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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

Not at all. I don't care who wins, but I hate cheating. The "red flag" was shown EXACTLY when the McLarens were able to run for a better lap, but rigth BEFORE the RBR could run their laps. And precisely so that the practice can no longer continue. At that point I simply turned off the TV and that was it. This is no longer a race, but the director's instruction of "Drive to survive" to have a bigger drama for the season finale.

In a tv series.

Thanks, I don't care, I do not watch soap operas at all.



I didn't say that. I wrote that the date of the race may have been changed in order to cancel it, if there will be such bad weather conditions. In addition, I also wrote that they did RBR a big favor by doing so. However during P2, when they show the red flag right after that, when the McLarens were JUST able to improve their time, and the RBRs JUST couldn't, it was a big NO for me.

This is NOT fair. Anyone can do anything. Run into a red light, play with the tyre pressure, it's not a problem, it's not a mistake, it's not cheating. The only penalty is just a very minor fine for the team. PROVIDED the driver or team has some connection to the UK.

Anyway, Max did what we could have expected of him.

He simply won with a 20 second lead to ensure that no amount of penalty points could take away the victory from him. It was a statement, not a manifesto. By the STAR who WARS against everyone else. In other words, it was the biggest F***Y** of all time without ever saying a single four-letter word. I think this was the real satisfaction for him, that he "showed" it to the people he wanted to show it to.

And just for the record. Nor drove like a rookie with a dodgem on the ice. And it was a joke that no one came close to this RBR car that had escaped from the junkyard. Tiregate is probably not just a rumor, but it may be true. As everyone's wheels get wet, it suddenly turns out that they are not that fast.

At the end of the day, this was a very cool end of my F1 watching era. Till 2026

HAHAHAHAHA YOU HATE CHEATING?……but youre ok with Max running drivers off the track, support RBR when they broke the cost cap genuinely hillarious. Thats the stupidist thing ive read on this forum by quite a long way, even by your standards

Your accusation of cheating over the red flag is shear tin foil hattery……nothing more than a conspiracy theory…ironic since the team you support had a steward who created drama and awarded max his first championship in AD21…..but i bet you dont see that as cheating eh hypocritical much? If you dont like drama, you should have been outraged after 2021 and stopped watching then

Tyre pressures were explained by the fia if you bothered to read the explaination…..but i doubt you will do that because it doesnt suit your agenda. It was their own mistake opening the gates late so teams didnt have time to do their normal prep, hence why they let mercedes off.

Tyregate was debunked by pirelli and the fia after checks throughout the weeknd…..but you know, you wont belive that either

Red bull car escaped from the junkyard….it won the first 7 races convincingly and is one of the top 3 cars currently. Give your head a wobble and the bias a break


Seriously dude, learn to do research, read, take a step back and remove the tinfoil hat

See you in 2026

[INC]

Originally Posted by Talon84

HAHAHAHAHA YOU HATE CHEATING?……but youre ok with Max running drivers off the track

What do you mean by that? I think you remember that recently I wanted to show him a black flag and tell him to get off the track. By the way, I think there is a rule about how many times you can do this without penalty. And according to my memories, Max doesn't usually get penalty points for that. So I don't understand what you meant by that.

support RBR when they broke the cost cap

Me? I said they broke the rules, that was out of the question. However, not only me was, who also said that it was NOT a huge amount, it was not intentional rule breaking, but arose out of a settlement dispute. Also, these were such small amounts, that the design and construction of the car was not involved at all by these costs.

Thats the stupidist thing ive read on this forum by quite a long way, even by your standards

You know when someone has run out of arguments, they start to get personal. I neither need nor have time for that. Accorgingly please let me not to read the rest of your comment, and ignore your posts for the future.

As a farewell till 2026 I would like to state the following. In my view Max is the natural born basic instinct, a genie. Not talented, a genie. A genie is a type of man who can be admired, or hated, because he is full of emotions. This makes him what he is. Therefore he will never be a Schumacher, as the latter pilot was a great help for the engineers. And he never ever will be close to Lauda. Max is NOT a professional pilot, but a four wheeled public danger or an artist who does such things, you can not even believe.

Someone, like me likes this, because I enjoy a PERSONALITY against to a professional pilot, who simply makes his tasks and his job. The reason is simple, they could be simply replaced with a computer. There is no fun with them, because they kill this factor in themself to be professional.

And you can clearly saw in the last race, what is the difference between them.

Max enjoys the race and flies on the racetrack like he does on a swamp buggy racing:



So let me close this answer with this credo:

“We don’t drive and race because it’s cute. We drive and race because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But racing, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for. To quote from Whitman, “O me! O life!… of the questions of these recurring; of the endless trains of the faithless… of cities filled with the foolish; what good amid these, O me, O life?” “Answer. That you are here — that life exists, and identity; that the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse.

Carpe diem.

Seize the day."

This is something that no other driver apart from Max has ever shown in F1. That's why I watched him and I liked him because I saw the passion for the F1. He has a lot of flaws and can be brutally stubborn and aggressive when he doesn't get what he wants. But at least he gives it his all. He wants to win. Is it a shame in the top racing category? If yes, I am on the wrong place in the wrong time.

That's why I loved Max and I hate people who live only to spoil his game. Let them just look at the machines, who were once pilots and enjoy the race results on the green grass. THIS is not my game anymore. But that's me. You are different. If you like this game, please enjoy, I really don't want to spoil your games. My little gift for this is that I will no longer comment on the topic, I will rather keep my thoughts to myself

Till 2026 if possible. Thanks

And that is all

[OG1982]

I think we can mostly agree, Max is an extremely dislikable person, but one hell of a racing driver.

I’m sure he cares highly about what we all think, as he’s counting his money and polishing his championship trophies.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by og1982

i think we can mostly agree, max is an extremely dislikable person, but one hell of a racing driver.

I’m sure he cares highly about what we all think, as he’s counting his money and polishing his championship trophies.

100%

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by OG1982

I think we can mostly agree, Max is an extremely dislikable person, but one hell of a racing driver.

I’m sure he cares highly about what we all think, as he’s counting his money and polishing his championship trophies.

I agree....but I find it really silly that a member of TRF cuts out of here because of a sport. We all came here for the main common denominator which is Rolex and watches.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

I agree....but I find it really silly that a member of TRF cuts out of here because of a sport. We all came here for the main common denominator which is Rolex and watches.

Apologies, I'm not sure what you mean, are you referring to member INC? If so, I thought they just meant participating in this thread.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by OG1982

I think we can mostly agree, Max is an extremely dislikable person, but one hell of a racing driver.

I’m sure he cares highly about what we all think, as he’s counting his money and polishing his championship trophies.

Even as a Dutchman I think he's a dislikeable person.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by INC

You know when someone has run out of arguments, they start to get personal. I neither need nor have time for that. Accorgingly please let me not to read the rest of your comment, and ignore your posts for the future.

Till 2026 if possible. Thanks

And that is all

For clarity, i didnt run out of arguments, nor did i get personal. If you interpreted as such then thats not my problem.

I said it was the stupedist thing ive read on here....and i stand by that. It wasnt a personal attack on you, it was an observation.

- Superlative adjective: stupidest - dazed and unable to think clearly.

1) You cant have been thinking clearly when you accused the stewards of cheating by throwing the red flag to advantage the mclarens - All evidence and timings from the session show this was not the case if you do your research

2) You cant have been thinking clearly when you stated it was not fair that anyone can do anything, run red lights, adjust tyre pressures etc. - All evidence is out there to show what penalties were and were not given, fully explained by the stewards.

3) You cant have been thinking clearly when you stated that Maxs car came from the junkyard - All evidence and results point otherwise. Its still one of the most dominant cars in history for the first half of the season

4) You cant have been thinking clearly when you went off on a hypocritical tantrum because of all the above, because if YOU WERE thinking clearly and not being biased or hypocritical then you would have stopped watching F1 after Saudi, Brazil or Abu Dhabi 2021. You yourself said you dont like dramas or watch soap operas, but instead you waited until the point poor Max isnt getting his way.

People like to spoil Maxs Game? Well games have rules, test them yes...but stick to them and you havent got a problem....this has always been part of the game whether it be Max, another driver or team. The fact you're ducking out of 'the game' after a red flag during qualifying which was down to Red Bull chancing their luck to get better track position, and not incidents like AD2021, Max driving others off the road, parking his car on top of other drivers just reinforces everything ive written above.

All this boils down to doing some research, reading, educating yourself and thinking clearly

Have a good day and see you in 2026

[77T]

A reminder of the rules here...
Steve has already warned members enough but it's worth a reminder:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=635693

Calling someone "stupid" can be considered abusive, especially in the context of an argument or heated exchange. Such name-calling is often viewed as a form of verbal abuse, as it belittles and demeans the individual, attacking their character rather than addressing the issue at hand.

Verbal abuse can have significant emotional and psychological effects on a person, leading to feelings of worthlessness, anger, or resentment. Healthy communication focuses on expressing thoughts and disagreements respectfully, without resorting to insults or personal attacks. It's essential to foster a dialogue that encourages understanding rather than escalating conflict through derogatory language.


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[Talon84]

Originally Posted by 77T

A reminder of the rules here...
Steve has already warned members enough but it's worth a reminder:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=635693

Calling someone "stupid" can be considered abusive, especially in the context of an argument or heated exchange. Such name-calling is often viewed as a form of verbal abuse, as it belittles and demeans the individual, attacking their character rather than addressing the issue at hand.

Verbal abuse can have significant emotional and psychological effects on a person, leading to feelings of worthlessness, anger, or resentment. Healthy communication focuses on expressing thoughts and disagreements respectfully, without resorting to insults or personal attacks. It's essential to foster a dialogue that encourages understanding rather than escalating conflict through derogatory language.


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Fair point, i removed the last comment on my post so there cant be any ambiguity

[Talon84]

In other news

Bortoleto in at Sauber, Bottas and Zhou out....

he joins

Antonelli
Doohan
Bearman

and highly suspect Lawson at Red Bull and Colapinto at VCARB next year (Or potentially the 3 having a merrygo round with williams/ RB/ VCARB)

Great to see some young talent coming in to replace the good rather than great drivers that have had their shot.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Talon84

In other news

Bortoleto in at Sauber, Bottas and Zhou out....

he joins

Antonelli
Doohan
Bearman

and highly suspect Lawson at Red Bull and Colapinto at VCARB next year (Or potentially the 3 having a merrygo round with williams/ RB/ VCARB)

Great to see some young talent coming in to replace the good rather than great drivers that have had their shot.

Most of these new drivers have been so impressive. It really is a new age. Hard to imagine Max, Charles, George, Lando are transitioning to be the elder statesmen of the sport... don't know where that puts Alonso and Lewis but it seems they've lost a bit of their speed.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Most of these new drivers have been so impressive. It really is a new age. Hard to imagine Max, Charles, George, Lando are transitioning to be the elder statesmen of the sport... don't know where that puts Alonso and Lewis but it seems they've lost a bit of their speed.

haha tell me about it!

Also reminds me of my own mortality and how old n grumpy im getting

On average it costs a young driver around 33 million to get to F1, they race in several junior series each year (both winter and summer), are constantly on the simulators, in the gym, doing PR training etc....

...no wonder it costs so much, and no wonder they are so well prepared by time they get into F1 so can perform instantly. Young driver programmes are both a blessing (for the training) and terrible idea (for the cost)

Gone are the days where decent drivers looked like superstars because half the grid were either amateur drivers or didnt take fitness, training seriously.

And yup. Think Alonso and Hamilton have lost a bit of their outright speed as happens the older you get, Schumacher, Prost etc all the same. Id still love to see them stay in F1 for a few more years though. While speed is only at 95%, they are still better than 95% of the grid and on occasion pull out some incredible performances.

[1st amg]

Originally Posted by OG1982

Apologies, I'm not sure what you mean, are you referring to member INC? If so, I thought they just meant participating in this thread.

Exactly, I was referring INC!! No harm at all


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[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Talon84

Fair enough.

I was given the opportunity to remove a comment that i didn't think could have been taken personally, on reflection it was, so i rectified the matter immediately.

Shall we move forward

Classy

Vegas up next, hopefully no manholes coming loose this year

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Classy

Vegas up next, hopefully no manholes coming loose this year

Should be an interesting one now the championship is pretty much sewn up and hopefully less contentious as previous races.

Big fight between mclaren and ferrari for the constructors now!

[SDGT3]

I'm thinking Ferrari with their ability to get off slow corners coupled with the low temps at night in the desert should perform in Vegas but McLaren has a lot of pace in the dry. RB should be a distance 3rd with Mercedes being a box of chocolates... you never know what you're going to get.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

I'm thinking Ferrari with their ability to get off slow corners coupled with the low temps at night in the desert should perform in Vegas but McLaren has a lot of pace in the dry. RB should be a distance 3rd with Mercedes being a box of chocolates... you never know what you're going to get.

Sums it up nicely

[SDGT3]

The Grand Prix Driver's Association has fired off a letter to the FIA and its President Mohammad Ben Sulayem.

"Our members are adults, they do not need to be given instructions via the media about matters as trivial as the wearing of jewelry and underpants."

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The Grand Prix Driver's Association has fired off a letter to the FIA and its President Mohammad Ben Sulayem.

"Our members are adults, they do not need to be given instructions via the media about matters as trivial as the wearing of jewelry and underpants."

Dont disagree, only thing id say is that ‘adults’ should also know when to mind their language in a public and professional situation. Holding your tongue can often be more powerful than dropping the f bomb

The whole swaering, jewellry, underwear thing over the last couple of years should have been dealt with behind closed doors…so agree with the GPDA in that respect

[enjoythemusic]

Eliminate the drivers asap, they're a big liability. Plus the FIA can ensure full control of a race if / as needed.

Until then, if they don't like humans, they can go f.............

F1 Driver Strike would be fun. Has that ever happened in the past?

[77T]

Drone League Racing?


Strike? Well, almost.

In a 1982 Kyalami race (South Africa GP), Niki Lauda protested over new contract clauses, got many others who refused to race, and was a pivotal moment that was akin to a strike.

That highlighted the evolving dynamics between drivers and teams in Formula One.

The teams and FISA relented (FISA pre-FIA) and it marked contractual driver rights within the commercial evolution of Formula One.


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[enjoythemusic]

Intereating, thx Paul.

Sure, drone racing done right (not how it happened by... you know). Elon could supply the controllers

F1 teams could save millions while making up their own AI character

Do you prefer redheads :)

And yes, i used AI to create these just for you Paul. :)

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[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

Most of these new drivers have been so impressive. It really is a new age. Hard to imagine Max, Charles, George, Lando are transitioning to be the elder statesmen of the sport... don't know where that puts Alonso and Lewis but it seems they've lost a bit of their speed.

This is a great synopsis. BEA & COL are impressive, especially considering their age. Haven't seen any ANT driving yet (except...was it Monza where he spun or something...?), but I suspect MBZ wouldn't put some flash-in-the-pan in their #2 seat.

Sad to see BOT go. I did enjoy watching him race. Finns usually put on a good drive (see: my all-time favorite Kimi Raikkonnen). He didn't have much of a choice after MBZ kicked him to the curb & the floundering Sauber team was a bit of "any port in a storm." ZHO won't be missed at all. He'll be lumped into the "I-can't-believe-they-got-a-seat" conversation that includes Sargeant, Latifi & Mazepin.

[Talon84]

Originally Posted by piratfisk

This is a great synopsis. BEA & COL are impressive, especially considering their age. Haven't seen any ANT driving yet (except...was it Monza where he spun or something...?), but I suspect MBZ wouldn't put some flash-in-the-pan in their #2 seat.

Sad to see BOT go. I did enjoy watching him race. Finns usually put on a good drive (see: my all-time favorite Kimi Raikkonnen). He didn't have much of a choice after MBZ kicked him to the curb & the floundering Sauber team was a bit of "any port in a storm." ZHO won't be missed at all. He'll be lumped into the "I-can't-believe-they-got-a-seat" conversation that includes Sargeant, Latifi & Mazepin.

I still feel Antonelli is being rushed into F1 and would benefit from another year in F2. Kid is so young and theyve rushed him up the ladder so quickly i dont feel like his performances are polished enough for F1 yet and the pressure might get to him.

Its almost like theyre doing it so they dont lose him to Red Bull or another team like they did with Max.....almost panicking into getting him into F1

I always remember when Mclaren forced Hamilton to have a second year in F2, actually dropped him from the programme for a short period until he and his managment agreed to stay and develop for another year, and we all know how that ended!

Hope im wrong of course.

[77T]

I think the convo on ANT is natural - but 10 years ago VER had less seat time before going F1. So the immature "Crashstappen" period came at Toro Rosso's expense vs the mothership. Of course that was before cost caps.

ANT is young but maybe they are thinking about the "seat miles" vs the years of experience. And ANT doesn't have the "Jos" factor pushing...

But yes, it's very soon for ANT...however another year in F2 won't help him methinks. We turn a page as the F1 2026 chassis testing starts soon and he can be more nimble jumping into it with a year of F1 under his belt.


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[SDGT3]

Agree that it feels Antonelli is being promoted too soon, but we don't have all the facts either. I also thought Mercedes left George Russell at Williams a year too long (3 years total there).

Initiation by fire I suppose and with a year under his belt with possibly no shot at the title in 2025 with the frozen rules, they prepare the young driver for the all important 2026 season.

[Lol-x]

Would you agree or disagree with this proposition:

If Piastri wants to say "There is no point helping Norris anymore" he has to show that he is a faster driver than Norris. I'm not sure that Piastri's results show that he is faster than Norris so what is going on in that team.....They are so mixed up they can't seem to get anything apart from a fast car right. They've got the fastest car but always seem to have the worst strategies or no strategy at all.

[77T]

As you put it Steve, and with the handful of races remaining, I don't agree with PIA taking his own path. So I disagree.

The team has a successful strategy mapped out to keep the Constructor's title lead. PIA doesn't need to be faster - just better overall.

NOR & PIA have the same # of wins but PIA has poorer points in races where he didn't have to swap position with NOR.

Also, McLaren didn't achieve as well on Sprint weekends as RBR. São Paulo being the most egregious shortfall yet.

If they were gamblers, then let the boys do as they please. But the risk is RBR comes back for the Constructors if either NOR or PIA begins to fight too hard and take each other out.


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[Lol-x]

Paul, unless you are in the team and know the ins and outs of what is being said I guess we can only speculate.

Norris certainly didn't endear himself to Piastri when he reluctantly handed back the lead earlier this year and made Piastri feel guilty about his first win in a proper F1 race.

At the same time, I've noted Piastri forcing a hard overtake on Norris on only the third corner of the Italian F1 race that you might have expected only from your worst enemy.

Then you have a win by Norris and Piastri didn't even congratulate him (payback for Norris failing to do the same when Piastri won).
I blame the team management which should have banged some heads and ensured that both these guys were on the same page in every race and worked for one another when it counts.

Meanwhile, Max is playing all the angles and mind games, and just driving very strongly.