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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by joli160

A race in the rain, nice for a change.

Some season this is, best I can remember.

First half was dull as dishwater, second half has been brilliant.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Sorry bro, I hope they are good words

Verstappen notches up another penalty.

Seems like Verstappen's idea of pushing the boundaries are just crashing through the boundaries with the hope that the stewards will not enforce the boundaries.

Such a blatant and contumelious approach is justification for higher or harsher penalties from the stewards.
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What is needed is not just a 5 or 10 or 20 second penalty but the deduction of WDC points to have the appropriate level of deterrence and accountability for illegal activity.

I guess Max wants to do what his father couldn't do...!?!? (and already has)..-
Just say'in..

[77T]

For context on VER VSC infringement, the visual impression did make the scale look very bad. However, when the FIA light panels changed to green, VER was only 0.63 seconds below the minimum time at VSC End.

This was an advantage but not at such a scale deserving an extraordinary penalty. In some mitigation, VER attempted to correct the error but failed to do so by the point that the panels turned green.

5sec. was right for this one.

Some wags have suggested that PIA may have tried to induce a penalty for VER by lagging back. Supposedly to give NOR more space in case VER did overtake PIA...but Stewards reviewed telemetry and the 0.63 was not a result of the car in front falling back.


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

For context on VER VSC infringement, the visual impression did make the scale look very bad. However, when the FIA light panels changed to green, VER was only 0.63 seconds below the minimum time at VSC End.

This was an advantage but not at such a scale deserving an extraordinary penalty. In some mitigation, VER attempted to correct the error but failed to do so by the point that the panels turned green.

5sec. was right for this one.

Some wags have suggested that PIA may have tried to induce a penalty for VER by lagging back. Supposedly to give NOR more space in case VER did overtake PIA...but Stewards reviewed telemetry and the 0.63 was not a result of the car in front falling back.

He said in mitigation that he was tried to correct his delta before the green, but the only reason he needed to do this is befause he tried to overtake piastri under vsc.

Silly by max


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Agreed 5 seconds was correct.

My biggest issue with maxs move isnt the time, its the fact the track was yellow as a former marshal i really dislike drivers ignoring yellow flags/ taking advantage of them. He shouldnt have been trying to race piastri at that point

[77T]

I share your concern if you meant Lap 22 when the 3 leaders approached HUL's parked car covered by double waved yellows - just before the VSC.

PIA had just swapped places with NOR and VER was climbing up PIA's tailpipe.

Remember, HUL exits the car just before then - upgrading from a single yellow - and which demanded a VSC at minimum.

VER's penalty was for being under the VSC minimum at slow, safe speeds a lap later.

If I had telemetry showing NOR-PIA-VER came through there on Lap 22 without a measurable lift on accel. then LEC would be the winner after 10 sec penalties were applied!


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[Lol-x]

only 0.63
A lot of races that can make the difference in winning or losing, overtaking or not.
Verstappen knew exactly what he was doing.

[INC]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Maybe he likes boring choo choo trains. The more exciting it gets, the more he threatens to leave, the more he cant cope with the competition and runs them off track.

I don't think it's a tactic. He's always said he doesn't want to stay in F1 for long, he'll be there as long as he enjoys racing. And he said this when RBR was on the absolut top and practically had no opponents on the racetrack. That's why what I'm writing isn't about Max, because whether he's there or not, the three round circus will go on. However, I think that if this kind of refereeing and rule interpretation continues, then F1 will drown in boredom. You know, with the current cars, it is practically impossible to overtake if even small tricks and mistakes will be be penelized in this way. This way it will be unnecessary to run the races. In my view, the question now is not whether Monaco will remain on the race calendar, but whether the goal is to make every race as boring as that is?

Originally Posted by Talon84

VERY IMPORTANT to note here. The stewards who awarded the penalty ARE NOT the race director who called the VSC start and end. They act independantly.

Thanks for noting this. You know, I think this is a problem, because I think such a race should be controlled from a single place. I'm sure of only one thing, that something needs to be changed, because most of the races are no longer enjoyable. And I'm writing all this because last year I wanted to see such a season, the one when the drivers are fighting for victory. And while it seems true this year, but we still do not see a race for winning. Somebody gets the lead, and wins, and that is all. For me, this is still not a race for victory, but just safety driving on the track.

But as usual, it is my humble opinion only

[77T]

Agree Steve - he was trying to get every advantage. In every rule there is a crack that a creative team or driver bends (but not beyond the breaking point).

Under VSC, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU at least once in each marshalling sector. What we can see visually is some yo-yo'g. And then at the sector of the track that defines the next marshal sector line he lifts to make his delta.

Drivers must be above the minimum time when the FIA light panels change to green. This is what caught VER out of bounds per the rules. It was obvious on TV because he almost touched wheels with PIA.

0.63 at 30-40% of normal speed is not much of an advantage, thus the minimal penalty.

Not defending - just sharing a slice of explaining.


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[INC]

For the record: It is a huge help for the teams and especially for RBR that there will be a qualification and they will not start the race based on the P1 results.

For so: Many thanks to the directors and assistants and all the crew to participate in this changes!

Anyway, I will be wondering if in such weather conditions the afternoon race can be held. I think, it is possible that it was brought earlier so that if a qually cannot be held, then the race will be canceled by default.

(Ps.: I hate the spell checkers and grammar tools, I usually have to re-correct their nonsense twice.)

[Lol-x]

travelling @ 80mph for just 0.63 seconds = 73.71 feet which is a few car lengths advantage.

[INC]

Thank you all, that's all Formula 1 for me. Maybe I'll look back in 2026, until then have fun everyone :)

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

Thank you all, that's all Formula 1 for me. Maybe I'll look back in 2026, until then have fun everyone :)

Why? Because max isn’t winning?

It’s his fault they didn’t set a lap time, they left it late and stroll went off. That’s the risk you run when you want to get the best track conditions.

The session has been red flagged three times for 3 incidents. Lando was on the bubble first time, outside second time, max the third….so don’t start trying to claim bias and all that rubbish when the British driver was at risk 2 out of 3 times

Half an hour ago you were PRAISING the stewards for getting the session started so they didn’t revert to FP1 times where max would have started last. LOL

Take the tin foil hat off

[Lol-x]

Very eventful qualifying!!
Such a lot of action and surprises and some great driving in very difficult conditions.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by INC

Thank you all, that's all Formula 1 for me. Maybe I'll look back in 2026, until then have fun everyone :)

There is still hope, remember the master class at Interlagos 2016

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Very eventful qualifying!!
Such a lot of action and surprises and some great driving in very difficult conditions.
:cheeers:

Yup was a really fun qualifying.

Max questioing the stewards i see….

….to put it simply, albons, alonsos, colapintos crashes set off the G Sensor which automatically triggers the red flag, carloss car was in direct line for any driver that went off at turn 1, close to the edge of the circuit.

Stroll was given more time because he was trying to recover, his car was further off the track and the g sensor hadnt gone off so it doesnt automatically set off the red flag

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by joli160

There is still hope, remember the master class at Interlagos 2016

I still expect max to win. You can overtake around interlagos, he was blisteringly quick in the rain and will probably start 14th at worst with 5 cars ahead of him in the parts bin right now. No way all those cars will be rebuilt before the start of the race

[enjoythemusic]

Speaking of guys who were honest racers yet never got the title(s) they deserved... and suffered from team orders to help MS...

Rubins

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Speaking of guys who were honest racers yet never got the title(s) they deserved... and suffered from team orders to help MS...

Rubins

Brilliant fella, truly nice guy. It’s fun seeing him around the paddock with his lad who’s climbing his way ip the junior ladder at the moment

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Brilliant fella, truly nice guy. It’s fun seeing him around the paddock with his lad who’s climbing his way ip the junior ladder at the moment

+1

Rubins truly loves the track and it's interesting about Brazilian drivers and how they help their community.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

travelling @ 80mph for just 0.63 seconds = 73.71 feet which is a few car lengths advantage.

Definitely - I couldn't say with precision how many feet VER was astern of PIA when the VSC boards/lights went up.

It appeared to me VER was 0.7-ish astern.

But to be fair, he tries to get every advantage under VSC and this time was not in conformance.

Now that we have the grid set, I expect more VSC and/or SC periods if the circuit stays wet or new rains come.

Strategy will be complex.


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

Definitely - I couldn't say with precision how many feet VER was astern of PIA when the VSC boards/lights went up.

It appeared to me VER was 0.7-ish astern.

But to be fair, he tries to get every advantage under VSC and this time was not in conformance.

Now that we have the grid set, I expect more VSC and/or SC periods if the circuit stays wet or new rains come.

Strategy will be complex.


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Biggest issue for me is VSC is technically a safety car/ yellow flag…drivers shouldn’t be racing/ trying to take advantage under a yellow flag.

Tbh I don’t know why they don’t adopt the WEC countdown system that seems to work really well

[Talon84]

Well.

Stroll is being consistant and unbiased today.

Accident in qually costs Max
Accident in the race costs Lando

[77T]

Originally Posted by Talon;

[Tbh I don’t know why they don’t adopt the WEC countdown system that seems to work really well

F1 had Eduardo for a year and let him return to WEC.

In the mess...

47) ABORTED START
47.1 If the formation lap has started, and the Race Director decides the start should be aborted, the
abort lights will be switched on, a board saying “ABORTED START” will be displayed, all cars
should return to the grid and all Competitors will be informed of the likely delay using the official
messaging system. The starting procedure will begin again at the ten (10) minute signal point.
Every time this happens the sprint session or the race will be shortened by one (1) lap.
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[enjoythemusic]

What if HAM decides to 'accidently' take out VER.... payback baby!

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

F1 had Eduardo for a year and let him return to WEC.

In the mess...

47) ABORTED START
47.1 If the formation lap has started, and the Race Director decides the start should be aborted, the
abort lights will be switched on, a board saying “ABORTED START” will be displayed, all cars
should return to the grid and all Competitors will be informed of the likely delay using the official
messaging system. The starting procedure will begin again at the ten (10) minute signal point.
Every time this happens the sprint session or the race will be shortened by one (1) lap.
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Eduardo is a fab race director. Glad they’d just stuck with one now though.

Be interesting to see what the penalty is for Lando (and others?)

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

What if HAM decides to 'accidently' take out VER.... payback baby!

INC would crap himself and never watch F1 the rest of his existence


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

INC would crap himself and never watch F1 the rest of his existence


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[Talon84]

RED FLAG….bought out just as Lando pits and Max gets past

SuCH A fiX…..BiASSeD StEEwaRds….

German race director….Germans have always hated the Brits
Argentinian driver….they hate us too.

That’s how it works, right?! :-p

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by Talon84

I still expect max to win. You can overtake around interlagos, he was blisteringly quick in the rain and will probably start 14th at worst with 5 cars ahead of him in the parts bin right now. No way all those cars will be rebuilt before the start of the race

Called it!

Shame INC wasn’t around to watch it!

[1st amg]

Man…what a drive by that slime ball. Impressed beyond words. Great for Alpine, apparently 50million more for the team


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