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[INC]

RUS was great and HAM was weirdly bad.

This time MAX brilliantly followed LEC instead of trying to overtake him. He simply followed SAI's great strategy of following the LEC in less than 1 second, which allowed him to use DRS. And that meant NOR couldn't get close enough to overtake him. Although VER was faster than LEC, he was slower than NOR. So, if he had overtaken LEC, he would have lost DRS, and NOR could have easily overtaken him. Although this was a great strategy, on the other hand, it also showed that this RB is currently an ordinary scrap, from which only a class of VER can really squeeze this out.

However, despite the above, I think RB will say PER a goodbye, but maybe MAX will also say this to RB.

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

RUS under investigation as underweight.

Oops! Since both Mercs have the same specs, could that also mean they can both be disqualified?

[77T]

No.
Hearing began 15 minutes ago - only RUS & his team rep summoned.

HAM not summoned and has passed inspection.

I believe (no data yet) that too much fuel sample was taken + no clag on tires. But it's usually a DQ.


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[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

I believe (no data yet) that too much fuel sample was taken + no clag on tires. But it's usually a DQ.

Fingers crossed, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a DSQ, RUS would really deserve this win but HAM not at all.

[77T]

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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

RUS was great and HAM was weirdly bad.

This time MAX brilliantly followed LEC instead of trying to overtake him. He simply followed SAI's great strategy of following the LEC in less than 1 second, which allowed him to use DRS. And that meant NOR couldn't get close enough to overtake him. Although VER was faster than LEC, he was slower than NOR. So, if he had overtaken LEC, he would have lost DRS, and NOR could have easily overtaken him. Although this was a great strategy, on the other hand, it also showed that this RB is currently an ordinary scrap, from which only a class of VER can really squeeze this out.

However, despite the above, I think RB will say PER a goodbye, but maybe MAX will also say this to RB.

Im sorry, ham was weirldy bad? He led most of the race! Rus threw a hail mary and it worked, fair play to him, but hamilton bad? Put down what ever youre smoking

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

Fingers crossed, I hope it doesn't turn out to be a DSQ, RUS would really deserve this win but HAM not at all.

Genuine question

First you state hamilton was ‘weirdly bad’ despite leading most of the race against the odds, and then wouldnt deserve a win if the leading car was found outside the rules, a car that was trundling around in the top 6, threw a double 6 because he had nothing to lose and lucked out….again fair play to him for doing that, but it wasnt on pace.

Hamilton was told to lift and coast realively early on to ensure he had enough fuel…li wonder if russel was so worried about beating hamilton late on he forgot about the fuel/ weight.

Ummmm….ok

[INC]

Originally Posted by 77T

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Pauvre Russell...

How can this happened?

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

Pauvre Russell...

How can this happened?

. Edit. Not going to get into a merrygoround for the sake fonthis thread. Have a good day

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by INC

RUS was great and HAM was weirdly bad.

This time MAX brilliantly followed LEC instead of trying to overtake him. He simply followed SAI's great strategy of following the LEC in less than 1 second, which allowed him to use DRS. And that meant NOR couldn't get close enough to overtake him. Although VER was faster than LEC, he was slower than NOR. So, if he had overtaken LEC, he would have lost DRS, and NOR could have easily overtaken him. Although this was a great strategy, on the other hand, it also showed that this RB is currently an ordinary scrap, from which only a class of VER can really squeeze this out.

However, despite the above, I think RB will say PER a goodbye, but maybe MAX will also say this to RB.

Crofty must be so happy Max got some sleep last night but still coulding make it to the front. Excellent point you make about not passing LEC because the race for points was with Norris and there's no pointing passing LEC as it's Norris that needs the points. Max has that mental capacity, much like Alonso, to figure things out on track where many others cannot.

That was one of the best drives of the entire season for anyone! Going 75% of the race on just one set of tires is simply incredible and you could see it took everything George had to do it as he was sitting by himself in the shade trying to catch his breath. And yes, Toto looked like someone ran over his dog when the checkered flag dropped hoping the guy that stabbed him in the back and is going to Ferrari would have won, but didn't. Simply gutted for George now.

Mercedes clearly had the best car today but their short fueling was an awful decision. They were telling their drivers to lift and coast early in the race after a SC did not materialize and then the lack of 1 pit stop from George was the difference in post race scaling. Cutting the margins so close on what you might think will happen is a fools game.

Norris again with his starts. Perez from 2nd to 8th. Surely he must be thinking about his next family vacation in September, right?

[SearChart]

Rules are rules, but still a big bummer for Russel

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Crofty must be so happy Max got some sleep last night but still coulding make it to the front. Excellent point you make about not passing LEC because the race for points was with Norris and there's no pointing passing LEC as it's Norris that needs the points. Max has that mental capacity, much like Alonso, to figure things out on track where many others cannot.

That was one of the best drives of the entire season for anyone! Going 75% of the race on just one set of tires is simply incredible and you could see it took everything George had to do it as he was sitting by himself in the shade trying to catch his breath. And yes, Toto looked like someone ran over his dog when the checkered flag dropped hoping the guy that stabbed him in the back and is going to Ferrari would have won, but didn't. Simply gutted for George now.

Mercedes clearly had the best car today but their short fueling was an awful decision. They were telling their drivers to lift and coast early in the race after a SC did not materialize and then the lack of 1 pit stop from George was the difference in post race scaling. Cutting the margins so close on what you might think will happen is a fools game.

Norris again with his starts. Perez from 2nd to 8th. Surely he must be thinking about his next family vacation in September, right?

In the end it had nothing to do with short fuelling. The 798kg is without fuel. Apparently more to do with tyre pickup on the cool down lap…since they don’t have a full lap at spa and come off at turn 1 they don’t have chance to get pickup. 1mm of tread =0.5kg of weight…..


Think Toto looked exactly as a team manager should….the guy who dominated the race, lost….

….not saying that’s a good or bad thing but as a team manager you need to consider both sides of the team. Celebrate and you seem utterly insensitive to the guy who’s just lost, don’t celebrate and you get slated for not being happy for the winner. In the end he just cracked a smile so probably about right.


But yes, incredible drive by George, but rules are rules. 0.3mm of wing for Hamilton in Brazil, a bit of wing flexing, track limits by a few cm. F1 is a sport of fine margins. Break them and you suffer the consequences

[77T]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Rules are rules, but still a big bummer for Russel

Yep Bas - it wasn't challenged by the team - inadvertent error and not egregious.

And if Toto doesn't know how it happened - then he has the whole Summer Break to find out.


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[enjoythemusic]

(Deep sigh) Bummer he's light.

Accept and move on.

[INC]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Surely he must be thinking about his next family vacation in September, right?

Indeed, but this looks like a very long vacation to me.

[1st amg]

Happy for LH. He lead some of this race so he is also deserving. I just like all the extra drama this make between the two Brit teammates. Like the drama in the MacLaren garage. Fun fun


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[Andad]

Not a big fan of GR but he deserved the win……

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by Andad

Not a big fan of GR but he deserved the win……

Its interesting.

Spent the whole race tootling around in 5th not doing much but pulled a blinder by going onto a 1 stop....only something someone in his position could to to try and snatch the win.

If he was leading, theres no way he could do it, theyd have just matched the mclarens or leclerc as they did with Hamilton.

But his brilliant call also looks like it was his downfall, being underweight because of tyre wear and without the ability to get pickup from the cooldown lap.

Did he deserve it? ironically the best part of his drive(his call on strategy), also got him disqualified.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Its interesting.

Spent the whole race tootling around in 5th not doing much but pulled a blinder by going onto a 1 stop....only something someone in his position could to to try and snatch the win.

If he was leading, theres no way he could do it, theyd have just matched the mclarens or leclerc as they did with Hamilton.

But his brilliant call also looks like it was his downfall, being underweight because of tyre wear and without the ability to get pickup from the cooldown lap.

Did he deserve it? ironically the best part of his drive(his call on strategy), also got him disqualified.

Tire pick up is moot as everyone knows there is no cool down lap at Spa. The margins are so thin Mercedes team can only be to blame as the depth of tire tread was the margin in winning 25 pts or receiving a DQ for George and Mercedes losing 20 constructors points. It’s a shame.

[SDGT3]

Official:

Sainz to Williams.

That might be the last domino to fall as it almost assured Antolelli to Mercedes to pair with George.

RIC looked very happy yesterday in pre-race and post race. Wonder if he will pair with Max the rest of the season.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Tire pick up is moot as everyone knows there is no cool down lap at Spa. The margins are so thin Mercedes team can only be to blame as the depth of tire tread was the margin in winning 25 pts or receiving a DQ for George and Mercedes losing 20 constructors points. It’s a shame.

Oh absolutely merc are to blame, if anything they should have known the margins were so thin that they could have denied russells request to 1 stop.

Im not blaming russell fornthe dsq, i just find it ironic that the call that put him into the lead essentially cost him the race

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Official:

Sainz to Williams.

That might be the last domino to fall as it almost assured Antolelli to Mercedes to pair with George.

RIC looked very happy yesterday in pre-race and post race. Wonder if he will pair with Max the rest of the season.

Yup

Feel like it is a step back for sainz, having said that i see williams moving forward with new investment. I suspect he didnt want to join merc for a year and be in the same situation as hamilton, only being offered a 1 year contract IF Antonelli had enough superlicence points to get into f1

RIC is an interesting one. He could either lose his drive entirely OR join red bull at the moment….i dont know which!

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Oh absolutely merc are to blame, if anything they should have known the margins were so thin that they could have denied russells request to 1 stop.

Im not blaming russell fornthe dsq, i just find it ironic that the call that put him into the lead essentially cost him the race

What's not being discussed is the fact that Mercedes essentially went 1-2 (albeit a little light on one car) with two different strategies at a track that has been a Red Bull dominated track and a strategy (1 stop) that no one thought could be done. They straight up beat everyone else on merit as there was no safety car to interfere, no rain etc. The Red Bull is without question the 3rd fastest car now on the grid with one of their drivers and just ahead of Ferrari.

[SDGT3]

According to Motorsport.com reports


SERGIO PEREZ TO REMAIN WITH RED BULL AFTER CRUNCH F1 TALKS
In a Monday meeting Red Bull has decided against replacing Sergio Perez during the summer break

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

What's not being discussed is the fact that Mercedes essentially went 1-2 (albeit a little light on one car) with two different strategies at a track that has been a Red Bull dominated track and a strategy (1 stop) that no one thought could be done. They straight up beat everyone else on merit as there was no safety car to interfere, no rain etc. The Red Bull is without question the 3rd fastest car now on the grid with one of their drivers and just ahead of Ferrari.

As Piastri said, free air was king at the weekend. I think if max was out front he would have won the race…you saw that with Russell and old tyres v Hamilton closing by 0.7 seconds a lap, Perez had fastest lap for a good while too.

Don’t think I’d put the red bull 3rd right now, but certainly not the 0.5-1 second gap they had before Miami.

Still don’t think it will matter. Max had such a lead before Miami with their utter dominance that he will still win the championship

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

According to Motorsport.com reports


SERGIO PEREZ TO REMAIN WITH RED BULL AFTER CRUNCH F1 TALKS
In a Monday meeting Red Bull has decided against replacing Sergio Perez during the summer break

Blimey, don’t know what to think about that.

On one hand, traditionally it’s always difficult for a driver to join mid season and get up to speed, on the other, Sergio is pants

[dba]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

According to Motorsport.com reports


SERGIO PEREZ TO REMAIN WITH RED BULL AFTER CRUNCH F1 TALKS
In a Monday meeting Red Bull has decided against replacing Sergio Perez during the summer break

Good for Checo. But if Red Bull aren't World Champions by season's end, I believe he'll be gone. The money he brings with him can't be enough to overhaul the amount the team gets for being World Champions.

If my company's name is on the car, and I can correlate not being able to use "World Champion" in my advertising, due to his lack of performance, I don't think I'll be the only sponsor to leave.

[SDGT3]

A cost analysis must have been done by RBR. Perez has cost them 3.6m British Pounds in damage so far, the most on the F1 grid. Going from 1st to 2nd in the Constructors title will net 9m less. It's reported that Perez brings in 33m in sponsorship so it's still a positive cash flow but what does a company like RB that makes multi billions a year care about an extra 20m in sponsorship?

[INC]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

A cost analysis must have been done by RBR. Perez has cost them 3.6m British Pounds in damage so far, the most on the F1 grid. Going from 1st to 2nd in the Constructors title will net 9m less. It's reported that Perez brings in 33m in sponsorship so it's still a positive cash flow but what does a company like RB that makes multi billions a year care about an extra 20m in sponsorship?

I think this RB is a piece of junk compared to previous models. Even though VER can sometimes do miracles even with this, it wouldn't matter if they hadn't collected so many points at the beginning of the year. I have a feeling that this broken RB team feels and knows this. So, if TSU/RIC/LAW couldn't do MUCH better in this car than PER, then it would be a huge bummer.

On the other hand, of course, it's true that 20M plus doesn't necessarily mean much, but if RIC doesn't bring 20M, that's exactly 20M arguments against signing him, especially if he might cause even more damage with a car he doesn't know. And from this point of view, it is not the size of the concern that matters, but the cost cup. Especially if it turns out that 20M was thrown out the window for this purpose...

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

I think this RB is a piece of junk compared to previous models. Even though VER can sometimes do miracles even with this, it wouldn't matter if they hadn't collected so many points at the beginning of the year.

The car is still quicker than last years car and won 7 races at the start of the season so had the speed. Others have caught up though, so its not a matter of the red bull being a 'piece of junk', but more of others developing quicker, probably partly down to the new rule set allowing them more wind tunnel and development time.

On average pre miami (last time i saw a comparison) the Red bull was on average 0.6 seconds per lap quicker than this time last year (all tracks combined) but the mercedes was 1.5 seconds a lap quicker, mclaren 1.2 seconds a lap quicker and ferrari 0.8 seconds a lap quicker.

I know from your previous posts that you tend to spin things so red bull is awful and its max saving the day, which is fine because its your opinion but a bit of balance and reality wouldn't go amiss. The RB is still one hell of a car, one that most of the grid would jump at the chance to drive