Aaron Faber

[Kokyuryoku]

Originally Posted by kyle L

Yeah, you can laugh. I might have just sent two emails chastising the devil

[R1@160@alltimes]

Sorry to hear that Pav...that is unacceptable

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[Saxon007]

Originally Posted by onkyo

No, but I have considered it. Thanks.

File a grevience with the state Attorney General, I suspect they can help you at no cost to you.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[ParisDakarBmw]

Originally Posted by CoopJr

Pav...have you gone to the police yet? Steve...thanks for the heads up.

This is more of a civil issue, than a criminal act.

This could be handled by a civil court hearing to handle the disagreement in an agreement.

It is something I would persue after one official certified letter is delivered, and a timeline set for the return of the funds.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by justrolexes

I am sorry about the bad experiance Pav,
Here are few thing that could help:

you can report him to the "JBT" Jewelers Board of Trade... here is a link http://www.jewelersboard.com
That will affect the business credit and no Jeweler or diamond dealer and wholesaler would want to sell then on credit... it will have to be cash... Trust me on that

Also try the BBB at
http://www.bbb.org

have a lawyer send them a letter...
and we will push from our end with email and word of mouth...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

Thank you. I just filed a complaint with the BBB.

Going to push forward with all options available..... Maybe I should hire someone to picket outside his shop!!

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

This is more of a civil issue, than a criminal act.

This could be handled by a civil court hearing to handle the disagreement in an agreement.

It is something I would persue after one official certified letter is delivered, and a timeline set for the return of the funds.

Yes, I believe you are correct Paul .... this is a civil issue. Thank you.

[rfknauss]

Stevo, thanks for the heads-up.


http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[JUSTROLEXES]

Originally Posted by onkyo

Thank you. I just filed a complaint with the BBB.

Going to push forward with all options available..... Maybe I should hire someone to picket outside his shop!!

Seek your rights by law with an attorney and try sending him a link with that theard and tell him ADIOS for his reputation...
Also try the JBT... it has a higher effect then The BBB in the Jewelry and Diamond world.
also might not be a bad Idea to pay a Guy Per Hour and have him carry a sign outside of his business calling him a thief....From 10:00 to 5:00Pm
7 hours by $10 = $70 per day for few days...I promise you it will work

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by justrolexes

Seek your rights by law with an attorney and try sending him a link with that theard and tell him ADIOS for his reputation...
Also try the JBT... it has a higher effect then The BBB in the Jewelry and Diamond world.
also might not be a bad Idea to pay a Guy Per Hour and have him carry a sign outside of his business calling him a thief....From 10:00 to 5:00Pm
7 hours by $10 = $70 per day for few days...I promise you it will work

I like your recommendation esp the hiring a guy to stand outside his shop!

[R1@160@alltimes]

Hey Pav what are they telling you when you show up there in person? I would love to accompany you there, if you like.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Hey Pav what are they telling you when you show up there in person? I would love to accompany you there, if you like.

I haven't been there in a month or two. It's hard for me to take a 1/2 day off work to go there. And I am tired of seeing his face.

He is trying to sell the Patek and his view is the watch is 'ours'.... so he won't pay me until he sells the watch which he never will because it is overpriced for a used watch (but reasonable for a new piece).

He also won't pay me for the consignment piece he sold of mine in January.

The guy is simply a scammer and untrustworthy.

[wehttaM]

Looks like they won't be getting any of OUR business.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[fusionstorm]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I haven't been there in a month or two. It's hard for me to take a 1/2 day off work to go there. And I am tired of seeing his face.

He is trying to sell the Patek and his view is the watch is 'ours'.... so he won't pay me until he sells the watch which he never will because it is overpriced for a used watch (but reasonable for a new piece).

He also won't pay me for the consignment piece he sold of mine in January.

The guy is simply a scammer and untrustworthy.

Whoa, this may have gone from civil to criminal. What's his justification for keeping the funds from the piece you consigned?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[R1@160@alltimes]

Paul (Welshwatchman) thanks for sticking the link to "email faber" in my post

I guess I am forced to email those poor faber bastards

[R1@160@alltimes]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I haven't been there in a month or two. It's hard for me to take a 1/2 day off work to go there. And I am tired of seeing his face.

He is trying to sell the Patek and his view is the watch is 'ours'.... so he won't pay me until he sells the watch which he never will because it is overpriced for a used watch (but reasonable for a new piece).

He also won't pay me for the consignment piece he sold of mine in January.

The guy is simply a scammer and untrustworthy.

Just incredible that they are still operational

Let's go there together

[Gerardus]

Thanxs for the warning, is now add on the black list.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Paul (Welshwatchman) thanks for sticking the link to "email faber" in my post

I guess I am forced to email those poor faber bastards

Email them Gus, email them goooooooood.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

[Watch Professor]

I've lived in and around NY City all of my life and i"ve never heard of them. Thanks for the heads up, not that I would buy from them.

[onkyo]

Thank you everyone for emailing him and putting him on your 'blacklist'.

He deserves everything he has coming to him!

[rmfnla]

Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Just incredible that they are still operational

Yeah; usually people who pull enough of this have really bad things happen to them...

[R1@160@alltimes]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Email them Gus, email them goooooooood.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=141111

Will do, tonight as promised

Originally Posted by rmfnla

Yeah; usually people who pull enough of this have really bad things happen to them...

That is what I am saying....you don't just play with people's hard earned $$$

[jlaw]

Wow, that's terrible. The outpouring of support here is awesome - and I'm sure this place is not happy about the volume of email they're receiving - but the bottom line is that you should retain an attorney right away.

The dispute over the deposit is likely a civil matter, depending on the nature of the agreement which I would assume is in writing given the apparently large sums involved. Their failure to pay you for the watch they sold on consignment could go either way, but may well be criminal, again depending on the nature of the agreement you had with them. An attorney can help you understand your options.

You need to show this place that you are ready, willing and able to take the dispute to court and/or refer the matter to local prosecutors. A harshly-worded letter from an attorney setting forth your demands along with a deadline for compliance should at least get the ball rolling and let them know you're serious. Yes, it's probably going to cost you a few bucks, unless you have some attorney friends or someone on the forum here is admitted in NY, but it's worth it. Right now, you are providing these crooks with a sizable interest-free loan!

[tgoose1]

Originally Posted by onkyo

Yes, I believe you are correct Paul .... this is a civil issue. Thank you.

I'm not sure about the state of NY, but if the claim is for more than $10k in most areas of the US, it's above civil court and becomes criminal in nature. Don't know why you've allowed all this time to pass w/o legal consultation, unless I missed something? Not sure about the wisdom of using this forum as a consumer advocacy group even against a possible unscrupulous dealer, because I'm certain all of the facts have not been clearly represented. Pav, I hope this resolves in your favor, good luck.

[ParisDakarBmw]

Theft law in NY

S 165.00 Misapplication of property.
1. A person is guilty of misapplication of property when, knowingly
possessing personal property of another pursuant to an agreement that
the same will be returned to the owner at a future time,
(a) he loans, leases, pledges, pawns or otherwise encumbers such
property without the consent of the owner thereof in such manner as to
create a risk that the owner will not be able to recover it or will
suffer pecuniary loss; or
(b) he intentionally refuses to return personal property valued in
excess of one hundred dollars to the owner pursuant to the terms of the
rental agreement provided that the owner shall have made a written
demand for the return of such personal property in person or by
certified mail at an address indicated in the rental agreement and he
intentionally refuses to return such personal property for a period of
thirty days after such demand has been received or should reasonably
have been received by him. Such written demand shall state: (i) the date
and time at which the personal property was to have been returned under
the rental agreement; (ii) that the owner does not consent to the
continued withholding or retaining of such personal property and demands
its return; and (iii) that the continued withholding or retaining of the
property may constitute a class A misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up
to one thousand dollars or by a sentence to a term of imprisonment for a
period of up to one year or by both such fine and imprisonment.
(c) as used in paragraph (b) of this subdivision and in subdivision
three of this section, the terms owner, personal property, and rental
agreement shall be defined as in subdivision one of section three
hundred ninety-nine-w of the general business law.
2. In any prosecution under paragraph (a) of subdivision one of this
section, it is a defense that, at the time the prosecution was
commenced, (a) the defendant had recovered possession of the property,
unencumbered as a result of the unlawful disposition, and (b) the owner
had suffered no material economic loss as a result of the unlawful
disposition.
3. In any prosecution under paragraph (b) of subdivision one of this
section, it is a defense that at the time the prosecution was commenced,
(a) the owner had recovered possession of the personal property and
suffered no material economic loss as a result of the unlawful
retention; or (b) the defendant is unable to return such personal
property because it has been accidentally destroyed or stolen; or (c)
the owner failed to comply with the provisions of section three hundred
ninety-nine-w of the general business law.
Misapplication of property is a class A misdemeanor.

[ParisDakarBmw]

165.45 Criminal possession of stolen property in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of stolen property in the
fourth degree when he knowingly possesses stolen property, with intent
to benefit himself or a person other than an owner thereof or to impede
the recovery by an owner thereof, and when:
1. The value of the property exceeds one thousand dollars; or
2. The property consists of a credit card, debit card or public
benefit card; or
3. He is a collateral loan broker or is in the business of buying,
selling or otherwise dealing in property; or
4. The property consists of one or more firearms, rifles and shotguns,
as such terms are defined in section 265.00 of this chapter; or
5. The value of the property exceeds one hundred dollars and the
property consists of a motor vehicle, as defined in section one hundred
twenty-five of the vehicle and traffic law, other than a motorcycle, as
defined in section one hundred twenty-three of such law; or
6. The property consists of a scroll, religious vestment, vessel or
other item of property having a value of at least one hundred dollars
kept for or used in connection with religious worship in any building or
structure used as a place of religious worship by a religious
corporation, as incorporated under the religious corporations law or the
education law.
Criminal possession of stolen property in the fourth degree is a class E felony.

S 165.50 Criminal possession of stolen property in the third degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of stolen property in the
third degree when he knowingly possesses stolen property, with intent to
benefit himself or a person other than an owner thereof or to impede the
recovery by an owner thereof, and when the value of the property exceeds
three thousand dollars.
Criminal possession of stolen property in the third degree is a class D felony.

[spuds]

Sh*t Pav.

If I lost 10% of what the *******s have had off you I'd be losing the plot.

I sincerely hope this gets sorted mate I really do.

[eric23]

I am sorry to hear that a dealer would take you for that kind of money and not get you the watch they said they would.

They are not listed as a real Patek dealer, but I would talk to Patek they don’t like dealers placing their watches online or fake dealers posing as real AD’s!

[Brenngun]

Pav, You have to pursue through all avenues. Police (to get a report registered). Jewelry associations (I'd send emails and make personal phone calls to push it up the association ladder). We can email like crrazy and I will send one but the real pressure has to come from within the industry or the law.

Open Comment To All TRF Members. One of us has to be a lawyer. If you are maybe you can offer to write a letter on Pav's behalf. Pro bono work is very rewarding.

[SLS]

Really sorry to hear this Pav, I will also send and email to this guy. Best of luck.
Scott

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Brenngun

Open Comment To All TRF Members. One of us has to be a lawyer. If you are maybe you can offer to write a letter on Pav's behalf. Pro bono work is very rewarding.

I know for a fact there are more than 50 lawyers here though there may be ten times that since they do get some "gentle ribbing" at times.

It's a good thought.