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[huncho]

Lewis' reaction to the crash, reminds me of Senna's reaction to Ratzenberger's crash. could just tell he knew

https://twitter.com/AlertaRacing/sta...32731444830219

[Rolex Essex]

What a fantastic race by Leclerc, a few more laps and Hamilton would’ve eaten him. So glad Ferrari finally made the call for Vettel to allow Leclerc to pass him in the 2nd stint.
Absolutely gutted for Norris to retire on the last lap as he could’ve finished 5th and superb race for Albon overtaking Perez on the final lap. Well deserved his seat in the RB.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Rolex Essex

What a fantastic race by Leclerc, a few more laps and Hamilton would’ve eaten him. So glad Ferrari finally made the call for Vettel to allow Leclerc to pass him in the 2nd stint.
Absolutely gutted for Norris to retire on the last lap as he could’ve finished 5th and superb race for Albon overtaking Perez on the final lap. Well deserved his seat in the RB.

Vettel did a great job holding up Hamilton to allow Charles to build that gap. The extra second in the pits for Lewis was probably crucial too.

[texasmade]

Ferrari with the decisive strategy call this time. They normally get paralyzed in those situations but they finally man’d up and told the slower lead driver to gtfo of the way.

That last lap was weird with Giovanazzi crashing and Lando stopping.

[Rock]

Anybody know what happened to Ricciardo? Something about hit from behind.

[texasmade]

Got hit on lap 1 and was forced to pit immediately. He ran the same set of tires for the remaining 43 laps.

[SpeakWithMichael]

[goin camping]

Originally Posted by sillo38

I've heard rumors floating of Nico to Haas, but again just rumors.

I believe Fernando is available.

While no fan of his personality. His driving is amazing. I think Haas would benefit from his knowledge and he could benefit from the ride.

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by goin camping

I believe Fernando is available.



While no fan of his personality. His driving is amazing. I think Haas would benefit from his knowledge and he could benefit from the ride.

I don’t really understand what he’s doing. He says he wants to race, he still has the skill, but he bet on the wrong horse and lost, but he’s not really moving on. The WEC isn’t F1. I thought he would get into an Indy Car team and give that a go. He could have won on his first outing, surely he sees that as a challenge to take up? Perhaps the teams don’t want him?


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[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I don’t really understand what he’s doing. He says he wants to race, he still has the skill, but he bet on the wrong horse and lost, but he’s not really moving on. The WEC isn’t F1. I thought he would get into an Indy Car team and give that a go. He could have won on his first outing, surely he sees that as a challenge to take up? Perhaps the teams don’t want him?


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I agree. He's a very skilled driver.

[goin camping]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

I don’t really understand what he’s doing. He says he wants to race, he still has the skill, but he bet on the wrong horse and lost, but he’s not really moving on. The WEC isn’t F1. I thought he would get into an Indy Car team and give that a go. He could have won on his first outing, surely he sees that as a challenge to take up? Perhaps the teams don’t want him?


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I had the impression that he was trying to get away from his bad choice to jump into a back field car.

Amazing talent... Bad decisions in abundance about what team to join.

[Zakalwe]

Looking forward to this GP weekend. The bookies have Leclerc as favourite for the race and favour Ferrari heavily for qualifying, because Monza is a power-sensitive track with a couple of long straights.

I’m not so sure. Whilst I think Ferrari will be strong, there are reasons to think Merc will be better in quali compared to Belgium. At Spa Ferrari monstered the section from turn 1 to the end of the Kemmel straight via Eau Rouge because they have the best engine and straight line traction, but were aided by the fact that turn one is a slow hairpin, making the exit a drag race, which suits their car. At Monza the two straights are preceded by the Ascari chicane and the Parabolica respectively, which are high speed corners that heavily favour Mercedes. So in theory the Mercs will enter the straights at a higher speed than the Ferraris. No doubt the Ferrari engine power will make that lost time back up by the end of the straight, but since the Mercs are clearly going to be faster round the rest of the lap, you could argue the layout might favour Merc.

I could be completely wrong, but I do expect quali to be much closer than at Spa. The value bet if you’re a punter is Bottas on pole.

[OttawaSteve]

Following FP1- lots of rain around and the current prediction is a wet race on Sunday. Wonderful news, as wet races tend to be very entertaining.

[Rashid.bk]

Leclerc is a beast, but in Q2 Ham is gettin it in. If they want that pole position Mercedes is making sure you have to physically rip it form their hands.
Q3, Go Ham!!!

Also Happy for Riccardo's results during quals.

[sillo]

That F3 crash was insane. https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...tuhd/f3_crash/

Also some really sad and troubling news from Juan Maneul Correa's family. Currently in a induced coma on a ECMO machine.

Leclerc is looking really strong here, hopefully Ferrari can get the tow right for these final Q3 runs.

[sillo]

Well that kinda sucked. Pumped that Leclerc is on pole, but I feel robbed of the usual Q3 final runs.

[Peter Toronto]

I’ve never seen anything like that before. Dramatic but disappointing. I would have been very upset if I was there.


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[Peter Toronto]

I smell penalties or a rule change coming in the future.


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[texasmade]

What a disaster for Q3.

[Rashid.bk]

Well that sucked. Anticlimactic to say the least. Leclerc is razor sharp in that Ferrari. So it looks like we'll have a serious race tomorrow. First laps will decide the outcome.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Peter Toronto

I smell penalties

Who are they really going to penalize though, everyone? They were all complicit in the mess and anybody could've decided to pass the pack and get on with their out lap. Instead everyone was rock hard for a tow and they all missed out.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Who are they really going to penalize though, everyone? They were all complicit in the mess and anybody could've decided to pass the pack and get on with their out lap. Instead everyone was rock hard for a tow and they all missed out.

Except for Sainz

[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo38

That F3 crash was insane. https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...tuhd/f3_crash/

Also some really sad and troubling news from Juan Maneul Correa's family. Currently in a induced coma on a ECMO machine.

This morning’s incident, fresh on the heels of last weekend’s tragic one, is unprecedented in the modern era.

Today’s is down to utter negligence on the organizers IMHO. Totally avoidable as opposed to the collision last weekend.

A tall sausage to enforce track limits is unfathomable. It’s incumbent on the FIA safety steward to require removal of such an impediment before 1st Practice (unless it was added sometime since Thursday).

So both the organizer and FIA should be brought to account for this.

Back to Correa - I’m hoping against hope that this is therapeutic to help healing without the pain he was suffering after the surgeries.


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[erhein]

I follow F1, but I'm sure there are many here who understand the various strategies better than I do. Is there something about the Monza track that makes a tow more important than on other tracks? Why did no one want to be the first one out and run in clean air, especially given that the clock was winding down. I apologize if this was covered by the commentators, but I turn the sound down very low. Their babbling drives me crazy.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by erhein

I follow F1, but I'm sure there are many here who understand the various strategies better than I do. Is there something about the Monza track that makes a tow more important than on other tracks? Why did no one want to be the first one out and run in clean air, especially given that the clock was winding down. I apologize if this was covered by the commentators, but I turn the sound down very low. Their babbling drives me crazy.

It’s the fastest track, by average speed, on the calendar and the cars are at full throttle more than on any other track (80%) because there aren’t many turns. Few turns means fewer chances for cars to gain time through anything other than brute power, increasing the value of a tow.

Most other tracks have none, one or at most two sections where cars can get any kind of a tow whereas at Monza there are four - the Curva Grande, the section from the second Lesmo to the Ascari Chicane, the back straight and the main straight.

Finally, particular to this year, the rules changed requiring enlargement of the front and rear wings which increases the speed delta granted by a tow on any given track compared to recent years. It’s this latter factor that is probably the reason for the Q3 debacle and why it’s never happened before.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Finally, particular to this year, the rules changed requiring enlargement of the front and rear wings which increases the speed delta granted by a tow on any given track compared to recent years. It’s this latter factor that is probably the reason for the Q3 debacle and why it’s never happened before.

Agreed, this is the biggest point. The cars have been big in the turbo hybrid era and have only gotten bigger and more powerful every year. The cars are creating huge wakes and have so much aero that slipstreams create big advantages at tracks that don’t rely on downforce.

[erhein]

Thank you both for that great explanation. Makes perfect sense. I re-watched the documentary "Senna" last night. Such a difference between the cars and how they were driven then, and the cars today. I was more into F1 in the early '80's and attended Monaco in 1982 and 1983. In 1983, my wife and I sat in the small grandstand between the exit of the tunnel and the chicane. My wife was five months pregnant at the time. I remember that on the first lap when the cars were still relatively bunched up, the sound of them passing by was so loud, I thought we were going to vibrate ourselves apart and end up a heap of molecules on the ground. I lost interest through the "90's and regained interest about 10 to 15 years ago. Thanks again for the explanation.

[77T]

The “tow” is particularly useful in Qualifying - and a double tow even more so. This led to the fiasco in the final minutes of Q3 at Monza yesterday.

With that, plus strategy to be the last guy to cross the timing control line for the final flying lap, you get stupid tactics.

No matter what the wing width, or the car aero, or any other thing - it is the track characteristic that rewards drivers in the tow - longer high speed straights mean tow is king.

This thing about the front wing width began when FIA decided to ban multiple element endplates to manage air flow around the front tires. So they permitted an extra 100mm - not “required” but permitted. At any rate they look like what FIA wanted because aero dictates the best element array to use between the new legal endplates.

Reprimands were applied to Hulkenberg, Sainz and Stroll for their antics. The Stewards also advised FIA they “strongly recommend that the FIA expedite a solution to this type of situation”.


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[Rolex Essex]

Well solid victory by Leclerc. Kept both Mercedes behind him and handled the huge pressure from Hamilton.
Absolute top class driver. Vettel is just an embarrassment.

[buckrogers0025]

Originally Posted by Rolex Essex

Well solid victory by Leclerc. Kept both Mercedes behind him and handled the huge pressure from Hamilton.
Absolute top class driver. Vettel is just an embarrassment.

I was going to comment on the race, as well. But, this about covers it