‘But if you were to ask me personally do I believe there are UFOs, I think that there are events that have happened that have not been explained adequately.’
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/04/us-se...ings-10114274/

North Carolina Rep. Mark Walker demands answers about the military's probe into UFO sightings:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-wa...by-navy-pilots

Navy withholding data on UFO sightings, congressman says:
“While I am encouraged the Under Secretary of the Navy confirmed that UAP encounters are fully investigated, there is frustration with the lack of answers to specific questions about the threat that superior aircraft flying in United States airspace may pose," Walker told POLITICO in a statement."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...htings-1698396

UFO Fox News, Professor Michio Kaku, the evidence is overwhelming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-WC1wrWJ64


To Summarize:

Former Speaker of the House Harry Reid, Former head of Pentagon AATIP Progam Luis Alizondo, Physicist Michio Kaku, The Under Secretary of the Navy, Steve Justice former Skunkworks Project Manager, Chris Mellon, former Asst Sec of Defense, Dr Hal Puthoff TTSA, Kevin Day—USS Nimitz Senior Chief Operations Specialist, Gary Voorhis—Navy Electronics Technician and Witness to Tic Tac FLIR Video on the USS Princeton, Jason Turner—Witness to F-18 Tic Tac FLIR Video in 2004 While Aboard the USS Princeton, Multiple F-18 Pilots, NASA contractor and Billionaire Robert Bigelow, The U.S. Army investigating properties of UFO metamaterials.


All of the above credible individuals, (and many more), have "Disclosed" that UAP's exist. At least for me, this satisfies that Disclosure of UAP's has happened. It was disclosed by the above credible individuals.

Thanks for listing these sources. I’d never heard of bigelow.

[VaRobot]

"Thanks for listing these sources. "I’d never heard of bigelow."




Bigelow and Bigelow Aerospace are huge in all of this. Bigelow is buddies with Harry Reid and convinced him to start the Pentagon AATIP program. Bigelow was a primary government contractor for AATIP.

Bigelow has his own personal inflatable space station orbiting earth. He also has a room on the International Space Station being tested.

He created his own UFO investigative team known as "NIDS", they investigated Skinwalker Ranch and many now have gone to work for Tom Delonge's "To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences".

Bigelow owns MUFON. Bigelow Aerospace analyzed the UFO Metamaterials that the U.S. Army is now working with.

Bigelow and Delonge are the two most connected UFO folks that the Public is aware of. They both have "insider" information. They both are soft disclosure agents for groups in our Government.

[alphadweller]

A few months ago I saw a small light ball early in the morning on my way to work (at night). Flew over the motorway from right to left at high speed and low altitude (about 50m high).

No idea what it was. Could have been a reflection on the car windscreen and left side windows, although unlikely TBH. It all happened in a second.

I never saw it again and I pass by the same spot every day at the same time.

I'm all up for disclosure. Won't change the way I live and my inner beliefs.

[VaRobot]

"China is already building a “Navy in space” complete with the space-based equivalents of "battleships and destroyers"

"This technology can be built today with technology that is not developmental to deliver any human being from any place on planet Earth to any other place in less than an hour."

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ace-technology

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Won't change the way I live and my inner beliefs.

Interesting story, Thanks!

I think the work with Metamaterials that TTSA and the Army is currently doing may change the way we all live. Vastly superior aircraft, etc.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by VaRobot

Interesting story, Thanks!



I think the work with Metamaterials that TTSA and the Army is currently doing may change the way we all live. Vastly superior aircraft, etc.

Totally, we'll probably see technologies progressing at a much higher pace and affecting our lives from a practical perspective. What I meant was it won't change the way I approach live from a philosophical standpoint.

[Blah114aa]

In my uninformed opinion.... WE are aliens... The entire UFO discussion is rather arbitrary at this point. I don’t think that humans are from this planet. I think we were brought here and believe we’re a zoo. I’ve said this for years. As for there being “Intelligent Life,” dogs are intelligent.... as are wolves, etc... so the entire discussion becomes quite redundant. If we’re alien, then aliens are here and have been. I’d like to think Hollywood has been preparing us for disclosure as well. It certainly seems like people are much more open to the idea than 30 years ago.

I really can’t stand people using the term “alien ufo...” etc. the thing is none of us knows what any “ufo” is. It’s merely unidentifiable or unidentified. I’ve always thought multiple species are visiting and have been. I also believe some of them are likely idiots... like from mars attacks (movie)... I also believe humans are pretty idiotic as well. I am for sure. I buy watches for 15k when I can use a phone to tell me the time.

Bigelow intrigues me. But at end of day, nothing would ever be allowed on tv or to be disclosed without the government allowing it. I firmly believe this. So it’s either disinformation or they want us to know.

Go to any concert, even a rush concert (they retired)... the sheer idiocy in the crowds .. ie people yelling, “play Tom Sawyer” from 100th row , as if geddy Lee could hear that person or care.... look at the current state of politics in the USA presently (both sides) ... if “aliens” see this behavior, along with me wearing an AP or hulk submariner.... they’ll likely keep flying. Or, they may be underground or in another dimension.

Google CERN.. eventually we’ll blow ourselves up. Although, I’m thinking that’s been prevented already a few times.. Ie rendlesham forest incident etc.

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Totally, we'll probably see technologies progressing at a much higher pace and affecting our lives from a practical perspective. What I meant was it won't change the way I approach live from a philosophical standpoint.

Wont change my Philosophical Standpoint either

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by Blah114aa

Bigelow intrigues me. But at end of day, nothing would ever be allowed on tv or to be disclosed without the government allowing it. .

With Regard to UAP's, P = Phenomena, not necessarily aliens, our "Government" is multi-faceted with regard to all things UAP. CIA, NSA, Air Force, Navy, Military Industrial Complex, etc, All have different folks in charge of information on this Phenomena. Some know more than others and they don't all communicate freely about it.

The Air Force is quiet on all these recent developments because they blew their credibility denying it for years.

Bigelow and Delonge have former CIA and Army Intelligence Officers working for them.

All these varying information sources is why Harry Reid started AATIP, so that he and congress could gather what he could and have their own source of information, such as the Navy UAP videos that Alizondo and AATIP acquired.

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by Blah114aa

I’d like to think Hollywood has been preparing us for disclosure as well. It certainly seems like people are much more open to the idea than 30 years ago.

The CIA and others have been helping Hollywood with soft disclosure for decades. This is a wonderful book on that subject:

https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Screen...e%2C146&sr=1-1

[MP5]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Yep, I’ll keep talking about my credentials and experiences on this thread, so you will hear it again. And other aviators are certainly entitled to their opinions about extra terrestrial origins of theses sightings, as is anyone, just don’t tell ME what it’s like to fly a Navy jet and I won’t tell you what it’s like... doing whatever it is you do. You are right about the post from Bah, he and I communicated off line and he thanked me for my service, which I sincerely appreciated; we have no issues between us. And I am not going to argue about the 65 radar, IT is the reason I missed my only A to A shot in Desert Storm against a Fishbed, (that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!!!). If an alien lands on the Whitehouse lawn and says: “Nanu -baraktu-nikti” (or whatever it was) I’ll admit I was wrong and you were right, but that’s not going to happen in my lifetime. Just what is your definition of the term “Imminent” anyway?

Bravo sir!