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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by joli160

No penalty for Norris and the others … ridiculous.
For sure penalizing three Brits was too much for the non biased stewards.

Also no penalty for the red bull junior drivers either but dont let that get in the way of you accusing biased stewards.

Before throwing the whole bias thing, can you tell me what penalty should have been applied and what section/ rule was broken along with the president for the rule breach which would give an indication of the penalty?

Or do you just want them to make stuff up so you feel better?

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Oh, I haven't even gotten into the "It's coming home" in the world of football in the past 2 Euros and WC for the Brits. I've got more... I'm pacing myself

Firstly, its english….secondly, cant stand football so fire away on that one

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[1st amg]

This thread is alive! This season has been above and beyond entertaining. Controversy and drama every single race.


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[77T]

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[77T]

Originally Posted by joli160

No penalty for Norris and the others … ridiculous.
For sure penalizing three Brits was too much for the non biased stewards.

There were penalties to NOR, RUS, for aborted start issues.
And to MB Team for tire pressure bleeds.

[SDGT3]

NOR and RUS fined 5k. Apparently entering a closed track with safety equipment and marshals is half as dangerous as cursing in an interview. Seems appropriate.

[enjoythemusic]

All whatever aside, the teams, and especially the drivers, were truly put to a challenge due to Brazil's wet conditions / new surface. Keeping the car fast while pointing in the correct direction surely was not easy. Bravo gents

[Lol-x]

An strong confidence inspiring win for Verstappen.
A demoralising loss for Norris.

A little bit of luck, or not, can make a difference, but Verstappen is a great wet weather driver.

Such an unfortunate timed pit stop for Norris, but unlike Verstappen, Norris couldn't cut through the field to regain position.

[djona]

Thrilling race today! As a McLaren fan, I have to commend Max for climbing from p17 to p1 in the wet. Excited to see the action live this year in Vegas.

[OG1982]

Very entertaining stuff. Max drove extremely well, but lets not kid ourselves that he was very lucky to get the red flag and free pit stop as a result. I guess you make your own luck.

But as someone who watches F1 from afar, Max seems to always get the rub of the green. Think back to the shambles that handed him his first title on the last lap, think about his team breaking the budget rules a few seasons ago and not suffering any real consequences.

I don’t blame Max for any of that, like I said you make your own luck in sport. I blame the people that run the sport and the inconsistencies we see week after week.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by OG1982

But as someone who watches F1 from afar, Max seems to always get the rub of the green. Think back to the shambles that handed him his first title on the last lap, think about his team breaking the budget rules a few seasons ago and not suffering any real consequences.

I don’t blame Max for any of that, like I said you make your own luck in sport. I blame the people that run the sport and the inconsistencies we see week after week.

Hmmmm in the interest of fairness i dont think thats completely true. Just look to earlier in the day where the red flag came out (was still red bulls fault for leaving it too late, as you say you make your own luck, or bad luck in that case)

Cant remember who said it, but its something along the lines of 'successful people always seem to be the lucky ones'

Is it luck, or is it playing the percentages, making a calculated decision and putting yourself in with a chance. Max, red bull and even russell knew there was a high chance of a red flag during the race, all they had to do was wait it out and not be the cause of the red flag!

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

NOR and RUS fined 5k. Apparently entering a closed track with safety equipment and marshals is half as dangerous as cursing in an interview. Seems appropriate.

As ive asked below, what penalty would you have given them, based on what president, following what guidelines and rules? You cant just make it up.

Problem is, sometimes the rule book doesn't envisage such issues so there is no appropriate penalty, often when that is the case they revert back to fining the teams or drivers as a slap on the wrist to say dont do it again.

We almost had the same situation in the morning if qualifying hadnt run. There was no rule or president for what would happen if it was too wet....what would they base the qualifying order on? On a normal weekend it would revert to FP1 results but on a sprint weekend theres nothing in the rules for that. If theyd have picked the FP1 result then Red Bull would have been up in arms and probably contested the whole thing hence why everyone was so eager to get qualifying in.

[SDGT3]

“The harder I work, the luckier I get.”

~ Samuel Goldwyn

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

As ive asked below, what penalty would you have given them, based on what president, following what guidelines and rules? You cant just make it up.

Problem is, sometimes the rule book doesn't envisage such issues so there is no appropriate penalty, often when that is the case they revert back to fining the teams or drivers as a slap on the wrist to say dont do it again.

We almost had the same situation in the morning if qualifying hadnt run. There was no rule or president for what would happen if it was too wet....what would they base the qualifying order on? On a normal weekend it would revert to FP1 results but on a sprint weekend theres nothing in the rules for that. If theyd have picked the FP1 result then Red Bull would have been up in arms and probably contested the whole thing hence why everyone was so eager to get qualifying in.

My comment wasn’t so much about the on track transgressions but rather the crack down on swearing and subsequent fines associated with it. To equate swearing to the same penalty as above on track activity is silly IMO.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

My comment wasn’t so much about the on track transgressions but rather the crack down on swearing and subsequent fines associated with it. To equate swearing to the same penalty as above on track activity is silly IMO.

Ok then, lets rephrase it, what other penalty would you have given for swearing on live TV and not apologising when millions of kids are watching around the world?

Broadcasters are fined for such indiscretions whether its their own pundits or people they are interviewing and In certain jobs you get reprimanded for offensive language, so its fair to try and clampdown on drivers doing it needlessly, no?

The fia have had a clampdown on several things over the years including jewellery, underwear, branding etc, swearing (which lets be frank has got wayyyy too common over the last few years) is just the latest one.

And dont feel like F1 and Max are being picked on, this is across the board in Rally, Sportscars, karting etc etc

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

“The harder I work, the luckier I get.”

~ Samuel Goldwyn

Its good to see you using GP Blog, a British Media outlet with a British editor in chief to show that the British media do write nice things about max

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Ok then, lets rephrase it, what other penalty would you have given for swearing on live TV and not apologising when millions of kids are watching around the world?

Broadcasters are fined for such indiscretions whether its their own pundits or people they are interviewing and In certain jobs you get reprimanded for offensive language, so its fair to try and clampdown on drivers doing it needlessly, no?

The fia have had a clampdown on several things over the years including jewellery, underwear, branding etc, swearing (which lets be frank has got wayyyy too common over the last few years) is just the latest one.

And dont feel like F1 and Max are being picked on, this is across the board in Rally, Sportscars, karting etc etc

what other sport has their athletes mic'd up in real time in the middle of their play/sport going on? The radio messages are also delayed, so the broadcaster not only has time to decide to air it or not, but also to edit it. It's on the broadcaster if they decide to air things that are said in the heat of battle or bleep it out. In a news conference, it's a different story, but as we just saw last week with true gentleman such as Leclerc, things sometimes slip. Remember, it's not their first language, so there should be some discretion on that.

Originally Posted by Talon84

Its good to see you using GP Blog, a British Media outlet with a British editor in chief to show that the British media do write nice things about max

I used GP Blog because it's in English so you could easily understand. Also, it's not an opinion, but a fact. If you look around this morning, you'll see high praise from HAM and well as LEC, the latter saying that the credit should all go to the driver (Max) and not the car for yesterday's performance.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

what other sport has their athletes mic'd up in real time in the middle of their play/sport going on? The radio messages are also delayed, so the broadcaster not only has time to decide to air it or not, but also to edit it. It's on the broadcaster if they decide to air things that are said in the heat of battle or bleep it out. In a news conference, it's a different story, but as we just saw last week with true gentleman such as Leclerc, things sometimes slip. Remember, it's not their first language, so there should be some discretion on that.



I used GP Blog because it's in English so you could easily understand. Also, it's not an opinion, but a fact. If you look around this morning, you'll see high praise from HAM and well as LEC, the latter saying that the credit should all go to the driver (Max) and not the car for yesterday's performance.

Thats the thing

Id understand max swearing if it was heat of the moment stuff in the car....

...but it wasnt, it was pre race in a driver press conference, so you cant even use the micced up excuse!

As you said yourself, in a news conference its different :-)...dont think you can blame it not being their first language. F**K C**T and others are pretty universal

And yes, Maxs drive yesterday was phenominal, not one person ive seen has said otherwise, including the brits and his rivals.


Last time i saw a drive like that it was Turkey 2020 from Hamilton where his teammate spent most of the race spinning and being lapped in the same car. A drive fitting for someone equalling Schumachers tally of 7 Championships

[rmlovett1]

Definitely enjoyed watching this race! Max isn’t my favorite, but respect given!

Committed to something I originally thought we’d not participate in, but had a good opportunity come about and we’re heading to the Vegas GP.
That’ll make all three US races seen in person this year. Hopefully get to some overseas races next year.

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by rmlovett1

Definitely enjoyed watching this race! Max isn’t my favorite, but respect given!

Committed to something I originally thought we’d not participate in, but had a good opportunity come about and we’re heading to the Vegas GP.
That’ll make all three US races seen in person this year. Hopefully get to some overseas races next year.

Thats amazing Richard! Wait until you see a European race....that will blow your mind. Very very different

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Thats amazing Richard! Wait until you see a European race....that will blow your mind. Very very different

Atmosphere in Britain and Italy are brilliant, dont think it rivals Indianapolis but still pretty special.

Actually Brazil looked amazing yesterday fan wise too.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Ok then, lets rephrase it, what other penalty would you have given for swearing on live TV and not apologising when millions of kids are watching around the world?

Broadcasters are fined for such indiscretions whether its their own pundits or people they are interviewing and In certain jobs you get reprimanded for offensive language, so its fair to try and clampdown on drivers doing it needlessly, no?

The fia have had a clampdown on several things over the years including jewellery, underwear, branding etc, swearing (which lets be frank has got wayyyy too common over the last few years) is just the latest one.

And dont feel like F1 and Max are being picked on, this is across the board in Rally, Sportscars, karting etc etc

You touch on something we hate to adjudicate - the "sideshow".

It's gone to the ridiculous, I agree. But why curb the speech? If F1 can give us telemetry in microseconds - let the broadcasters fix their problems.

As for protecting the kids ears, I'm guessing everyone knows what they hear at the front of every garage (while holding out a hat or shirt for an autograph) would never make it past censors

BTW, SAI's lower underwear was seen on TV before Sunday Quali - OMG...the horror!


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

You touch on something we hate to adjudicate - the "sideshow".

It's gone to the ridiculous, I agree. But why curb the speech? If F1 can give us telemetry in microseconds - let the broadcasters fix their problems.

As for protecting the kids ears, I'm guessing everyone knows what they hear at the front of every garage (while holding out a hat or shirt for an autograph) would never make it past censors

BTW, SAI's lower underwear was seen on TV before Sunday Quali - OMG...the horror!


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haha dont disagree but its something that has always been there....

...how many times were drivers, managers, engineers etc fined or banned for 'bringing the sport into disrepute' over the years.

They have more specific penalties these days but its always been there in the background, its just more visible these days with socials.

Interesting though that such a big deal has been made over this. When Wolff and Vasseur got in trouble for their language earlier in the year they took the slap on the wrist and apologised

Curbing free speech? dont think they have, Max and other drivers can still get their point across, but no need to swear....there are plenty more words in the dictionary that are just as succinct at getting a point across.

I vote for bringing back cobblers and balderdash

[77T]

Well I agree we don't need to spend a lot of time on this.

But when the referral comes - there doesn't seem to be a list of the deadly words along with the corresponding penalty.

For reference:



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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

Well I agree we don't need to spend a lot of time on this.

But when the referral comes - there doesn't seem to be a list of the deadly words along with the corresponding penalty.

For reference:



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Ha very true. but based on that list, i think the appropriate penalties were applied to max and charles.

Charles apologised straight away after the race while still running on adrenaline so got the second most lenient penalty

Max didnt apologise and it wasnt heat of the moment stuff, in a controlled environment so got a slightly higher penalty

neither driver warranted the higher 11 penalties.

Stewards made the correct decisions in my eyes

Thanks for that document tho, just shows the range of available options and why from the outside things can seem inconsistent when actually there are several levels of penalty depending on the nuance of the infraction

[SDGT3]

Two words: Gunther Steiner


I don’t believe he’s ever been sanctioned, yet, he’s become world famous because of his “vocabulary”, or lack thereof. Surely, we have to monitor him but for the children, no?

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Two words: Gunther Steiner


I don’t believe he’s ever been sanctioned, yet, he’s become world famous because of his “vocabulary”, or lack thereof. Surely, we have to monitor him but for the children, no?

Theres a time and a place. Live on tv….dont do it, if its a drive to survive episode where it can be bleeped out or have an age rating then crack on.

Dont know whats so controvertial about the fia clamping down on it. Its not needed, is a bad influence on kids and unprofessional. Most drivers dont do it, most sports sanction you for it.

Theres a reason why every country has age ratings for movies, pre and post 9pm programming on tv, its also why drive to survive has an age rating of 15+, whereas live races dont.

But hey, if youre fine with it, enjoy.

[Robinn]

I love wet races, it is certainly bad to watch so many people get into prangs but I always feel that it displays a driver's skill more than other races do.

[INC]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Why? Because max isn’t winning?

Not at all. I don't care who wins, but I hate cheating. The "red flag" was shown EXACTLY when the McLarens were able to run for a better lap, but rigth BEFORE the RBR could run their laps. And precisely so that the practice can no longer continue. At that point I simply turned off the TV and that was it. This is no longer a race, but the director's instruction of "Drive to survive" to have a bigger drama for the season finale.

In a tv series.

Thanks, I don't care, I do not watch soap operas at all.

Half an hour ago you were PRAISING the stewards for getting the session started so they didn’t revert to FP1 times where max would have started last. LOL

I didn't say that. I wrote that the date of the race may have been changed in order to cancel it, if there will be such bad weather conditions. In addition, I also wrote that they did RBR a big favor by doing so. However during P2, when they show the red flag right after that, when the McLarens were JUST able to improve their time, and the RBRs JUST couldn't, it was a big NO for me.

This is NOT fair. Anyone can do anything. Run into a red light, play with the tyre pressure, it's not a problem, it's not a mistake, it's not cheating. The only penalty is just a very minor fine for the team. PROVIDED the driver or team has some connection to the UK.

Anyway, Max did what we could have expected of him.

He simply won with a 20 second lead to ensure that no amount of penalty points could take away the victory from him. It was a statement, not a manifesto. By the STAR who WARS against everyone else. In other words, it was the biggest of all time without ever saying a single four-letter word. I think this was the real satisfaction for him, that he "showed" it to the people he wanted to show it to.

And just for the record. Nor drove like a rookie with a dodgem on the ice. And it was a joke that no one came close to this RBR car that had escaped from the junkyard. Tiregate is probably not just a rumor, but it may be true. As everyone's wheels get wet, it suddenly turns out that they are not that fast.

At the end of the day, this was a very cool end of my F1 watching era. Till 2026