Who told you the SD4K can't be formal?...

[Heo2]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Strictly speaking one does not wear a wrist watch at formal occassions where black or white tie is the dress code.

You either wear a pocket watch or no watch at all.

I'm throwing the BS flag. As a grandson of a tailor and one who has never been acused of being improperly dressed for any occasion, I never heard that before.

We all know what is and is not a dress watch but the Rolex Sub has crept into the dress watch status due to pop culture. And this is not a bad thing for fans of the Sub.

[Mick P]

Originally Posted by El Cascarrabias

Mick, my left wrist is not tanned under my watch. Exposing it looks . . . well nekkid!

May I suggest that you purchase a mini sun lamp.

[Muzz]

Originally Posted by Tools

Great looking watch, but no, it's not formal..

+1 in my books

[Singslinger]

Looks like a great match!

[Touring]

Originally Posted by Heo2

I'm throwing the BS flag. As a grandson of a tailor and one who has never been acused of being improperly dressed for any occasion, I never heard that before.

We all know what is and is not a dress watch but the Rolex Sub has crept into the dress watch status due to pop culture. And this is not a bad thing for fans of the Sub.

Sorry, but Mick P is correct. When in formal wear (e.g. white tie, morning dress), the convention is not to wear a time piece on the wrist; pocket watches are acceptable. Even in semi-formal wear (e.g. black tie), the same applies,

A suit is casual - not formal or semi-formal - so wear whatever you want, whether it'd be a Timex, Sub, or Patek.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by Touring

Sorry, but Mick P is correct. When in formal wear (e.g. white tie, morning dress), the convention is not to wear a time piece on the wrist; pocket watches are acceptable. Even in semi-formal wear (e.g. black tie), the same applies,

A suit is casual - not formal or semi-formal - so wear whatever you want, whether it'd be a Timex, Sub, or Patek.

Indeed, the lounge suit derives from Edwardian weekend wear. It was the Duke of Windsor who, as Prince of Wales, made them acceptable for daily wear.

[gerryb92]

Lots of cringe in this thread.

[Mak2013]

in America...anything goes. No worries there.

Any where else in the world, particularly Europe, it would be very vulgar to wear large and heavy diver watch on your wrist with a black tie dress code.

People would think of you.....as a doucbebag pretty much.

That's why I love America...No body gives a crap. Its not known to be an example of style and fashion.
You could wear a clock around your neck like Flava Flave, and no one would pay attention to you .

[CabbageHead]

Does this mean that the tuxedo dial Datejust is the ROLEX equivalent of a tuxedo t-shirt?

[AzHadEnuf]

Originally Posted by Mak2013

in America...anything goes. No worries there.

Any where else in the world, particularly Europe, it would be very vulgar to wear large and heavy diver watch on your wrist with a black tie dress code.

People would think of you.....as a doucbebag pretty much.

That's why I love America...No body gives a crap. Its not known to be an example of style and fashion.
You could wear a clock around your neck like Flava Flave, and no one would pay attention to you .

Again, it has nothing to do with style and fashion. It's about bad etiquette and poor manners. It's not about tuxedos and dive watches. It's about wearing any watch with a tux, be it a PP,AP,ALS all with gold cases and shinny black leather straps, it's about not wearing a watch with a tux.

For those who argue that good etiquette is old fashion and no longer applies, please enjoy your next formal, black tie event, while your wife is picking her nose and farting at the dinner table. Thank god we are in America and no one will give a crap.

[Heo2]

Formal wear or work wear. What could be more passe than a pocket watch.

[Speed]

An automatic wrist watch?

[douglasf13]

Considering the Prince wears his Omega with a tux, and I never plan on being more formal than royalty, I think I'd be fine wearing my Sub with just about anything.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Considering the Prince wears his Omega with a tux, and I never plan on being more formal than royalty, I think I'd be fine wearing my Sub with just about anything.

It's a flaunting of the rules that is okay in his case because of the sentimental value and the fact that he is otherwise impeccably dressed, like Gianni Agnelli's PloProf in that respect.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by Scholar

It's a flaunting of the rules that is okay in his case because of the sentimental value and the fact that he is otherwise impeccably dressed, like Gianni Agnelli's PloProf in that respect.

Prince Harry also does it with a less sentimental Explorer II Polar, and, of course, zillions of non-royal celebrities do it, too. I won't speak to white tie, but a Rolex with black tie has certainly become socially acceptable, IMO.

[watchwatcher]

Nice.

[busytimmy]

Great thread doe

[douglasf13]

I love that while bouncing forth between this forum and a tech blog, I just figured out the perfect companion for a Rolex. The Suitsy!

https://www.betabrand.com/mens-busin...ie-hybrid.html

[Heo2]

Thanks for posting pix of the princes. I feel vindicated...and properly dressed

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by Heo2

Thanks for posting pix of the princes. I feel vindicated...and properly dressed

It looks like their father has a watch on under his cuff that is of decent thickness, but I'm not sure what it is.




edit: Actually, it's likely the 40mm Chopard L.U.C. Tonneau Prince Charles XL, which is a dressier watch.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Prince Harry also does it with a less sentimental Explorer II Polar, and, of course, zillions of non-royal celebrities do it, too. I won't speak to white tie, but a Rolex with black tie has certainly become socially acceptable, IMO.

In a photo with an unbuttoned double-breasted dinner jacket, so the watch isn't the only tradition being flaunted.

In any case, flexibility with these things is certainly there. All I'm saying is that the SD (though the sleekest current Sub) is not formal, per se.

[domrusso10]

Very nice


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Scholar

It's a flaunting of the rules that is okay in his case because of the sentimental value and the fact that he is otherwise impeccably dressed, like Gianni Agnelli's PloProf in that respect.

Originally Posted by Scholar

In a photo with an unbuttoned double-breasted dinner jacket, so the watch isn't the only tradition being flaunted.

In any case, flexibility with these things is certainly there. All I'm saying is that the SD (though the sleekest current Sub) is not formal, per se.

It's flout, not flaunt. A common error

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It's flout, not flaunt. A common error

Indeed– flaunting being quite the opposite! My phone's doing, in this case, but I ought to double check next time.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Scholar

Indeed– flaunting being quite the opposite! My phone's doing, in this case, but I ought to double check next time.

It's funny, here on TRF, one is positively encouraged, while the other can get you banned.

[Trouble15]

Originally Posted by superdog

Nobody

Looking good!

[CabbageHead]

Originally Posted by Scholar

... and the fact that he is otherwise impeccably dressed...

Disagree.



The jacket collar is off, even if the argument is that he his shrugging his shoulders. The sleeves of either the jacket, or the shirt, or both are wrong. A bespoke shirt shouldn't bunch and wrinkle that much either.

I looked at the other photos from this event and they confirm this. Other photos of him in a tuxedo usually show better fitting jackets, although the sleeves are often long and not fitted. I'll chalk it up to an off night. Must have.. borrowed it? errr??

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by CabbageHead

Disagree.



The jacket collar is off, even if the argument is that he his shrugging his shoulders. The sleeves of either the jacket, or the shirt, or both are wrong. A bespoke shirt shouldn't bunch and wrinkle that much either.

I looked at the other photos from this event and they confirm this. Other photos of him in a tuxedo usually show better fitting jackets, although the sleeves are often long and not fitted. I'll chalk it up to an off night. Must have.. borrowed it? errr??

I'm speaking of his wardrobe more generally, hence the comparison with Gianni Agnelli.

That dinner jacket is definitely disastrous– some sort of borrowed thing does seem likely, considering that though unfortunately he is not in bespoke as often as he should be, his usual dinner jackets certainly are and his non-bespoke items are made to measure from Turnbull and Asser, which ought to fit better than that.

[CabbageHead]

Originally Posted by Scholar

I'm speaking of his wardrobe more generally, hence the comparison with Gianni Agnelli.

That dinner jacket is definitely disastrous– some sort of borrowed thing does seem likely, considering that though unfortunately he is not in bespoke as often as he should be, his usual dinner jackets certainly are and his non-bespoke items are made to measure from Turnbull and Asser, which ought to fit better than that.

[Mick P]

Chaps

It is a long held tradition that the Heirs to the English throne are expected to flout tradition and etiquette in order to set the style for their own reign.

It is perfectly acceptable to wear a slim gold watch with a strap as shown by Prince Charles. His two sons are pushing the boundaries even further but the golden rule remains that their loyal subjects still conform to the dress conventions whilst the Heir Apparent flouts it.

So to repeat, if you wish to be "one of the boys" or "in the club", you only wear either no watch, a pocket watch or a slim gold watch with a shiny black strap if you are invited to a truly formal event after 6.00pm.

Those are the unwritten rules and a gentleman is expected to silently comply. If you break the rule, nothing will be said but you are unlikely to receive another invitation because you "are not one of us"

So the SD4 stays home whilst the Duke of Cambridge wears his Omega and Prince Harry wears his Explorer 2.

Regards

Mick