16610 LV serials

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by impalass

You and me both Mickey !

Although my son will most likely get it sooner than yours.

[balboa73]

Originally Posted by 1680

Yes, I bought my NOS Y serial LV for 5100 in 2008 so I know I'll get my money back if I sell.

Same can be said for pretty much any rolex bought in 2008

Rolex has how many price increases since 2008?

[bazin]

Originally Posted by Mickey®

unless you tell me what my son will get for it 50 years from now?! Because I'm wearing and enjoying mine then handing it down.

Well...... I purchased my 1675 GMT Master in 1978 for € 450,- (USD 600,-); today Rolexfriends offer me € 5.500,- (USD 7.400,-) (12-13x original price) for this watch (incl. box, certificate, tags, all papers etc.).
This is an annual price increase of 7,5%.........if this scenario develops the same for your 16610LV, after 50 years your son will get 37x more USD's than at the moment of purchase.......it sounds unbelievable but 50 years is a long time......




Dutch invoice with purchase price of NLG (Dutch Guilders) 1.020,- equivalent € 450,- equivalent USD 600,-.............

[Roller07]

Originally Posted by rudolphwolven

There is no hype, only relative trends and facts are clearly observable imo, please explain your statement/opinion (with facts?) .........

The facts are that I personally don't buy any of my watches based on desirability,popularity,brand name,serial#,resale value or rarity. So I made my statement based on my opinion.

I buy my watches based on looks,purpose,the movement,craftmanship and durability. (In that order)

[clock]

I found a F4 serial with what I think has the FAT 4. Is this more collectible than the others that don't have the FAT4?

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by clock

I found a F4 serial with what I think has the FAT 4. Is this more collectible than the others that don't have the FAT4?

NOT to me...but some would pay more for it which is in my opinion

Get what you like!

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by rudolphwolven

well...... I purchased my 1675 gmt master in 1978 for € 450,- (usd 600,-); today rolexfriends offer me € 5.500,- (usd 7.400,-) (12-13x original price) for this watch (incl. Box, certificate, tags, all papers etc.).
This is an annual price increase of 7,5%.........if this scenario develops the same for your 16610lv, after 50 years your son will get 37x more usd's than at the moment of purchase.......it sounds unbelievable but 50 years is a long time......




dutch invoice with purchase price of nlg (dutch guilders) 1.020,- equivalent € 450,- equivalent usd 600,-.............

yes!

[clock]

Originally Posted by Mickey®

yes!

which is a beauty!!

The watch has been confirmed to have the FAT 4.

Would you pay in the mid $6K?

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by clock

which is a beauty!!

The watch has been confirmed to have the FAT 4.

Would you pay in the mid $6K?

Again, Personally I wouldn't pay more for a "flat 4".
All LV's are worth $5300 to $6300 depending on condition and box/papers (which is more important IMHO on this model for 25-30 years from now) in my world.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Mickey®

Again, Personally I wouldn't pay more for a "flat 4".
All LV's are worth $5300 to $6300 depending on condition and box/papers (which is more important IMHO on this model for 25-30 years from now) in my world.

Have to agree as these so called flat fonts were used on all subs and SDs at the same time frame.Plus the so called flat font have been used on many Rolex inserts through out the years and no fuss over these flat four fonts.

[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree as these so called flat fonts were used on all subs and SDs at the same time frame.Plus the so called flat font have been used on many Rolex inserts through out the years and no fuss over these flat four fonts.

While this is certainly without question absolutely a true statement, I think that we are talking about the price increase on this watch as not a universal reality BUT a valuation increase among true fans of the watch.

While nearly ALL of the discontinued models of Rolex watches will continue to appreciate with time simply because they are Rolexes and they are valued. Each individual watch has it's "fanatics" who will value it beyond the actual normal increase of the average discontinued model.

That is the case here. A fan of this watch will place more value on the early model of this watch that was produced during the actual anniversary year of 2003 and the model number proves that date. The flat four is a characteristic of this production period and therefore makes the watch more valuable to a collector of this particular watch.

Would everyone pay that for this watch - NO. Will there always be a segment of fans that will - YES.

[Chaching]

I have a 2005 "D" Serial Mint, Boxes, Papers, Rolex Hologram sticker still perfect on the back of the case, Hang Tags, (which I think is important for collectability of this watch because it states "LV" after the Serial # thus showing somebody didn't change out the Bezel from a Black one. So is my "D" any more rare than the others or just common? Not sure if I buy all the "hype" either but...with Rolex raising prices each year by 8% and then some it might be a good bet.

[Kanger]

Any LV with stickers on NOS is rare. Whoever just bought that BNIB Z for 7k just stole it; that was a wonderful set.

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by Chaching

I have a 2005 "D" Serial Mint, Boxes, Papers, Rolex Hologram sticker still perfect on the back of the case, Hang Tags, (which I think is important for collectability of this watch because it states "LV" after the Serial # thus showing somebody didn't change out the Bezel from a Black one. So is my "D" any more rare than the others or just common? Not sure if I buy all the "hype" either but...with Rolex raising prices each year by 8% and then some it might be a good bet.

Originally Posted by Kanger

Any LV with stickers on NOS is rare. Whoever just bought that BNIB Z for 7k just stole it; that was a wonderful set.

Good to know...I'll hang on to my Tags (w/ LV)

[Chaching]

Originally Posted by Kanger

Any LV with stickers on NOS is rare. Whoever just bought that BNIB Z for 7k just stole it; that was a wonderful set.

Pretty crazy on these LV prices. I picked mine up a month ago for $6,280 clear.

[clock]

Originally Posted by LA_LEC

While this is certainly without question absolutely a true statement, I think that we are talking about the price increase on this watch as not a universal reality BUT a valuation increase among true fans of the watch.

While nearly ALL of the discontinued models of Rolex watches will continue to appreciate with time simply because they are Rolexes and they are valued. Each individual watch has it's "fanatics" who will value it beyond the actual normal increase of the average discontinued model.

That is the case here. A fan of this watch will place more value on the early model of this watch that was produced during the actual anniversary year of 2003 and the model number proves that date. The flat four is a characteristic of this production period and therefore makes the watch more valuable to a collector of this particular watch.

Would everyone pay that for this watch - NO. Will there always be a segment of fans that will - YES.

Do most here think the dial variations of the early 16610LV are more meaningful to more collectors compared when Rolex put the new 3186 movement into the discontinued GMT II?

[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by clock

Do most here think the dial variations of the early 16610LV are more meaningful to more collectors compared when Rolex put the new 3186 movement into the discontinued GMT II?

Hard to say.

For me that is comparing apples to oranges. Both would appeal to different collectors for different reasons...BUT IMHO yes, I think it is more meaningful since it is a visual change rather than internal.

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by Chaching

Pretty crazy on these LV prices. I picked mine up a month ago for $6,280 clear.

That might be an ok price depending on condition and B&P.

[LA_LEC]

Here the watch just in case you doubt the beauty of the beast...It might not be a "hulk" but it sure can ride a wave with style!

[Chaching]

Originally Posted by Mickey®

That might be an ok price depending on condition and B&P.

I'd like to think I did "ok." Everything is in order and was a safe queen by the prior owner.

[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by Chaching

I'd like to think I did "ok." Everything is in order and was a safe queen by the prior owner.

I would say you got a good deal!

[Chaching]

Originally Posted by LA_LEC

I would say you got a good deal!

Thanks Lee! I feel much better!

[Yellowcard]

Prices sure go up fast for those BNIB

http://www.dream-watches.co.uk/rolex...category_id=84

£6,750.00 = €7775,92 = $10415,84

[Yellowcard]

Originally Posted by rudolphwolven

Well...... I purchased my 1675 GMT Master in 1978 for € 450,- (USD 600,-); today Rolexfriends offer me € 5.500,- (USD 7.400,-) (12-13x original price) for this watch (incl. box, certificate, tags, all papers etc.).
This is an annual price increase of 7,5%.........if this scenario develops the same for your 16610LV, after 50 years your son will get 37x more USD's than at the moment of purchase.......it sounds unbelievable but 50 years is a long time......




Dutch invoice with purchase price of NLG (Dutch Guilders) 1.020,- equivalent € 450,- equivalent USD 600,-.............

Wow amazing that watch is older than me and still looking good. Never heard of Koninklijke Begeer but seems to be the predecessor of Schaap & Citroen :)

[bazin]

Originally Posted by Yellowcard

Wow amazing that watch is older than me and still looking good. Never heard of Koninklijke Begeer but seems to be the predecessor of Schaap & Citroen :)

Up till 2 years ago I did wear it daily, since then I also have a 16610LV.........
There is no (historic etc.) connection between Kon. Begeer and Schaap & Citroen; 2 different entities; they were "competitors".

Koninklijke Begeer B.V.-Voorschoten was van 1960-2008 een dochteronderneming van N.V. Koninklijke Kempen en Begeer-Voorschoten/Zoetermeer.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koninkl...pen_%26_Begeer
http://website.rkd.nl/Projecten/crva...-meyjes-ws.pdf
mvg, Rudolph

[Yellowcard]

Nice piece of history. I'm still young for a Rolex wearer but my old man thinks when i get old and grey i should not wear a sportsmodel and probably end up with a datejust like him :) I hope the 16610LV still looks good on me when i'm old.....

[bazin]

Originally Posted by Yellowcard

I hope the 16610LV still looks good on me when i'm old.....

I think yes if you are not to rough with the watch; I was 35 years old when I purchased my 1675; now I am nearly 70 years old; the watch is still in very good condition; running for 289.080 hours already (without any repair) and both this watch and the 16610LV are for my son once..........

[LA_LEC]

Originally Posted by Yellowcard

Nice piece of history. I'm still young for a Rolex wearer but my old man thinks when i get old and grey i should not wear a sportsmodel and probably end up with a datejust like him :) I hope the 16610LV still looks good on me when i'm old.....

You are never too old for a sports model...age is only an attitude!

If you have the right attitude then it looks just as fine on anyone 18 to 80.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Kanger

Any LV with stickers on NOS is rare. Whoever just bought that BNIB Z for 7k just stole it; that was a wonderful set.

I just bought a brand new "V" with the stickers still on it and all the trimmings for less than $7,000 at a grey dealer in Japan. He said it was the last one they had in their 7 store inventory.

[mlotus95]

i will have one at some point.