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conkers · 1 August 2015, 12:20 AM

Well as we are all pretty candid with each other, I don't mind discussing it a little. The list price (in HK) is USD797,000 believe it or not. Let's assume for a moment you can get 30% off a new one so USD558,000.

This used one is probably in the region of USD340,000 after negotiation.

Further thoughts/comments?

One of my RMs sold today, so that is one potential wrinkle removed (I was planning to trade).

conkers · 1 August 2015, 12:21 AM

Paul, sorry I know this thread isn't really meant for these types of debates, but hopefully you will indulge me!

texex91 · 1 August 2015, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Paul, sorry I know this thread isn't really meant for these types of debates, but hopefully you will indulge me!

I don't mind at all Roger, as you're a buyer and THE RM Guru

As for price that discount seems fairly strong.

$340k on a $797k is VERY aggressive. Also assuming 'used' is minty fresh as I'm sure it would be.

Not sure there is much left in it...maybe $325k??

As for the watch, the 008 is simply a stunner--nothing else can be said. Drop dead hot piece and would be THE showcase piece no doubt. Outside of price do you have any other reservations? It's tourb and split...two things you love.

conkers · 1 August 2015, 12:45 AM

Thanks Paul. The main reservation is liquidity if/when I get bored..........if he will do a buyback deal, then it becomes very interesting!

texex91 · 1 August 2015, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Thanks Paul. The main reservation is liquidity if/when I get bored..........if he will do a buyback deal, then it becomes very interesting!

Understood. Like any watch, it's a matter of when not if

No doubt a large transaction and understand the need to mitigate the back end exposure.

It's the down side to an expensive sickness the RM world sucks one into quite quickly (as you know all too well)

conkers · 1 August 2015, 08:07 AM

I would love to compare it with a 50 but these pieces are so rare it is impossible.

texex91 · 1 August 2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

I would love to compare it with a 50 but these pieces are so rare it is impossible.

050 would be an amazing RM to see in person...stunner but as you said good luck finding one (think it was a limited edition of 10??)

lapince · 1 August 2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Well as we are all pretty candid with each other, I don't mind discussing it a little. The list price (in HK) is USD797,000 believe it or not. Let's assume for a moment you can get 30% off a new one so USD558,000.

This used one is probably in the region of USD340,000 after negotiation.

Further thoughts/comments?

One of my RMs sold today, so that is one potential wrinkle removed (I was planning to trade).

I would get the used one, even if you get 30% off the new, the difference is too huge IMO to go new on that one, it is an awesome piece

conkers · 1 August 2015, 07:50 PM

Well it was an interesting afternoon! Most importantly, here are a couple of shots. It is a V1 on consignment, so pricing is difficult as I can't get a sense for the mindset of the seller. It's not in great shape to be honest, with several scratches, but nothing too serious. There isn't a trade to be done (he offered me some really silly prices), so he has asked me for my cash offer.........I have some thinking to do. He also has an awesome Greubel Forsey in - pricing on this one is even more difficult to determine, but I just love GF. Sorry for the lack of wrist shot on the latter, here is a library picture of the current version of it (some detail changes but broadly the same).

texex91 · 1 August 2015, 10:23 PM

Great shots of the RM--thanks for posting.

If the RM is not in perfect condition, I'd personally pass. At this price point there is no reason to sacrifice.

Not a huge fan of GF so I cannot really comment on that one (but I do appreciate them). That is a watch I would be concerned more about the secondary on vs RM...just my .02.

conkers · 1 August 2015, 10:41 PM

Liquidity on both the 8 and the GF will be appalling but everything has a price............

Decisions decisions!!

texex91 · 1 August 2015, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Liquidity on both the 8 and the GF will be appalling but everything has a price............

Decisions decisions!!

Agree.

However, GF is more of a 'dress' watch vs a 'sports' watch IMHO.

It's just a matter of what you want more

Let's face it, either would be a simply amazing addition to any collection.

conkers · 2 August 2015, 12:12 AM

The elephant in the room............

texex91 · 2 August 2015, 12:41 AM

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The elephant in the room............

That is a beast not an elephant.

Did you find one?

SpunkyQ8 · 2 August 2015, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by conkers

The elephant in the room............

She's a beauty!

But IMHO the dial is too busy it took me 4~ secs to find the minute hand

el1125 · 2 August 2015, 01:38 AM

That RM 50 is insane

fmc000 · 2 August 2015, 02:28 AM

Still prefer the 8.

edo · 2 August 2015, 02:53 AM

Wow, I'm out for a few days and this thread become insane

008 is classic madness, hard to beat that...

Conkers, Paris boutique has 050 in NTPT...

And about GF, always wondered who is crew who buy GF... not many to be seen on internet forums, unlike other independents who has strong market (and internet presence) in Asia... and how much pieces they produce yearly?...

Marciano490 · 2 August 2015, 03:46 AM

I don't love the 08 now that I see it to be honest. GF are incredible though; diversify your portfolio friend.

conkers · 2 August 2015, 10:30 AM

The NTPT 50 like the 11 in the same material is a bit too busy for my liking although the NTPT suits the 35 much better. Prefer the plain carbon on the complicated pieces. Can't find the 50 that I posted anyway at the moment. As far as I know all sold out. At this stage I am in a real quandary! Appreciate all the good comments.

le-temps · 2 August 2015, 12:17 PM

Wow...that 050 is a black beauty. Good luck on your hunt Roger.

el1125 · 2 August 2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by edo

Wow, I'm out for a few days and this thread become insane

008 is classic madness, hard to beat that...

Conkers, Paris boutique has 050 in NTPT...

And about GF, always wondered who is crew who buy GF... not many to be seen on internet forums, unlike other independents who has strong market (and internet presence) in Asia... and how much pieces they produce yearly?...

Edo, GF market is quite minuscule

conkers · 2 August 2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by el1125

Edo, GF market is quite minuscule

Very true - impossible to get a sense on prices for these babies.

texex91 · 2 August 2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

Very true - impossible to get a sense on prices for these babies.

Have no clue as to secondary, but from AD's (they were pushing the brand hard) they are 100% list price which is never a good thing later.

Would be a huge gamble in my (pocket) book.

conkers · 2 August 2015, 11:03 PM

I bought something else to keep the itchy fingers at bay for a few days whilst i gather my thoughts!

Racerdj · 2 August 2015, 11:37 PM

Pictures? Just curious here.....

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Originally Posted by conkers

I bought something else to keep the itchy fingers at bay for a few days whilst i gather my thoughts!

texex91 · 2 August 2015, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

I bought something else to keep the itchy fingers at bay for a few days whilst i gather my thoughts!

And you're going to tease us like that...

conkers · 2 August 2015, 11:43 PM

You know I like my incoming teasers! Awaiting incoming thread. A clue - it won't be on this thread!

texex91 · 2 August 2015, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by conkers

A clue - it won't be on this thread!

Jerrychen · 3 August 2015, 01:29 AM

Was in HK for the weekend and had a chance to see 004 011 050-01 and some others in flesh at RM boutique, 050-01 is easily the most impressive, the openworked dial just has so much depth, after see it in flesh I don't think the dial is too complicated and it works really well with NTPT but just in my opinion...
Meanwhile some snapshot of the 35-01

1 August 2015, 07:50 PM	#789
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	Well it was an interesting afternoon! Most importantly, here are a couple of shots. It is a V1 on consignment, so pricing is difficult as I can't get a sense for the mindset of the seller. It's not in great shape to be honest, with several scratches, but nothing too serious. There isn't a trade to be done (he offered me some really silly prices), so he has asked me for my cash offer.........I have some thinking to do. He also has an awesome Greubel Forsey in - pricing on this one is even more difficult to determine, but I just love GF. Sorry for the lack of wrist shot on the latter, here is a library picture of the current version of it (some detail changes but broadly the same). Attached Images

2 August 2015, 12:12 AM	#793
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	The elephant in the room............ Attached Images

3 August 2015, 01:29 AM	#810
Jerrychen "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Real Name: Jerry Location: TW Watch: AP Posts: 70	Was in HK for the weekend and had a chance to see 004 011 050-01 and some others in flesh at RM boutique, 050-01 is easily the most impressive, the openworked dial just has so much depth, after see it in flesh I don't think the dial is too complicated and it works really well with NTPT but just in my opinion... Meanwhile some snapshot of the 35-01 Attached Images

1 August 2015, 12:20 AM	#781
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	Well as we are all pretty candid with each other, I don't mind discussing it a little. The list price (in HK) is USD797,000 believe it or not. Let's assume for a moment you can get 30% off a new one so USD558,000. This used one is probably in the region of USD340,000 after negotiation. Further thoughts/comments? One of my RMs sold today, so that is one potential wrinkle removed (I was planning to trade).

1 August 2015, 12:21 AM	#782
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	Paul, sorry I know this thread isn't really meant for these types of debates, but hopefully you will indulge me!

1 August 2015, 12:45 AM	#784
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	Thanks Paul. The main reservation is liquidity if/when I get bored..........if he will do a buyback deal, then it becomes very interesting!

1 August 2015, 08:07 AM	#786
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	I would love to compare it with a 50 but these pieces are so rare it is impossible.

1 August 2015, 10:23 PM	#790
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Great shots of the RM--thanks for posting. If the RM is not in perfect condition, I'd personally pass. At this price point there is no reason to sacrifice. Not a huge fan of GF so I cannot really comment on that one (but I do appreciate them). That is a watch I would be concerned more about the secondary on vs RM...just my .02.

1 August 2015, 10:41 PM	#791
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	Liquidity on both the 8 and the GF will be appalling but everything has a price............ Decisions decisions!!

2 August 2015, 01:38 AM	#796
el1125 Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA Posts: 3,578	That RM 50 is insane

2 August 2015, 02:28 AM	#797
fmc000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Fabio Location: Como - Italy Posts: 4,811	Still prefer the 8.

2 August 2015, 02:53 AM	#798
edo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sarajevo Posts: 1,978	Wow, I'm out for a few days and this thread become insane 008 is classic madness, hard to beat that... Conkers, Paris boutique has 050 in NTPT... And about GF, always wondered who is crew who buy GF... not many to be seen on internet forums, unlike other independents who has strong market (and internet presence) in Asia... and how much pieces they produce yearly?...

2 August 2015, 03:46 AM	#799
Marciano490 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 1,431	I don't love the 08 now that I see it to be honest. GF are incredible though; diversify your portfolio friend.

2 August 2015, 10:30 AM	#800
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	The NTPT 50 like the 11 in the same material is a bit too busy for my liking although the NTPT suits the 35 much better. Prefer the plain carbon on the complicated pieces. Can't find the 50 that I posted anyway at the moment. As far as I know all sold out. At this stage I am in a real quandary! Appreciate all the good comments.

2 August 2015, 12:17 PM	#801
le-temps "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Asia Watch: 004 Posts: 268	Wow...that 050 is a black beauty. Good luck on your hunt Roger.

2 August 2015, 11:03 PM	#805
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	I bought something else to keep the itchy fingers at bay for a few days whilst i gather my thoughts!

2 August 2015, 11:43 PM	#808
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,132	You know I like my incoming teasers! Awaiting incoming thread. A clue - it won't be on this thread!

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