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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

I don't think he said the red bull is a "crappy car."

Of course it is no debate that you can't push a car past 100%; the point is that most drivers are not extracting the full 100% out of the car. Max is certainly pushing it.

And I quote;

…..”but he just can't do what Max can do with a crappy car”

The rest I agree with. No matter what it’s about the team and driver extracting as close to 100% as possible every weekend. More often than not Red Bull and Max have done that the best every weekend for the last few year while Perez hasn’t.

That didn’t show when the RB was so far ahead, but as predicted multiple times over the last 18 months by pundits and ex drivers, when the pack closes in, Perez’s lack of ability to extract the maximum will put others ahead of him in the pack.

Thats now happening and tbh as much as I like Perez as a person I think he will be replaced soon with a more capable or hungrier driver. Will be interesting to see if it upsets the Apple cart in red bull

[SDGT3]

IF we're being honest, Perez is only there for the sponsorship and merchandise money he brings in. The performance clauses in these contracts gives RBR the option to remove him and I do think there will be changes after the summer break. Maybe unlikely, but it could be a swap of seats with Daniel Ricciardo if DR can drive this version of the RB better.

There's also the Liam Lawson factor. You have to get this young talent in a car and it makes more sense to put him in against Yuki than in the varsity team. At this point, Checo isn't helping with the constructor's race and RB will be caught at some point in the 2nd half of the year if that 2nd seat doesn't start producing points on a regular basis.

[SDGT3]

Recent spy photo of the new upgrades to be introduced at the Hungarian GP

[77T]

Wets fitted before RD declared wet track.
€5,000.

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FIA making Big Bank this year. Hope you get 10% of the take

[jatco]

Originally Posted by 77T

Wets fitted before RD declared wet track.
€5,000.

Side pods reduced ...(say what...)

[Boopie]

Just arrived in Budapest last night. We flew from LAX and changed planes in Munich…about a dozen Team Ferrari guys joined in from Munich and flew with us, with identical matching shirts, backpacks, as luggage. There were also a couple of Red Bull guys, but nothing like the Ferrari group.

It looks as if there are a number of morning events before the Sunday afternoon race. I have figure out if it’s worth getting to the venue well before the race.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by Boopie

Just arrived in Budapest last night. We flew from LAX and changed planes in Munich…about a dozen Team Ferrari guys joined in from Munich and flew with us, with identical matching shirts, backpacks, as luggage. There were also a couple of Red Bull guys, but nothing like the Ferrari group.

It looks as if there are a number of morning events before the Sunday afternoon race. I have figure out if it’s worth getting to the venue well before the race.

Cool...

[enjoythemusic]

Can you camp out at the venue? Maybe rent an RV?

[SDGT3]

A Major Shift May Be on the Horizon When It Comes to Major Sponsors in Formula 1. Decalspotters Reports That the Watch Brand Rolex Will Be Stepping Down as a Global Sponsor of Formula 1 After This Season. The Luxury Watch Brand Is Said to Pay €50,000,000 Annually for the Sponsorship in Formula 1.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Boopie

It looks as if there are a number of morning events before the Sunday afternoon race. I have figure out if it’s worth getting to the venue well before the race.

Yep - the F3 & F2 races could be great races - they race for a seat in the next step on the ladder to then get the golden ring: F1




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[77T]

Preview F1:
https://www.fia.com/news/f1-2024-hun...d-prix-preview

Preview F2:
https://www.fiaformula2.com/Latest/4...nd-twisty-test

Why preview F2?
RB driver there (HAD) may replace RIC?

Horner interview:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...c8JXoPlwGl8kQU

Sillier Season Starting before Summer Break?

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Cool, F1 now has all-female announcers. Surely a female F1 driver or three on the starting grid is just around the corner.

[SDGT3]

That might be the craziest Q1 I've ever witnessed!! Wow..

Wonder what Alpine were thinking not sending both driver's out just as the track got faster and faster...

Looks like both Mercedes and Ferrari are a step behind whilst McLaren have a comfortable gap to Max. Should there be a fully dry race, certainly even they can't screw up a win here, right?

How is Perez still employed with RBR At this point, there is no salvaging this extension and performance clauses have to come into effect. He's been outqualified by both junior team driver's RIC and TSU as well as Logan Sargeant. Need to get Liam Lawson back in a seat. Perez also has the most cost against the cap of any driver on grid due to crash damage.

Hoping for rain tomorrow to spicy things up.

[INC]

I think, we will have a wonderful race tomorrow! but... unfortunately and probably the last for PER.

At the same time, let me share Ferrari's creation for the race!

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Wonder what Alpine were thinking not sending both driver's out just as the track got faster and faster...

Imho it may be time to fire one to three to 38 people at Alpine and get a new, competent and competitive crew on there. Seems to me too many less favorable things are happening in the team.

Change your personal and change your luck.

Hey, it can't be any worse than they are now.

Hire Paul to run the team

[Talon84]

How is Perez still employed by RBR? 1) Money from his wealthy backers, 2) keeps the Verstappen family happy with a driver that supports max rather than fighting against him 3) the only alternatives are Ricciardo, Yuki and Lawson….dont think the first 2 are up for the task, dont think the latter will be welcomed by the Verstappens

I think Perez will survive Hungary and Spa, after the summer break who knows.

Intreresting that the new financial rules are forcing even Red Bull to give Max the latest updates and not Perez….its almost getting back to the Schumacher days where they give the number 1 driver the latest bits

Tbh though i bet RB are thanking their lucky stars….at this point, not sure if they can trust Perez not to trash them!

The Reb Bull looks like the best car on long runs, has been all weekend if you look into the numbers, and mclaren fastest on 1 lap pace so it sets up an interesting race tomorrow. Start for mclaren will be imperative….keep max in 3rd so none of their drivers can open up a gap to protect from an undercut which will be fery powerful.

I can see mclaren sacrificing one of their drivers to try and ensure the victory tomorrow

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

How is Perez still employed by RBR? 1) Money from his wealthy backers, 2) keeps the Verstappen family happy with a driver that supports max rather than fighting against him 3) the only alternatives are Ricciardo, Yuki and Lawson….dont think the first 2 are up for the task, dont think the latter will be welcomed by the Verstappens

I think Perez will survive Hungary and Spa, after the summer break who knows.

Intreresting that the new financial rules are forcing even Red Bull to give Max the latest updates and not Perez….its almost getting back to the Schumacher days where they give the number 1 driver the latest bits

Tbh though i bet RB are thanking their lucky stars….at this point, not sure if they can trust Perez not to trash them!

The Reb Bull looks like the best car on long runs, has been all weekend if you look into the numbers, and mclaren fastest on 1 lap pace so it sets up an interesting race tomorrow. Start for mclaren will be imperative….keep max in 3rd so none of their drivers can open up a gap to protect from an undercut which will be fery powerful.

I can see mclaren sacrificing one of their drivers to try and ensure the victory tomorrow

There's a lot to unpack in your post.

How exactly is Perez supporting Max when he hasn't even reached Q2 in 4 of the last 6 race weekends?

Money is the only factor on why Checo is still in his seat, but with Checo leading all drivers in damage to his car, that counts against the budget cap, I hope that contract says RBR will get 3X for every Euro he damages on the car. As of Monaco, he had 2.5m Pounds of damage, leading all other drivers on the grid.

Agree that he will survive until Spa and then be replace after summer break... or at least he has to be (should be).

If you wouldn't even give Perez a drive, why would you give him the new upgrades? He would either crash them or not exploit full use of them. Naturally the #1 would get the new bits or Red Bull have other issues besides a pay driver in a top car.

The Red Bull is better than the McLaren on heavy fuel, but the Mac comes alive the last stint of the race when it's lighter and lighter and has much more speed than the Red Bull (if given the right tires).

You can't put a guy who has only been in a F1 car for 5 races and hasn't been in a car for a year in Perez's seat. Lawson will slot into the RB, probably along side Yuki for the remainder of the year if Perez is replaced during summer break. There still an outside chance Sainz gets that seat next to Max in 2025.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

There's a lot to unpack in your post.

How exactly is Perez supporting Max when he hasn't even reached Q2 in 4 of the last 6 race weekends?

Money is the only factor on why Checo is still in his seat, but with Checo leading all drivers in damage to his car, that counts against the budget cap, I hope that contract says RBR will get 3X for every Euro he damages on the car. As of Monaco, he had 2.5m Pounds of damage, leading all other drivers on the grid.

Agree that he will survive until Spa and then be replace after summer break... or at least he has to be (should be).

If you wouldn't even give Perez a drive, why would you give him the new upgrades? He would either crash them or not exploit full use of them. Naturally the #1 would get the new bits or Red Bull have other issues besides a pay driver in a top car.

The Red Bull is better than the McLaren on heavy fuel, but the Mac comes alive the last stint of the race when it's lighter and lighter and has much more speed than the Red Bull (if given the right tires).

You can't put a guy who has only been in a F1 car for 5 races and hasn't been in a car for a year in Perez's seat. Lawson will slot into the RB, probably along side Yuki for the remainder of the year if Perez is replaced during summer break. There still an outside chance Sainz gets that seat next to Max in 2025.

Thats the point, until mid last year he was supporting max. Look at his efforts during 2021 and 2022…. But a combo of his driving deteriorating and competitors closing up means he can no longer do that…we all saw it coming mid last year and its come true.

Money cant be the ONLY Perez still has his seat. Red Bull arent short of a few quid, and as you say if his damage is costing thrm $$$ then theyd get rid of him. Its well known that the verstappens and marko have seen him as a team player over the last few years so better to have him there than upset the apple cart. Again, this isnt a swipe at max, just nature of running a harmonious team sometimes…..its always been the red bull way to have a clear number 1 and 2…..multi 21 anyone?

I agree with you i wouldnt give him the new parts either not sure if this is red bulls thinking but its certainly saved em a few dollars this weekend. Im not saying this as a bad thing against max, of course youre going to give your number 1 driver the new bits, i just find it interesting that teams finally have to pick and choose upgrades rather than throwing them at both cars all the time. Just a feature of the new rules that teams have to think before adding bits

The red bull has won more races than most throughout this year, the others have caught up in recent races but with the latest upgrades this weekend the red bull has looked amazing on race simulations during practice if you look into the numbers. Red bull has still had the best car throughout the whole of the year.

Ferrari put bearman into their car at Saudi with zero experience on that track and had only done a handful of practice session…and scored points on his debut so it is possible

Personally would love to see sainz in the second RB seat, but they didnt get on well at torro rosso, neither did their parents when they were fighting to get the second red bull seat at the time….

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

T Money cant be the ONLY Perez still has his seat. Red Bull arent short of a few quid

Well the only other explanation is Checo has pictures of Marko with a goat.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Well the only other explanation is Checo has pictures of Marko with a goat.

More likely horney Horner

[77T]

Drama on the grid for NOR car...

PER is running different aero than VER



PER has had poor fortune compounded by poor racecraft - VER is not happy with his car.


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

Drama on the grid for NOR car...

PER is running different aero than VER



PER has had poor fortune compounded by poor racecraft - VER is not happy with his car.


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Yes as noted below, Max has the latest upgrades, perez doesnt.

Nice to see the mature Verstappen back again, telling the fia to go themselves….

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Nice to see the mature Verstappen back again, telling the fia to go themselves….

Well, let's see how that goes during the meeting. Max was quite... ambitious with his brakes. Rewatch the race and listen to Max's radio :)

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Well, let's see how that goes during the meeting. Max was quite... ambitious with his brakes. Rewatch the race and listen to Max's radio :)

Unfortunately people have said max has matured over the last couple of years…..guess its easy to mature when youre so far out front.

Put under pressure and he reverts to max 1.0….some of his moves in Austria and today along with the radio messages…..not great tbh.

Found it interesting that maxs comms finally had the nuts to tell him to shut up and stop being so silly…its been a long time coming.

Great for Piastri and Mclaren. Been following the aussie since karting and Lando since his ginetta days so amazing to see them do so well now

[enjoythemusic]

Agreed. It's easy to be nice when you're always ahead. Well, guess we should also be thankful F1 is still using human drivers.

[SDGT3]

What we learned today is that Max REALLY doesn't like understeer. In addition to making wonderful F1 and road cars, McLaren are remarkable therapists and negotiators that could can talk anyone off the ledge.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

What we learned today is that Max REALLY doesn't like understeer. In addition to making wonderful F1 and road cars, McLaren are remarkable therapists and negotiators that could can talk anyone off the ledge.

Lol!

Think Norris always knew he was going to give the position back, just toying with them and chancing his luck.


Love Norris and suspect he was trying to play alpha dog in the team but also sensible enough to know hes not quite irreplacable yet, and Piastri isnt far away ao best not upset the boss.

Think max liked understeer even less while locking brakes and ending 6ft in the air

[77T]

NFA




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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

NFA




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So.

Hamilton did nothing wrong, he didnt adjust his line, but he could have done more to avoid the incident?

…by being sat in the pit lane presumably?

More stewards afraid of penalising Max…..