Helicopter Parenting....whatcha think?

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 77T

Careful Steven, you're in the Major Leagues here...

Thx Paul, honestly... at times a kind reminder is appreciated

Originally Posted by BraveBold

I will give you the real answer. What has devalued is emphasis on family and time, in favor of more “stuff”…

Well said. Family, community... dare we say Traditional Values.

But with an economy scheme based primarily on consumption... and currency....

Time truly is the most valuable thing we have imho. How is it best 'invested'?

[Kinnakeet]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Why is it years ago only one parent 'had to' work? What devalued to cause society to be forced to have both parent working? How has that negativity affected society?

It's rhetorical, as trf members are smart and know why.

Of course the value of cash.
Look what a Franklin half dollar could purchased in 1960. 50cents, 2 gallons of gasoline? Of course it’s 90% silver. But its value was 50 cents.
Without my looking that half dollar is now worth roughly $12 in silver, 4 gallons of gas.
A current Kennedy half dollar with get you, basically nothing.

[Kinnakeet]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

I will give you the real answer. What has devalued is emphasis on family and time, in favor of more “stuff”…

Luxury car market penetration 50 years ago was around 5%-10% max. Today, 20%. Average home size in the US went from 1,500 sq ft to 2,500+. Proliferation of luxury anything - well, look at the performance of the luxury companies vs the broader market…

What defined a middle class household 50 years ago was a more modest array of things than today. A big part of two earner households - the biggest part - is a shifted view on what constitutes a “necessity” today.

I grew up with 3 TV stations that were watchable (not covered in snow), and a typical car (Ford Tempo, true POS). That was the mass market car - roll down windows, 90hp engine, crap box. Compare to today…

What has devalued (changed) is the trade-off decision between time and accumulating crap.

That’s part of it. Fatherless homes is a bigger part of it. My husbands daughter teaches in a very bad Tampa city elementary school, the stories she tells are scary and sad. But yes. We grew up with simple things. Didn’t know any different.

[gamingdoctor]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

Ah, yes, and the state of the world reflects this.

I agree. Let's not pretend there was some golden age era where kids of the 60s-80s are creating a perfect society today.

[MrGoat]

I see all of you alls points and agree. Though, I’d like to add something I haven’t seen mentioned yet.

Kids growing up in the 80’s and 90’s were in their formative years as the news started to really dial in on using terrible stories to keep viewers engaged. Between the news, unsolved mysteries and the like, services like identakid and horror movies getting more gory I believe a lot of fears were instilled in the generations having kids and helicopter parenting their children. Then couple that with the struggles the millennial generation has endured I can totally see them trying to keep their kids from making the mistakes they made or trying to set them up to be in a better position for situations later in life.

The issue with this as has been stated is, it doesn’t actually help the kids. It makes them dependent, indecisive and entitled. I believe a shift is happening where the millennials are aging out from adding more children to society and the newer generation is seeing the risks with technology and detriment of lacking life skills.

I would not be surprised if there was also some validity to Millennials attempting to be better parents than their parents in their own mind and it backfired.

Hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.


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[Blansky]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

I will give you the real answer. What has devalued is emphasis on family and time, in favor of more “stuff”…

Luxury car market penetration 50 years ago was around 5%-10% max. Today, 20%. Average home size in the US went from 1,500 sq ft to 2,500+. Proliferation of luxury anything - well, look at the performance of the luxury companies vs the broader market…

What defined a middle class household 50 years ago was a more modest array of things than today. A big part of two earner households - the biggest part - is a shifted view on what constitutes a “necessity” today.

I grew up with 3 TV stations that were watchable (not covered in snow), and a typical car (Ford Tempo, true POS). That was the mass market car - roll down windows, 90hp engine, crap box. Compare to today…

What has devalued (changed) is the trade-off decision between time and accumulating crap.

A lot of that consumption could also be attributed to the rise after WW2 of advertising and the MAD MEN era of Madison Ave creating demand and the keeping up with the Joneses.

There was also far more psychology involved in advertising as the US celebrated the end of the war and the GIs returning home, and often headed from the farms to the cities/suburbs and creating the baby boom. TVs and color TVs getting into every home and people wanted stuff. Then of course came the era of easy credit.

But we can also add in the social shift after WW2 of women WANTING to get into the work force for a more fulfilling life.

Societal change is usually/always multifaceted a lot of factors go into it. Some of it is a cause and effect, and almost natural progression, and sometimes it is being manipulated from unseen forces.