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Old 17 June 2011, 09:19 AM   #61
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I agree 100%. Very well stated. If you have papers that match the watch the chance of it being stolen are greatly reduced.

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Old 19 June 2011, 06:00 AM   #62
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WooHoo

Went back to the AD today and they found the correct box and paperwork so I swapped this



for this



I gained a few bracelet links and a Rolex wallet thingy as well. They also gave a free valuation certificate incase I need to make an insurance claim and threw in the price tag that should have been on the watch when I bought it - means I had a £550 or 24% discount - not bad
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Old 19 June 2011, 06:39 AM   #63
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I'm glad that all turned out well for you........
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Old 19 June 2011, 09:48 AM   #64
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No, they will not.
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Old 19 June 2011, 11:07 AM   #65
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Sorry, but I have to disagree!

I never buy watches WITHOUT papers.

The presence or absence of papers (particularly the warranty & COA) shows, how careful the previous owner was with his watch and with his property.

It also gives me an indicator, that the watch is not stolen! Stolen watches seldom come with papers.
I have heard of gangs in the Philippines, who pay hookers to k.o. their "customers" - and farewell Rolex!

These watches never come with papers!

I had burglars in my house. They took my watches, but did not take the papers.
One watch showed up on ebay later. I have received my watch back instantly because I was able to prove, that I am the legal owner of it and the "seller" who purchased it without papers, is out of the watch and the money, that he was paying for it.

Don't get me wrong: I don't say, that papers give you 100% safety but to an expensive watch, the presence of the corresponding papers is a MUST to me and the value of the COA does definitely NOT end after the warranty period. Like I've said, it can be VERY valuable after that time!
As somebody who goes to watch shows in Germany often I can tell you the above statement is very true in certain parts of the world. It is very hard to sell a watch without papers for fair money. No papers means discount or no sale in Germany. Even on vintage watches they ask for papers.
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Old 19 June 2011, 05:23 PM   #66
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How fortunate for you to have a 6 year old watch vice a 22 year old one. A 6 year old watch without paper will have significantly more value then a 22 year old watch with papers. Not having papers has never been an issue for me personally.

Congratulations on having a fairly new watch and with the correct papers!
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Old 19 June 2011, 06:39 PM   #67
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I think papers is a "nice to have" and I'd be prepared to pay more for the equivalent watch with papers but surely it comes down to where you purchase the watch.
If I purchased a watch from my AD without papers and it turns out to be stolen isn't this the responsibility of the AD?
As its been said many times on this forum you really need to buy the Seller.
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Old 19 June 2011, 11:43 PM   #68
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I'm glad that all turned out well for you........
X2. That doesn't happen very often.
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Old 2 August 2011, 04:06 AM   #69
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If anyone needs evidence about the relevance of the certificate, watch this:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=186875

The difference in price is US$ 6.050,-- vs. 5.250,--
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Old 3 August 2011, 02:32 AM   #70
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I Agree also with bondtoys.

The real deal are not cheap watches and having paper or service paper with RSC will prove not just authenticity, but also that you are buying from someone that maintained the watch with updated original parts since now days is hard for some watchmakers to have original rolex parts.

And when you call RSC last service for your watch they can see that on their data base based on serial no of your watch or last service ref#.
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Old 3 August 2011, 09:26 AM   #71
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How fortunate for you to have a 6 year old watch vice a 22 year old one. A 6 year old watch without paper will have significantly more value then a 22 year old watch with papers. Not having papers has never been an issue for me personally.

Congratulations on having a fairly new watch and with the correct papers!
I think you mean 32 years.

If I were the AD, I'd fire the salesman. He should have known it wasn't the older model.
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